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InGoal Radio Episode 265with Devon Levi - InGoal Magazine
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I will be listening to this this afternoon/evening.
My guess is that they are a trial set of the new CCM Eflex 7 line.old school colors. love it.
Interesting to see Buffalo ranked 11th -- are prospects becoming suspects on this team?
Even more interesting -- Corey has Levi ranked 10th, and projects him as a back-up due to his lack of athleticism and size.
10. Devon Levi, GDec. 27, 2001 | 6 feet | 192 pounds | Catches leftTier: Projected to play NHL gamesSkating: NHL averageHockey sense: Above NHL averageAnalysis: Levi had his ups and downs in his rookie pro season. He struggled in the NHL to start the year, as one would expect from a rookie, and then was very good in the AHL in the second half of the season. Levi is a super smart goalie who moves well and can make a lot of difficult stops. He has the high-end IQ to anticipate a lot of plays and squares up pucks despite his frame. He competes well and shows a good second effort. The knock on Levi is his pure athleticism. He moves well, but he’s not very big by NHL goalie standards and doesn’t have truly elite small-guy quickness. He projects as a backup goaltender.
I believe Corey has been lower on Levi than most people that look at prospects.Interesting to see Buffalo ranked 11th -- are prospects becoming suspects on this team?
Even more interesting -- Corey has Levi ranked 10th, and projects him as a back-up due to his lack of athleticism and size.
10. Devon Levi, GDec. 27, 2001 | 6 feet | 192 pounds | Catches leftTier: Projected to play NHL gamesSkating: NHL averageHockey sense: Above NHL averageAnalysis: Levi had his ups and downs in his rookie pro season. He struggled in the NHL to start the year, as one would expect from a rookie, and then was very good in the AHL in the second half of the season. Levi is a super smart goalie who moves well and can make a lot of difficult stops. He has the high-end IQ to anticipate a lot of plays and squares up pucks despite his frame. He competes well and shows a good second effort. The knock on Levi is his pure athleticism. He moves well, but he’s not very big by NHL goalie standards and doesn’t have truly elite small-guy quickness. He projects as a backup goaltender.
Good thing we have no bias here for Buffalo prospects, and can't possibly be overrating him.I believe Corey has been lower on Levi than most people that look at prospects.
I think it is a blend of size bias and draft slot bias involved.
Anyone who doesn't love all Buffalo prospects is absurd and wrong and biased.Frankly that feels a bit absurd, size is definitely a knock on him but I'm entirely sure how much faster he could be without losing control of his positioning.
I was just giving context to one person's opinion.Good thing we have no bias here for Buffalo prospects, and can't possibly be overrating him.
They're basing that projection on data, it's not just a blind "bias" like you're making it out to be. The data shows that smaller goaltenders have a significantly greater chance of failing to make it.And size bias when projecting goalies is a thing that NHL teams and prospect writers fall into. There are NHL teams that will not draft a goalie that is under 6'2" for instance.
They actually aren't. The data says that the sweet spot for height of NHL goalies is 6'2" to 6'4". Yet, you see a lot more goalies over 6'4" get chances than guys under 6'2".They're basing that projection on data, it's not just a blind "bias" like you're making it out to be. The data shows that smaller goaltenders have a significantly greater chance of failing to make it.
Completely ignoring that data and assuming he'll overcome it because Buffalo is so good at developing is the real bias.
Good thing we have no bias here for Buffalo prospects, and can't possibly be overrating him.
Anyone who doesn't love all Buffalo prospects is absurd and wrong and biased.
They're basing that projection on data, it's not just a blind "bias" like you're making it out to be. The data shows that smaller goaltenders have a significantly greater chance of failing to make it.
Completely ignoring that data and assuming he'll overcome it because Buffalo is so good at developing is the real bias.
Interesting to see Buffalo ranked 11th -- are prospects becoming suspects on this team?
Even more interesting -- Corey has Levi ranked 10th, and projects him as a back-up due to his lack of athleticism and size.
10. Devon Levi, GDec. 27, 2001 | 6 feet | 192 pounds | Catches leftTier: Projected to play NHL gamesSkating: NHL averageHockey sense: Above NHL averageAnalysis: Levi had his ups and downs in his rookie pro season. He struggled in the NHL to start the year, as one would expect from a rookie, and then was very good in the AHL in the second half of the season. Levi is a super smart goalie who moves well and can make a lot of difficult stops. He has the high-end IQ to anticipate a lot of plays and squares up pucks despite his frame. He competes well and shows a good second effort. The knock on Levi is his pure athleticism. He moves well, but he’s not very big by NHL goalie standards and doesn’t have truly elite small-guy quickness. He projects as a backup goaltender.
