Confirmed with Link: Devils trade 2nd rounder and Herman Traff for Brian Doumilin

[njdevils1982]

I think this may be the Ken Klee/Niclas Havelid trade I was talking about.

I know, I know. He's probably not as bad as those guys.

lou sure loved his deadline Dman pickups... there were more than just these two

 

[AfroThunder396]

Ultimately a late 2nd is not worth *that* much. That pick is likely going to be in the mid-late 50's, and we still have two of them (though I suspect we won't have two by this time tomorrow).

We also can't draft for shit so I'm not sure why people are so attached to our picks and prospects.

 

[NJDevs26]

So, team currently in a playoff spot just rolls over and dies? Not sure what type of message that sends to the rest of the team and any players around the league

If they died out of a playoff spot from a 99.5% chance to make it or whatever it was in January or even three weeks ago then they deserve to be eviscerated, trades or no trades. That would basically be 2007 Mets type bad, or maybe merely 2008 Mets.

 

[NJDevs26]

Traff is not a nothing prospect. I got on someone for not understanding what 27% means the other day, and yes, Traff is not a long-term NHLer most of the time. But sometimes he is, and he's had a good D+1, and his game is what this team is missing. I don't understand how he got included in this trade.

The winger prospects I'd rate over him are Gritsyuk (who is barely a prospect at his age) and Hameenaho, and he's probably on par with Squires.

At the very least he's one of the few actual forward prospects we had with a pulse and got burned basically for retention on a two-month deal.

 

[NjDevsRR]

hmm idk, maybe something like the 2026 4th round pick the Ducks traded for Dumoulin just last summer?

This is disingenuous and you know it, come on now. TDL is always a much higher price to pay than offseason moves

 

[Bleedred]

I hate Fitz so much. You'd have to be a complete delusional asshat to still support this guy. The timing of his action and/or inaction makes no sense for 2 years now. The value he gives up makes no sense. He doesn't know how to build a roster, which includes ASSET MANAGEMENT, understanding your window, and positional value.

Launch this neanderthal into the sun already. And no, Marty has no business taking over either. This team hasn't understood the goalie market for a decade and if he has any influence rn, bet your ass it's there. And no, overpaying for elderly Markstrom and Allen when this team isn't a contender doesn't change that.

The team should be contending or at the very lost should be a playoff lock. They have NOT been that and that's why Fitz probably needs to go, among other things.

The results just aren't there.

As a matter of fact, we've finished way lower than projected preseason odds the last 2 years (still time to mathematically match it, but highly unlikely), way exceeded them in 2022-2023, though I think we were projected at like 90 points and there were a few models who said to look out for us prior to that season.

We also finished way lower than projected in 21-22.

I don't think the guy has destroyed the organization or anything, but he's not getting the job done. He talked a big talk the last two offseasons and we've been not good ever since. I don't think he's been completely terrible, but he really doesn't deserve this job if the team misses the playoffs again.

And absolutely no to Marty. Just because Fitz probably needs to go doesn't mean we should have to settle for Marty. The only consolation to Fitz staying if we miss the playoffs is it means Marty isn't the GM. But for all I know, Marty doesn't really wanna be this team's GM or have a larger role than he already has, and that's merely irrational paranoia on my part.

I don't think Chuck has any chance of becoming GM. There was a better chance of him becoming interim due to a mid-season GM change and firing of Fitz, like what happened the last time. And unlike the last time where it did happen, I don't think the interim would have been named permanent GM.

 

[Edmonton East]

tradeflation is real team still has two seconds for those that love them picks

Dude, it has nothing to do with loving or not loving picks. Idk what you people don't understand by now about asset management.

In the summer, Dumoulin wasn't even worth more than a 4th round pick 2 years out. Now he's worth a 2nd and a non throw-in prospect to a NON CONTENDING TEAM. If a serious contender wanted to massively overpay in this trade, that'd make sense. For the Devs, it is indefensible.

 

[NJDevs26]

Anyway you slice it, this is a dumb trade. A 2nd and a FWD prospect just drafted and with some potential from an already barren prospect pool for an ok 33yo dman. Don’t want to hear any “seller’s market” crap nor “price for retention. Don’t trade with Verbeek, they guy wants to dummy GMs and well, he found a dummy. More proof that TF has no idea how to get value in trades.

Not sure if this is worse than the McPunchy trade.

