Did DeBoer just fire himself with the Oettinger fiasco?

[LuGBuG]

Hes to blame for failing to get his team ready to start the game. Worst star ever that I've ever seen.

They are making millions of dollars. It’s not peewee. The players should be ready to jump out the gate no matter what in that game.

 

[PistolPete]

And who is responsible for the Dallas Stars performance in games? And did that person single out one player in a 20-man lineup?

All members of the Dallas Stars organization. After all, if it is the case that Edmonron is truly the better team, then the scouts, GM et al didn't do their job well enough to create a better team than Edmonton.

For a specific loss? The coaching staff and every player who played. And still the organization for not finding better players.

Team sports has so many variables at play for a team's success to blame just one single thing is shortsighted and shoddy analysis

 

[Fishy McScales]

All members of the Dallas Stars organization. After all, if it is the case that Edmonron is truly the better team, then the scouts, GM et al didn't do their job well enough to create a better team than Edmonton.

For a specific loss? The coaching staff and every player who played. And still the organization for not finding better players.

Team sports has so many variables at play for a team's success to blame just one single thing is shortsighted and shoddy analysis

Indeed. Yet DeBoer, as head coach, singled out one player publicly instead of taking responsibility himself and protecting the player.

 

[PistolPete]

Indeed. Yet DeBoer, as head coach, singled out one player publicly instead of taking responsibility himself and protecting the player.

That is indeed bad coaching.

Players always respect those who have their backs. That says a lot about Deborr the person.

 

[ijuka]

They are making millions of dollars. It’s not peewee. The players should be ready to jump out the gate no matter what in that game.

This one is a bit weird, yeah. Why is it on the coach to get the players "ready to play"? The coach should worry about strategy. The players should independently be ready to play, every single time.

The job is coach. Not babysitter.

 

[mickymack]

Can't see DeBoer and Oettinger continue. Maybe both put a professional image saying to move on; but management wise you know they're done.

It was clearly personal on the part of DeBoer. Many chances to do beforehand, and mess on bench and actual change has to be intensional. Doesnt make sense to panic after 2.. Then throwing under the bus when coach should have taken responsibility at that conference no matter what. Even at 100% player fault I expect coach to take it at that point.

Management needs to decide now who goes really. If Oettinger during off season (but not publise now)

Or fire Deboer now before Oettinger even asks. Personally I'd fire him tomorrow and in media conference say Deboer has lost 6 conference finals in a row.

One, DeBoer deserves such treatment for not taking g responsibility and throwing Oettinger under the bus. Most importantly makes clear to Oettinger we're backing you; and that seen by wider team as well. Doing it immediately drivers that home even harder

You can say; do you have better option then DeBoer. Doesn't really because at this point he is no longer an option, and I'd take Oettinger. Likely DeBoer has lost rest of team now anyway, even if Oettinger is moved.

 

[Fatass]

All members of the Dallas Stars organization. After all, if it is the case that Edmonron is truly the better team, then the scouts, GM et al didn't do their job well enough to create a better team than Edmonton.

For a specific loss? The coaching staff and every player who played. And still the organization for not finding better players.

Team sports has so many variables at play for a team's success to blame just one single thing is shortsighted and shoddy analysis

Yup. Not Otters fault. The top Dallas players got crushed by the Oilers. Did even one Dallas player have a decent series?

 

[Jerkob Rantanen]

I Looked at Carolinas roster (stats page) and Dallas, I didn't realize Carolina didnt even have a good team on paper. LIke player for player, Canucks have a stronger team, but we still suck shit, and Carolina won 9 playoff games. more then 28 other teams. Hockey is quite amazing sometimes.

Any Canes fan would tell you this was transition year for us. About a quarter of our roster was rookies. That’s why we’re laughing at all of the “fire Rod the fraud” hot takes.

No other coach gets THAT roster to the ECF.

Our core is locked and our youth will develop. Our window is wide open again.

 

[PistolPete]

Yup. Not Otters fault. The top Dallas players got crushed by the Oilers. Did even one Dallas player have a decent series?

Robertson had 4 goals and 5 points

Mikko Rantanen had 3 assists

 

[Czechboy]

You seriously going to argue if the teams switched goalies the series is more competitive? Oilers would have swept the Stars.

I seriously didn't even suggest a goalie swap.
I stated a fact. Stu has outplayed Oettinger in back to back playoffs. Ott is 1 win and 6 losses. His stats are well below his average. Stus average on those games is well above his average.

 

[Miller Time]

Would've been/ would be awesome for Otter to mention DeBoer's track record of WCF failure in response to questions about his stupid post game comments...

“I don't blame it all on Pete, but the reality is if you go back the past 7 years, he's lost 6x in the WCF,” Otter said. “pretty clear that the status quo has not been working. That’s a pretty big sample size.”