The guy gave his reasons for why he thinks Levi will top out as a back-up. They make sense to me. The responses here have been a criticism of his thoughts instead of giving reasons for why Levi will make it, which tells me a lot.They actually aren't. The data says that the sweet spot for height of NHL goalies is 6'2" to 6'4". Yet, you see a lot more goalies over 6'4" get chances than guys under 6'2".
A lot of it goes back to when Mitch Korn had the theory that you wanted the biggest, most athletic goalie possible prior to the shift in the NHL game to attack with more passes across the slot line which puts a premium on goalies beating plays with their heads and their feet more than just being big and taking up a lot of space.
Sorry, but Pronman's logic doesn't hold water with me from what we have seen from Levi both in college and as a pro.The guy gave his reasons for why he thinks Levi will top out as a back-up. They make sense to me. The responses here have been a criticism of his thoughts instead of giving reasons for why Levi will make it, which tells me a lot.
Also, yeah, the sweet spot for goalies is about 3" larger than Levi, which makes a difference to literally every goalie scout. If you look deeper into the data, you'll see even less success for smaller goalies in the playoffs.
I don't know how to scout or project goalies myself, but Pronman's logic makes a lot more sense to me than people on HF, who (besides Jer Daegar) can't even give reasons why they think he'll be a star besides pointing at his college save %, which is weak proof to me.
The guy gave his reasons for why he thinks Levi will top out as a back-up. They make sense to me. The responses here have been a criticism of his thoughts instead of giving reasons for why Levi will make it, which tells me a lot.
Also, yeah, the sweet spot for goalies is about 3" larger than Levi, which makes a difference to literally every goalie scout. If you look deeper into the data, you'll see even less success for smaller goalies in the playoffs.
I don't know how to scout or project goalies myself, but Pronman's logic makes a lot more sense to me than people on HF, who (besides Jer Daegar) can't even give reasons why they think he'll be a star besides pointing at his college save %, which is weak proof to me.
Well you are already discounting his college performance as an indicator of future success so how about having the 2nd highest save percentage in the AHL, in his first professional season, as a 21/22 year old? That seems like valuable information.The guy gave his reasons for why he thinks Levi will top out as a back-up. They make sense to me. The responses here have been a criticism of his thoughts instead of giving reasons for why Levi will make it, which tells me a lot.
Also, yeah, the sweet spot for goalies is about 3" larger than Levi, which makes a difference to literally every goalie scout. If you look deeper into the data, you'll see even less success for smaller goalies in the playoffs.
I don't know how to scout or project goalies myself, but Pronman's logic makes a lot more sense to me than people on HF, who (besides Jer Daegar) can't even give reasons why they think he'll be a star besides pointing at his college save %, which is weak proof to me.
Unfortunately, Pronman has always been a crummy writer. Lots of cut-and-paste, boilerplate stuff that can lead to the logical inconsistency you correctly point out. Or maybe it's the language barrier.I don't see how someone can say that a goalie "moves well" and "lacks athleticism" at the same time......and I'm not even saying that as Levi-specific. If a goalie moves well, he has to be at the very least athletic enough. Generally most criticism as regards moving well is focused on bigger goalies that DON'T move well.
And I'd like him to be a little more specific as regards his "truly elite small-guy quickness" remark.
Just seems like a bit of a logically inconsistent assessment
The guy gave his reasons for why he thinks Levi will top out as a back-up. They make sense to me. The responses here have been a criticism of his thoughts instead of giving reasons for why Levi will make it, which tells me a lot.
Also, yeah, the sweet spot for goalies is about 3" larger than Levi, which makes a difference to literally every goalie scout. If you look deeper into the data, you'll see even less success for smaller goalies in the playoffs.
I don't know how to scout or project goalies myself, but Pronman's logic makes a lot more sense to me than people on HF, who (besides Jer Daegar) can't even give reasons why they think he'll be a star besides pointing at his college save %, which is weak proof to me.
For real. I would need some confirmation on this, but I believe he had a better year than Miller did. I just assume a lot of people don't watch or pay attention to the AHL. What Levi did this year was incredibly reassuring. Nothing in his development suggests he's going to be a backup. That would be disappointing as hell, though it is possible. I'd put my wager on him becoming at least a solid starter in this league.Well you are already discounting his college performance as an indicator of future success so how about having the 2nd highest save percentage in the AHL, in his first professional season, as a 21/22 year old? That seems like valuable information.
Levi's body of work, at every level he has been in, seems to point to NHL starter caliber. I guess I'm just not willing to overlook that because "short goalie bad".