I’m officially done for the year.

You moron, you f***ing can’t draft forwards for shit, moron.

Another second to the wind. What do you say @Guttersniped ?

The McDermid trade itself was meh, whatever...it's the actual signing of him to a three-year deal after that which was insanity. Dude has played like 120 minutes total this year, in about a third of the games we've played.

 

[My3Sons]

The general value of seconds and lower tier prospects to win now teams is just not that high compared to rebuilding teams. NJ is trying to win now they are going to overpay to get what they want/need without looking three years ahead on development guys. That's true regardless of whether they can actually win now. They are trying to win now and that is all that matters. I'm not saying I agree with it but it's their mindset. We will see if it blows up in their faces or works out on some level. Just making the playoffs at this point would be a win. To me the lineup has been gutted and they are demoralized and Keefe has not been a miracle worker and absent some luck I'm skeptical they hold onto a playoff spot the way they have played since December.

 

[Camille the Eel]

But what do you friends on this board think of Traff? That’s whom we really have given up for Dumoulin. (Of Biddeford, Maine btw).

Dumoulin replaces Siegs, I reckon that’s the logic of this. The first pairing now will be he and Kovacevic.

 

[Bleedred]

lou sure loved his deadline Dman pickups... there were more than just these two

Martin Skoula in 2010 is off the top of my head.

2012 was just Zidlicky I think? Which was much different from the usual guys.

One of my favorites, at least just because of his name, Dick Smehlik.

 

[NJDevs26]

The general value of seconds and lower tier prospects to win now teams is just not that high compared to rebuilding teams. NJ is trying to win now they are going to overpay to get what they want/need without looking three years ahead on development guys. That's true regardless of whether they can actually win now. They are trying to win now and that is all that matters. I'm not saying I agree with it but it's their mindset. We will see if it blows up in their faces or works out on some level. Just making the playoffs at this point would be a win. To me the lineup has been gutted and they are demoralized and Keefe has not been a miracle worker and absent some luck I'm skeptical they hold onto a playoff spot the way they have played since December.

Honestly if they did this deal 'last week' it probably doesn't get half the reaction it does, but throw a few more losses in the mix plus Jack being out for the year and Dougie being out at least till the stretch drive adding to Siegs already on the shelf just reeks of throwing good money to rack up bad debts, or whatever that phrase is and being the beginning of a desperation ploy for Fitz to save his ass.

 

[Combat Koala]

Not going to judge this trade until after the deadline because something weird is going on. They just retained on the Frederic deal for a poor return and then now are paying a premium for another team to retain on this deal.

It would be a Chuck Fletcher level of planning if they don't do anything else.

Funny that you would mention Chuck Fletcher considering he's a senior advisor in the Devils organization. I had to check that since I had some sudden vague memory of him being hired by the Devils.

Fitzgeralds use of assets continues to piss me off. I have no idea what the f*** he is trying to do. First he sits on his hands for months on end not doing anything to the obvious problems at hand and creates problems for himself to solve and to be honest I dont trust his problem solving abilities at all. I have not posted in a long time but I didn't mostly like his summer moves either. Yeah, there are injuries right now and this will stabilize the D but I still dont get it? Surely there were other options too? Did he even try? Why throw in a forward prospect from an already barren pool of forward prospects?

 

[Triumph]

Dude, it has nothing to do with loving or not loving picks. Idk what you people don't understand by now about asset management.

In the summer, Dumoulin wasn't even worth more than a 4th round pick 2 years out. Now he's worth a 2nd and a non throw-in prospect to a NON CONTENDING TEAM. If a serious contender wanted to massively overpay in this trade, that'd make sense. For the Devs, it is indefensible.

While I hate what the Devils paid in this deal, the price of Dumoulin over the summer has little to do with his price now. It's precisely the fact that the Devils are exhibit A for a team that wouldn't've added a player like this over the summer but would now because they have a hole in their lineup that has his price going up.

 

[JrFischer54]

Dude, it has nothing to do with loving or not loving picks. Idk what you people don't understand by now about asset management.

