thedustman
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last year Schwartz and Tarasenko weren't the players they are this year. MPS better be in our lineup for the playoffs though. THroughout this scoring slump, he and Berglund have looked strong
i think that people are expecting a lot out of a goalie that joined a new team and system at the tail-end of the season. bouwmeester sucked ass last year and now people think he's better than pietrangelo.I just personally have never seen Miller as an Elite goalie. Okay I take that back the season in 09-10 I did see him as an Elite goalie.
I don't think Bouwmeester has ever sucked.i think that people are expecting a lot out of a goalie that joined a new team and system at the tail-end of the season. bouwmeester sucked ass last year and now people think he's better than pietrangelo.
It's just I've noticed a big difference in your posts over the past few months than your traditional style since we've been active. Maybe it's nothing, but I've definitely noticed it.
i think that people are expecting a lot out of a goalie that joined a new team and system at the tail-end of the season. bouwmeester sucked ass last year and now people think he's better than pietrangelo.
People did last year, and were sour about the trade. Wanted a better defenseman than Jay Bouwmeester. Now people love him, and I'm even getting challenged about what can actually be searched for on this forum (it's in the Kings CQF GDTs). (edit: sorry if this came off as dickish, the only post i knew offhand was from P9 and i don't think that counts)I don't think Bouwmeester has ever sucked.
ok ok ok i would say that i don't think bouwmeester sucked ass but he didn't click off the bat and people jumped ship on the trade. even pang and kelly had to explain he wasstill developing chemistry with pietrangelo, which was still kind of going on this season.Neither of those are true.
Pie is not playing this season to where I thought he would be. I felt his offensive numbers would be higher honestly. Overall, I feel Jaybo is our best D man in truth.
Oh when the trade was announced some people were mad but that's because there were false stereotypes about him. From the minute he put on a Blues sweater he has played great. I don't think anyone ever thought he "sucked ass" for us. The people that were against the trade admitted they were wrong because he turned out to be a good fit. I seriously don't remember anyone being unhappy with his play at all.People did last year, and were sour about the trade. Wanted a better defenseman than Jay Bouwmeester. Now people love him, and I'm even getting challenged about what can actually be searched for on this forum (it's in the Kings CQF GDTs). (edit: sorry if this came off as dickish, the only post i knew offhand was from P9 and i don't think that counts)
double blam!I seriously don't remember anyone being unhappy with his play at all.
He just is mad that we traded for Miller because he wanted a top 6 center or scoring help in general instead.
Miller is for sure an elite goalie. We all saw that when he arrived and this team went like 9-0-1 when he first came. It was clear we could win big with him In net.
The issue has been the scoring and lack of motivation, not miller or the defense. People who think miller isn't a stud goalie makes no sense to me.
It's not like this team would be any better with a Vanek or spezza or Kesler. I mean then this team wouldn't have much goaltending. Defense wins championships and getting miller helps that cause.
Miller is a very good goalie. Is he good enough to justify what we gave up for him? We won't know that until the playoffs. Spezza, Kesler or Vanek would absolutely make this team better. How anybody could argue otherwise is beyond me. We're built on defense but if you can't score you won't win. We lost last year because we couldn't score, not because we couldn't keep the puck out of our own net. And now we've seen a very concerning lack of offense the last month or so.
I agree.
But would Vanek/Kesler/Spezza be Better with Halak and Stewart or is It better with Miller and Ott?
It's a tough question.
I honestly think no one expected that. No one came to the auction because the reserve was to high. Then NYI panic and took what offer was out there. Spezza and Kesler I would assume we're simply to expensive. I give army the benefit of the doubt....no one was truly available to fit our needs. Gabrorik maybe, But that's a gamble with injures.Personally, trading for Vanek and running with Halak/Elliott would have been my preferred route. I admit that Miller is better, but I don't think he's enough of an upgrade for it to have been worth what we gave up. I believe we are good enough defensively to win with Elliott or Halak. Vanek solved an immediate need, which was scoring. I know I've been clamoring for a center, but Vanek went for so cheap that I can't understand why we weren't in on him.
I honestly think no one expected that. No one came to the auction because the reserve was to high. Then NYI panic and took what offer was out there. Spezza and Kesler I would assume we're simply to expensive. I give army the benefit of the doubt....no one was truly available to fit our needs. Gabrorik maybe, But that's a gamble with injures.
That's true. But with tarasenko filling the right wing, we didn't need him till the obvious injury set back. I don't watch Vanek but I was always under the impression he was a consistent scoring Chris Stewart. Doesn't do much for defense, if that's true, I can see the lack of desire for him on the bottom 6If Armstrong didn't at least kick the tires on Vanek because he thought the reserve was too high then he made a mistake. You lose nothing by kicking the tires. Worst case scenario the price is too high and you walk away. But you could get lucky. You won't know unless you at least try.
I honestly think no one expected that. No one came to the auction because the reserve was to high. Then NYI panic and took what offer was out there. Spezza and Kesler I would assume we're simply to expensive. I give army the benefit of the doubt....no one was truly available to fit our needs. Gabrorik maybe, But that's a gamble with injures.
That's true. But with tarasenko filling the right wing, we didn't need him till the obvious injury set back. I don't watch Vanek but I was always under the impression he was a consistent scoring Chris Stewart. Doesn't do much for defense, if that's true, I can see the lack of desire for him on the bottom 6
If Armstrong didn't at least kick the tires on Vanek because he thought the reserve was too high then he made a mistake. You lose nothing by kicking the tires. Worst case scenario the price is too high and you walk away. But you could get lucky. You won't know unless you at least try.
I was saying I think we should have been in on Vanek rather than Miller or Ott. I just didn't see Miller as enough of an upgrade to justify what we gave up. But the true determination of that can't be made until we see how the playoffs go. I realize that every situation is fluid, which is why the GM needs to make it known that he's still interested. Keep in mind, we were out on Bouwmeester until all of the sudden we weren't. I know that was a special situation, but it's a perfect example of keeping the lines of communication open.Armstrong may have checked into it. I remember in the week leading up to the TDL, that NYI had turned down a very good offer because snow wanted to wait. Who knows what was offered and how it compared to Miller. For playoff reasons - adding a center was more important then adding Vanek. At the time we made a move for Ott - the asking spice was likely much higher. And after we pick up Ott/Miller - there is NO WAY to move additional picks for Vanek.
To me it is simply this: I think Armstrong overpaid for Miller and Ott - but he also made the first move. That is the problem with making the first move, but the other side of the coin is: you may wind up not getting your guy
I would prefer to add a solid Center (Ott - the only other center that was moved was Legwand) and a upgrade in net - then Vanek. I guess I view it as adding two pieces that are needed then a luxury. Keep in mind that up to VT's injury the team was scoring at a high clip. There is no way to see the future or guess that VT would be out or miss time with an injury. The PP was clicking and dangerous. Now it is not so much.