Did including Toews into Top 100 Players instead of Malkin age well?

[mouser]

The NHL 100 was an awful attempt to mix historical players careers with “what have you done for me lately”.

And it’s perfectly understandable how the voting ended up the way it did when you look at the list of people who were given ballots.

 

[MXD]

The NHL 100 was an awful attempt to mix historical players careers with “what have you done for me lately”.

And it’s perfectly understandable how the voting ended up the way it did when you look at the list of people who were given ballots.

Yup.
People are rightfully calling out Toews' relevance on this list... But he's not the worse player on it; it just happens that he's the worse ACTIVE player on it, and that there's an active player who is actually better than Toews (and easily comparable to -- you can probably make a point that Lundqvist has been better, but that's not really apples-to-apples).

 

[Diglett]

I'd say the bigger offence is not putting Iginla on it.

 

[Albatros]

Scott Stevens lifted three Cups as a captain. Bobby Orr never did that, so that must mean Scott Stevens is better than Bobby Orr. Gotcha.

Yes, there are reasons why Orr never wore a C. Scott Stevens absolutely was the better leader and that's what he deserves credit for.

 

[BHD]

Has Tows had a PPG season yet?

 

[Albatros]

The issue with this reasoning is that Guy Lafleur nor Gordie Howe never won the Stanley Cup as capitains.

Actually when Gordie Howe was made the captain they not only did not win the cup but missed the playoffs as well for the first time in more than 20 years.

 

[DearDiary]

The big deal isn't that Toews made the list over Malkin, it's that the media doesn't consider Malkin a top 100 player.

 

[HanSolo]

It started aging poorly the first second after the list was finalized.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Yes, there are reasons why Orr never wore a C. Scott Stevens absolutely was the better leader and that's what he deserves credit for.

But by your logic Toews is better because he’s lead 3 Stanley cup teams. So Stevens is a better player than Orr.

Toews is even better than Sakic, who only lead the Avs to 2 cups. What a bum of a player and leader, am I right?

 

[GreatGonzo]

Has Tows had a PPG season yet?

One. 2013 48 points in 47 games. He’s only had 1 PPG post season too, 2010.

That’s when they make up for it with defense and leadership.

 

[Albatros]

But by your logic Toews is better because he’s lead 3 Stanley cup teams. So Stevens is a better player than Orr.

Leading three cup-winning teams is his particular merit making him a member of a very elite dozen. Bobby Orr has great merits of his own, but as a leader and winner even he is not on par.

I'm not fundamentally opposed to the idea that Malkin might have merits of his own that warrant a place, 88th in points and multiple cups as a wingman, but there's little reason why it should be at the expense of Toews who has achieved greatness matched only by Sidney Crosby in Pittsburgh.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Leading three cup-winning teams is his particular merit making him a member of a very elite dozen. Bobby Orr has great merits of his own, but as a leader and winner even he is not on par.

I'm not fundamentally opposed to the idea that Malkin might have merits of his own that warrant a place, 88th in points and multiple cups as a wingman, but there's little reason why it should be at the expense of Toews who has achieved greatness matched only by Sidney Crosby in Pittsburgh.

Leadership isn’t a skill and can’t be measured or used to hold any value. Plenty of Captains have lead their teams to cups that weren’t held in higher regard because of it.

It’s juts a narrative created to make Toews appear superior to others. They say “leading” a team to 3 cups should signify something valuable and impactful but it’s just a letter on a jersey that people like you overrate and confuse as a trophy that separates you from others on those cup winning teams. Toews leadership was never the difference maker, or the deciding factor. Sorry to burst your fanboy bubble.

Malkin is a superior player to Toews and has accomplished more in every way hockey related. Him not wearing a stupid letter doesn’t take away the fact that he has 3 cups and a Smythe, while being the second most dominant playoff performer of this generation. A “C” doesn’t change the fact that he has 2 scoring titles and a Hart with a Lindsay. Toews being the captain doesn’t make him better or equal, it’s only because he’s Russian and tends to be in Crosby’s shadow.

You love the agenda because it tells you what you want to hear. You put captaincy over everything because it’s the only aspect Toews has, but it means nothing. You just want it to mean something.

 

[nbwingsfan]

No, but it does mean he's been winning only as a wingman, not as the leader. Toews meanwhile is one of only a dozen people in history to do it three times as the captain.

So just by being Captain you’re the most important player on the team? Is 43yo Chara the reason the Bruins went to the finals last season?

 

[Albatros]

So just by being Captain you’re the most important player on the team? Is 43yo Chara the reason the Bruins went to the finals last season?

Chara has one cup and has certainly deserved it, I would be impressed if he can repeat the feat this season. Toews doesn't really even have to, he has his legacy already despite being so much younger.

 

[RorschachWJK]

The list was horribad. It was the moment when I realized that these so called hockey writers know and understand less about hockey than I do. Haven't read their crap ever since.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Chara has one cup and has certainly deserved it, I would be impressed if he can repeat the feat this season. Toews doesn't really even have to, he has his legacy already despite being so much younger.

Congratulations on writing so many words without even coming close to answering the question.

Was Chara the most important player on the Bruins last season because he was captain?

Was Yzerman is 2002 the best player on the Wings because he was captain?

Was Dustin Brown the most important player for the Kings in both their wins?

What about Dave Andreychuk and his one goal in the playoffs?

 

[Stubu]

What?

Simple questions please.

 

[Stubu]

The answers get complicated, as is the nature of things.

All the more reason to keep the Qs simple.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

There aren't 99 better hockey players than Malkin.

 

[traffic cone]

How did this become Malkin vs. Toews again?

Malkin absolutely should’ve been on the list. And if it was between those two then - yes - Malkin should’ve been there before Toews.

But maybe there’s someone there that’s less deserving than both Malkin and Toews. And Thornton. And Iginla.

Just a thought...

 

[ClydeLee]

How did this become Malkin vs. Toews again?

Malkin absolutely should’ve been on the list. And if it was between those two then - yes - Malkin should’ve been there before Toews.

But maybe there’s someone there that’s less deserving than both Malkin and Toews. And Thornton. And Iginla.

Just a thought...

Because nobody wants to take Dit Clapper off the list or think about the occasional misses because there are a few legit questionable guys they praised on the list because they have lots of cups

 

[Midnight Judges]

Boy, am I ever glad I'm capable of liking, respecting and admiring Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin.

Saves me a lot of grief and stress.

The guys who made the list would make precisely that same claim.

 

[Coffey]

Kris Draper-4 cups
Chris Kunitz-3 cups
Justin Williams-3 cups-Smythe

Don't forget 3 time champ Aaron Ward.

 

[NyQuil]

The guys who made the list would make precisely that same claim.

I find that hard to believe.

I think Malkin should have been in there too, as did most of HF at the time and now.

It's another one of these controversies that isn't.

Where would you have Crosby on the list, anyway?

 

[ohheyhemsky]

Say what you want about it but Joe Thornton not being there is a joke. He's 8th in assists and 14th in points all time.

Yet hasn't won anything.