Would be epic mic drop... Even better than Roy's bench walk past Tremblay lol

 

[Czechboy]

Would've been/ would be awesome for Otter to mention DeBoer's track record of WCF failure in response to questions about his stupid post game comments...

“I don't blame it all on Pete, but the reality is if you go back the past 7 years, he's lost 6x in the WCF,” Otter said. “pretty clear that the status quo has not been working. That’s a pretty big sample size.”

Would be epic mic drop... Even better than Roy's bench walk past Tremblay lol

That would be amazing. Then a livecam from the GMs office to see if they trade ott or fire Pete lol

 

[Sentinel]

And who is responsible for the Dallas Stars performance in games? And did that person single out one player in a 20-man lineup?

I'd blame Oettinger before DeBoer. He simply was not making the saves when his team needed him to.

 

[Fatass]

I'd blame Oettinger before DeBoer. He simply was not making the saves when his team needed him to.

The Stars’ players were are dashes. That’s not solely on the goalie. Skinner is the goalie at the other end. The Stars made him look like the Conn Smythe favourite.

 

[Fishy McScales]

I'd blame Oettinger before DeBoer. He simply was not making the saves when his team needed him to.

The skaters also couldn't even get halfway to double-digit shots on goal in third periods most of the time.

 

[Sentinel]

The skaters also couldn't even get halfway to double-digit shots on goal in third periods most of the time.

That's on the forwards, not the coach. I don't think DeBoer told them not to shoot.

 

[Rcknrollkillnmachine]

De Boer is a bridesmaid of his own doing. Cup winning coaches find a way and he's had six attempts and constantly fallen flat.

This isn't quite Roy in Montreal situation with Otts but surely De Boer is out or his seat is very warm next season for the first quarter of the season as I reckon the players cannot be impressed with his handling of Dallas' conference final and exit.

 

[tp71]

The skaters also couldn't even get halfway to double-digit shots on goal in third periods most of the time.

Thats such a pedestrian way to look at it. Shots on goal don't tell the story of the chances. If a goalie has 10 shots, lets in four, but all of them are 2 on 0s (unlikely I know), is it the goalies fault? Well he let in 4 goals on 10 shots!

Doesn't tell the whole story.

 

[Czechboy]

I'd blame Oettinger before DeBoer. He simply was not making the saves when his team needed him to.

See and I'd trade ott for Stu right now and ride ott in the final.

To my eye.. our forwards, especially McDrai, had way too much space and freedom.

And a lot of games, Dallas just didn't generate much in third periods. It shocked the hell out of me to be honest.

 

[Fishy McScales]

Thats such a pedestrian way to look at it. Shots on goal don't tell the story of the chances. If a goalie has 10 shots, lets in four, but all of them are 2 on 0s (unlikely I know), is it the goalies fault? Well he let in 4 goals on 10 shots!

Doesn't tell the whole story.

My point is the offence was stifled, but the coach, whose job it is to find a way through the opponent's system, chose to blame his goalie for losing 6 of 7 instead.

 

[Fishy McScales]

That's on the forwards, not the coach. I don't think DeBoer told them not to shoot.

So why didn't he blame the forwards then?

 

[TheBeard]

My point is the offence was stifled, but the coach, whose job it is to find a way through the opponent's system, chose to blame his goalie for losing 6 of 7 instead.

The entire group scored two goals in 3 straight losses to go from being up 1-0 to down 3-1 yet the series ended because of Oettinger apparently. Last year, the stars scored four goals in the final 3 games (all losses) in their series as well.

The problem is the system. They simply can’t score.

 

[Oak]

The problem is the system. They simply can’t score.

Not just the system. A lot of older players who simply can't compete any more.

 

[JianYang]

Going to be awkward between those 2. He does have a point though. Classic two things can be true at same time

Ott is elite and an amazing goalie
Ott has last 6 of his last 7 games against the Oilers in playoffs and has been outplayed by skinner (who is not elite and who is not going to the Olympics)

That was, 2 years in a row, a big edge to Dallas. Twice it didn't work.

Its funny how certain teams just have a goalie's number and vise versa. Oettinger was outstanding against winnipeg, and then immediately flames out.

Its hard not to conclude that the oilers serve as some sort of mental block for him.

 

[Czechboy]

Its funny how certain teams just have a goalie's number and vise versa. Oettinger was outstanding against winnipeg, and then immediately flames out.

Its hard not to conclude that the oilers serve as some sort of mental block for him.

It makes no sense but that is the case. We are currently his kryptonite.

Weird year for USA goalies. Swayman (one of my favs) was bad, Helle (beat goalie in world IMO) is not good in playoffs and ott shits the bed in conference finals. I would kill for any of these guys to be the oilers starter.