CantHaveTkachev
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getting traded to a President's Trophy winner, then doing nothing in the finals isn't the flex you think it is
Did Matthew Tkachuk's selfishness cost team USA?
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No question. His staged fight did little to change my opinion he is a selfish coward on the ice. Brady on the other hand is the perfect hockey player.
featherhawk
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makes zero sense to have Kyle Connor on the bench and Krieder/Tkachuk playing while sick or injured...
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GreatSaveEssensa
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Guess who else is also really really fast, probably faster? Kyle Connor. Oh ya, he’s also 4th in the NHL in goals and 6th in points. And they scratched him for 6 minutes of Tkachuk and old man Kreider. Make it make sense.
Fatass
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Quinn Hughes was a big loss for the US. He’s like Makar is for Canada. And clearly Makar was a difference maker in the Canada win.
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I mean, it's hard not to think he put himself above the team with how unfit he was to play. He knows his body better than anyone, but the optics of him missing this game due to injury seemed to be too big a blow to the ego.
dirtydanglez
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he let his ego get in the way. just sit it out and let connor play.
Peiskos
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All I know is that planning multiple fights from the start of the game in a team group chat is so incredibly immature and childish, it has no place in international hockey. Can't believe the Americans did that. Major cringe.
Fatass
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Both a Tkatchuk boys are excellent players. They are throwback players to an era gone by.
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The major cringe is finding a way to take offense to what gave the entire tournament momentum and sparked one of the more entertaining games we have had the pleasure of watching in some time.
That game had constant adrenaline, physicality, and commitment by all players, all game. I cannot imagine being outraged by this.
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Matthews had no reason to chase after Marner, who was in the corner along the boards. Especially at the cost of leaving the best player in the world all alone in the slot. Marner was not in a dangerous scoring position at all, so why the need to go to him? McDavid on the other hand was in a prime position to score and did. Matthews messed up and it wasn't because if Fox.
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It just seems very un-Canadian to me to plan fights in a group chat, let them fight organically, but to plan it in a chat like some high schoolers? yikes.
Fatass
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Fighting makes hockey better. The IIHF needs to change their rules about fighting to be the same as the NHL. Alpha males scrap. The players are Alpha. Let them go at it.
"Wants to play" is very different from actually playing if clearly unable. Cost his team dearly.
Playing hurt vs injured.
Even Bergeron was not going to play that game 7 after the punctured lung etc.
dirtydanglez
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makar wasnt even 100%. not sure quinn would have thrived in a very physical game like that, just look at jack. still a big loss though.
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Are you sure about that? Right before the last NHL games there was a thread on here about how John Hynes is a good coach lol.
I don’t understand how David Quinn was on this staff or any NHL staff anymore. He shouldn’t be coaching anywhere higher than the collegiate level. MAYBE the AHL.
It’s hilarious that a coach who was already 50-something years old when he got his first NHL gig (technically he was an NHL assistant for a season in his 40s before that) is still a hot commodity for even an assistant job after how horrible his two head coaching stints went. If he were a younger guy still then I could understand the fascination, but he’s not.
I guess that was Sullivan’s doing, as he’s the assistant to him in Pittsburgh.
And Sullivan is lousy anymore. Coasting on a reputation that’s becoming dated.
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Cool. Selke voting might disagree with what you are calling narrative. You obviously don't watch Matthews a lot of you question his hockey IQ.
Also cool that the guy leading the league in primary assists that has the puck in the offensive zone with time and space is not a threat.
You seem to think you know a lot about hockey. Do you think Fox played the final goal correctly? You haven't mentioned him at all here.
Obviously, you can't say Matthews played it right. Canada scored. If Fox plays it properly are we having this discussion?
Divine
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Maybe if you're playing for your club team and you scratch the 4th line enforcer that you can outplay at 20%.
The problem is this was the best players in America and they scratched their leading goal scorer (Kyle Connor) so Tkachuk can show up at 20%. He basically had a negative impact this game.
Do you think a healthy Kyle Connor could have been more impactful than whatever Tkachuk was doing? To add insult to injury, he made them play with 11 forwards because he wouldn't let them take him out of the game for Kyle Connor before the game and just rode the bench half the game.
Yeah neither is Mcdavid being useless in the finals but I’m not crying about that am I?
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Well there's levels, right? Plenty of players on both teams were banged up, some more than others. But even with that, they were able to play, and in most cases, contribute positively.
Tkachuk literally couldn't even get on the ice. There has to be some nuance here in how we interpret the nobleness of playing injured.
Matthews has excellent offensive IQ. He’s in the top echelon when it comes to that. His defensive IQ, position, and effort is lackadaisical and there are plenty of examples of this. He just isn’t a “great” defensive player. Hes not bad at all, but he’s not in the upper tier. Marner was a threat to pass, not drive the net. Matthews played that terribly. Marner had no option BUT the pass. Fox didn’t play that well but Matthews doubled down and failed miserably. I can’t even understand what he was going to do for. He got out of position to guard no one. He didn’t even double Marner, he just was in a dead zone doing nothing. I’m not absolving Fox, he played that bad.
CantHaveTkachev
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I mean, he was the reason it went 7 with his legendary Game 5 performance
then followed it up with a legendary goal in OT to beat Tkachuk and the US again
I respect Tkachuk's willingness to try and battle through an injury to play for his country.
What cost us was Auston Matthews leaving the center of the ice in the defensive zone to go attack a player who is standing in the corner on the goal line. You wouldn't see guys in the ECHL make that bone-headed of a play. He owes each and every American an individual apology.
What cost us was Auston Matthews leaving the center of the ice in the defensive zone to go attack a player who is standing in the corner on the goal line. You wouldn't see guys in the ECHL make that bone-headed of a play. He owes each and every American an individual apology.
