Post-Game Talk: Dirty Booins take it in OT!

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The hate for Matheson is irrational.

It is a joke.....you just knew that the usual perps were racing to the keyboard to blame their whipping boy even though anyone with a modicum of IQ knew that he wasn't the problem. The second that Caufield moved up the game was over. People on this board are playing checkers and are yelling at the chess moves that they don't understand.
 

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Until this year, he's looked like a lot more than a 30 goal scorer. I don't think it's fair to judge his goal scoring during a season where his shot is clearly off after shoulder surgery. A lot of chances that would have gone in in the past have been off for him this year.
I don't believe it's a shoulder issue. He's getting much more attention from opposing teams and he is struggling. There is less space for him in the offensive zone.
 

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Matheson was trying to catch the Bruins off guard…
Apart of being a good hockey player is knowing your limitations. The dude late in the third had the puck behind his net, tried to break out and got stripped. Not the first time. He should never try to carry the puck no matter the situation on 3 v 3. And then he expects his forwards to bail him out. Suzuki should've never been in that situation where he was so deep out of the zone the camera couldn't see him on screen when the Bruins gained possession
 

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It is a joke.....you just knew that the usual perps were racing to the keyboard to blame their whipping boy even though anyone with a modicum of IQ knew that he wasn't the problem. The second that Caufield moved up the game was over. People on this board are playing checkers and are yelling at the chess moves that they don't understand.
I hear ya. When i saw CC attack the scrum from down low, i was like... WTF dude.

Anyone who blames Matheson on that goal believes that the forwards have no defensive responsibility when playing 3 on 3. Which is wrong. 3 on 3 is about exploitation. The Bruins exploited CC's bonehead play.
 

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Arizona wins and Ottawa and Columbus give each an additional point. This is loss is probably for the best. I'm not usually a cheer for the tank kind of guy but when the season is lost and we're this close to sinking into the top 5 you kind of just have to hope for the worst..
 

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I don't believe it's a shoulder issue. He's getting much more attention from opposing teams and he is struggling. There is less space for him in the offensive zone.
The plays dying on that left side exceed the plays that die on the right side yet we continually defer to the left side.
You have to be somewhat subjective not to see it though.
 
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I hear ya. When i saw CC attack the scrum from down low, i was like... WTF dude.

Anyone who blames Matheson on that goal believes that the forwards have no defensive responsibility when playing 3 on 3. Which is wrong. 3 on 3 is about exploitation. The Bruins exploited CC's bonehead play.
Suzuki was already so far out of the zone you couldn't see him. I'm not saying Caufield made the right decision but Matheson made the worst decision on the play.
 

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Until this year, he's looked like a lot more than a 30 goal scorer. I don't think it's fair to judge his goal scoring during a season where his shot is clearly off after shoulder surgery. A lot of chances that would have gone in in the past have been off for him this year.
Not worried about Cole either. That being said, he needs to score considerably more than he has this season. We aren’t paying him nearly 8 million to be more well rounded at the cost of his goalscoring. Even if he will be a 65 point scorer per season, he’s gotta score around 40.
 

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Suzuki was already so far out of the zone you couldn't see him. I'm not saying Caufield made the right decision but Matheson made the worst decision on the play.
Caufield's decision directly led to the goal against. Matheson tried a play that didn't work. That never should have resulted in a 2 on 1 the other way. That's unacceptable for a 2 on 1 to happen when Matheson is in a battle with 2 Bruins in the corner.
 

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The plays dying on that left say exceed the plays that die on the right side yet we continually defer to the left side.
You have to be somewhat subjective not to see it though.
This is more of a problem of how they use Caufield. Dude is too pick dominant even though he's not. What I mean is he has the play F3 all the time. Fly the zone and look for open space. Not try to cycle. I suspect as Slaf gets more confident, Caufield will look so much better. Just look at last year when he had Dach and Suzuki. He was able to play more natural to himself as Dach is very puck dominant
 

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Disagree on both counts.

He's literally the highest scoring player in the league his age... And this during a season that he'd likely be the first to say has been disappointing.

We'll see what's to come, but imo the question is not if he will continue to improve, but how much.

He's a 25ish goal scorer in his 21/22 & 22/23 year old seasons... On one of the worst offensive teams in the league.