In the summer, Dumoulin wasn't even worth more than a 4th round pick 2 years out. Now he's worth a 2nd and a non throw-in prospect to a NON CONTENDING TEAM. If a serious contender wanted to massively overpay in this trade, that'd make sense. For the Devs, it is indefensible.

the guy is a legit nhl level defenseman that can help the team now make the playoffs. i 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% do not care about a 2nd round pick that won't sniff the nhl and contribute for another 4-5 years! and for the prospect? see the above % the same goes for him.

if you dont want to make the playoffs please stop watching for the rest of the season and that really goes to anyone else who doesn't want to improve the team now

 

[Nocashstyle]

If they died out of a playoff spot from a 99.5% chance to make it or whatever it was in January or even three weeks ago then they deserve to be eviscerated, trades or no trades. That would basically be 2007 Mets type bad, or maybe merely 2008 Mets.

I agree. But the reality is, the organization cannot just say “f*** you bums” see ya next year. This is a business and there are plenty of short and long term implications if that’s the route they wanted to take.

 

[KovalchukFistPump]

If Hamilton and Siegenthaler are out for awhile then what's the point? I guess playoff experience would be good and we don't have a 1st anyway.

Fitz is an awful position and I guess the ownership wants fans in the seats for a playoff push, even if there is no Cup chance this year.

 

[My3Sons]

Honestly if they did this deal 'last week' it probably doesn't get half the reaction it does, but throw a few more losses in the mix plus Jack being out for the year and Dougie being out at least till the stretch drive adding to Siegs already on the shelf just reeks of throwing good money to rack up bad debts, or whatever that phrase is and being the beginning of a desperation ploy for Fitz to save his ass.

I agree but to a win now team it's not a big deal. They add to the on ice lineup. Three years is light years away for them at this point. Again, I don't agree but that has to be how they are thinking which is typical for win now teams.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

Yeesh. Don't like that.

Dumoulin is kind of on the back 9 at this stage, isn't he? He's from Biddeford Maine though, so that makes me happy.

my buddy is a hard core pens fan and here's his take:

 

[KovalchukFistPump]

If they died out of a playoff spot from a 99.5% chance to make it or whatever it was in January or even three weeks ago then they deserve to be eviscerated, trades or no trades. That would basically be 2007 Mets type bad, or maybe merely 2008 Mets.

Hey I started a main board thread that I hope doesn't get bumped and get me banned from this board. But even though they've been playing bad the last few weeks, losing Hamilton, Jack Hughes, and Siegs to medium-to-long term injuries within the span of a month is enough to put a stop to any Cup hopes this year. So now the Devils are the same as the Red Wings, Senators, Canadiens, and Blue Jackets: a young team hoping to sneak into the playoffs to build something for the future. Sucks that it's ANOTHER year of needing that mentality but we don't have a 1st this year so might as well try to win as many games as possible. But no, it's not the same as disappointing Mets teams that just signed Beltran, Delgado, and Johan Santana.

 

[AfroThunder396]

If they miss they playoffs then Fitz is fired, period. It would be completely unacceptable with Hughes or without Hughes.

That said, I don't think that's going to happen. I think getting a real LHD will completely change the calculus on defense, we've functionally only been playing with two pairings for the last month now. Markstrom is back. Special teams are still clicking. Keefe knows what it takes.

 

[Andre Palot]

FIRE FITZ!

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Ultimately a late 2nd is not worth *that* much. That pick is likely going to be in the mid-late 50's, and we still have two of them (though I suspect we won't have two by this time tomorrow).

We also can't draft for shit so I'm not sure why people are so attached to our picks and prospects.

Don't think we can use the pick that's attached the Allen conditions in a trade, so it's just 1 2nd freely usable

 

[Dylan9z9]

lou sure loved his deadline Dman pickups... there were more than just these two

Brian Doumolin and Shane LeChance nothing can stop us now !!!

FIRE FITZ!

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Hey I started a main board thread that I hope doesn't get bumped and get me banned from this board. But even though they've been playing bad the last few weeks, losing Hamilton, Jack Hughes, and Siegs to medium-to-long term injuries within the span of a month is enough to put a stop to any Cup hopes this year. So now the Devils are the same as the Red Wings, Senators, Canadiens, and Blue Jackets: a young team hoping to sneak into the playoffs to build something for the future. Sucks that it's ANOTHER year of needing that mentality but we don't have a 1st this year so might as well try to win as many games as possible. But no, it's not the same as disappointing Mets teams that just signed Beltran, Delgado, and Johan Santana.

Yeah, you did us no favors with that thread and it will 100% be bumped by a douchebag Rangers fan if they miss lol