The team around him improving, as it will, the next 3-5 years, is easily enough to push him over 30g without improvement on his end. Kid is hungry, dedicated and just scratching at his full NHL potential. I'd be surprised if he's not averaging 40+ (injury adjusted) goals a year in his 25-30 seasons
I don't see it so we will have to agree to disagree. He is a tiny player, probably the smallest forward in the league. Teams are using it against him, they aren't giving him that extra second to shoot as they used to and he can't create his own space because of the size issue. Many posters here predicted a 50-goal scorer but I saw 30-ish goals.
 
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Apart of being a good hockey player is knowing your limitations. The dude late in the third had the puck behind his net, tried to break out and got stripped. Not the first time. He should never try to carry the puck no matter the situation on 3 v 3. And then he expects his forwards to bail him out. Suzuki should've never been in that situation where he was so deep out of the zone the camera couldn't see him on screen when the Bruins gained possession
Shhhhh! But it was Caufield's fault that Matheson pulled his usual boneheaded play and gave up the puck :sarcasm:
 

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This is more of a problem of how they use Caufield. Dude is too pick dominant even though he's not. What I mean is he has the play F3 all the time. Fly the zone and look for open space. Not try to cycle. I suspect as Slaf gets more confident, Caufield will look so much better. Just look at last year when he had Dach and Suzuki. He was able to play more natural to himself as Dach is very puck dominant
He's not a great fit with Suzuki if Nick is going to be tasked with shutdown and will be playing that 3F by default.
Considering we don't have a Danault on our team we haven't got another option.
I'd flip Cole with Joshua as an experiment.
 

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Apart of being a good hockey player is knowing your limitations. The dude late in the third had the puck behind his net, tried to break out and got stripped. Not the first time. He should never try to carry the puck no matter the situation on 3 v 3. And then he expects his forwards to bail him out. Suzuki should've never been in that situation where he was so deep out of the zone the camera couldn't see him on screen when the Bruins gained possession

It wasn't the first time Matheson was cavalier in his attempt to carry the puck in OT, and as such Caufield should have know better to begin with.
I'm not even mad at CC decision to pinch here, because let's face it 3v3 is still the dumbest thing in hockey and the Habs aren't playing for anything worth mentioning.

But CC went "sur le boutte de la palette" on this, and you can't do that. He took himself out of the play the moment he whiffed on the puck.
 
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I’m going to say that it was a pretty good, great effort vs. a pretty good team. For everyone bitching about Armia this is the kind of game you see him step up and he has been playing well pretty much all year even when less noticeable he doesn’t hurt the team and make a lot of small play… If the puck doesn’t jump off is stick Matheson able to cut to the net one on one vs. the goalie. Also he might lose the puck he is playing 30min a game the good heavily outweigh the bad + it is CC fishing expedition that is costing that goal not Matheson… it suck to lose but the ref were pretty bad + if you add Dach and Dvorak to this line up we probably win this game and many more close game that we have this year. Thing are looking up.
 
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He's not a great fit with Suzuki if Nick is going to be tasked with shutdown and will be playing that 3F by default.
Considering we don't have a Danault on our team we haven't got another option.
Not necessarily. One of my biggest gripes about the 2021 playoffs and the Canadiens in general that year was putting too much emphasis on forwards for break outs. This is alien to most Habs fans as price broke out half the plays most of the game which is why they averaged a goal more when he was in net. Suzuki shouldn't have to always be deep in the zone. That's a sign that either your defence is crap or your defensive coach is crap and can't scheme defensive plays. Yes he'll be low on the zone but it's not so low that he can't make it in transition. Also I have no problem with Caufield carrying through the neutral zone sometimes. I was talking in respects to o zone cycling mostly which both Dach and Suzuki are proficient in and Caufield not so much
 

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It wasn't the first time Matheson was cavalier in his attempt to carry the puck in OT, and as such Caufield should have know better to begin with.
I'm not even mad at CC decision to pinch here, because let's face it 3v3 is still the dumbest thing in hockey and the Habs aren't playing for anything worth mentioning.

But CC went "sur le boutte de la palette" on this, and you can't do that. He took himself out of the play the moment he whiffed on the puck.
I didn't like the 1v3 at all.
At least with a 1v2 you only have to beat one player to set up a possible play.
 

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