Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - season begins!

[tailfins]

Wait a minute. I mentioned this yesterday that I’ve noticed when looking at the game logs on the NHL app when a goalie allows an own goal it lists him as allowing one goal than he allowed, but it also says 23 saves on 25 shots, but only credits him with one goal allowed.

When I go to hockey reference he was listed as allowing two goals.

I’m not sure why they’re complicating this. If a goalie gives up a goal on fewer shots on goal, it’s gonna hurt his save percentage. Not help it.

I don’t understand this and never heard anything about this before this season.

So instead of 2 goals on 25 shots it’s 2 goals on 24 shots?

Hockey reference still has him listed at 2 goals on 25 shots for the game log on Saturday.

I think it only doesn’t count as a shot on goal on the NHL app. And even on there it counts as a shot, just not a goal lol.

Per Spaulding, for save percentage calculation, the own goal is not counted as a shot and therefore not counted as a goal. So, saved 24 / 25. For save percentage calculation, it seems the own goal would be treated similar to an empty net goal. It's a Goal Against for the team, but does not count against the goalies stats.

I agree it's complicating things though. If Allen makes that save, does it not count as a save? Given the logic above, it shouldn't. But, that would be insane to track.

 

[TrufleShufle]

Wait a minute. I mentioned this yesterday that I’ve noticed when looking at the game logs on the NHL app when a goalie allows an own goal it lists him as allowing one goal than he allowed, but it also says 23 saves on 25 shots, but only credits him with one goal allowed.

When I go to hockey reference he was listed as allowing two goals.

I’m not sure why they’re complicating this. If a goalie gives up a goal on fewer shots on goal, it’s gonna hurt his save percentage. Not help it.

I don’t understand this and never heard anything about this before this season.

So instead of 2 goals on 25 shots it’s 2 goals on 24 shots?

Hockey reference still has him listed at 2 goals on 25 shots for the game log on Saturday.

I think it only doesn’t count as a shot on goal on the NHL app. And even on there it counts as a shot, just not a goal lol.

If they calculate own goals differently it makes sense. Assuming they count own goals as neither a GA or shot. It's just.. there.

25 shots, 2 GA. 92.00%

24 shots, 1GA 1OG 95.83%

 

[TrufleShufle]

Per Spaulding, for save percentage calculation, the own goal is not counted as a shot and therefore not counted as a goal. So, saved 24 / 25. For save percentage calculation, it seems the own goal would be treated similar to an empty net goal. It's a Goal Against for the team, but does not count against the goalies stats.

I agree it's complicating things though. If Allen makes that save, does it not count as a save? Given the logic above, it shouldn't. But, that would be insane to track.

I agree it's over complicating things and probably just easier to count it as it is, but if a player passes back to his own goalie, it wouldn't count as a shot, nor would a bad pass to the point that goes all the way down the ice to the goalie.

Is it worth trying to keep track of? Probably not, but at least they are consistent I guess.

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

 

[TheBeerNerd]

I love the shoutout to us at the end. "Sickos" is a very apt descriptor. Embrace it.

 

[New Jerseys Devil]

Fellow Devils fans! How are we feeling about this season so far? Hoping for a big win tonight to kick off the Thanksgiving week

 

[TheBeerNerd]

Fellow Devils fans! How are we feeling about this season so far? Hoping for a big win tonight to kick off the Thanksgiving week

Hey new blood! Feeling great about the season. I can tell the team culture feels a lot different compared to last year, when they were clearly rattled early on mentally. Now it feels like we can beat anyone except Tampa.

 

[New Jerseys Devil]

Hey new blood! Feeling great about the season. I can tell the team culture feels a lot different compared to last year, when they were clearly rattled early on mentally. Now it feels like we can beat anyone except Tampa.

Im having fun this year too. Loving what Sheldon Keefe has gotten out of them so far; and with more room to build on that. The future seems really bright

Would love to beat Andrew Brunette and his Predators tonight!

 

[None Shall Pass]

So Dillon had two goals that game

 

[Bleedred]

If they calculate own goals differently it makes sense. Assuming they count own goals as neither a GA or shot. It's just.. there.

25 shots, 2 GA. 92.00%

24 shots, 1GA 1OG 95.83%

Hockey reference still has it the old way. Allen is a .916% on there.

But NHL.com has him at a .921%, which I guess is the difference between the one own goal he allowed in this game/season and not counting dinged for it.

 

[My3Sons]

Hockey reference still has it the old way. Allen is a .916% on there.

But NHL.com has him at a .921%, which I guess is the difference between the one own goal he allowed in this game/season and not counting dinged for it.

Call Blackwood. With his background in epidemiology he can explain the statistical analysis to you.

 

[dgibb10]

Kovacevic is excellent and the Devils can't replace him. What they can do is offer him a Siegenthaler + inflation + a little more kind of deal to stay, which he might take because he's never been paid anything close to that nor had this sort of role. Obviously if he makes it to market and the Devils go deep in the playoffs, that sort of thing is probably off the table, but to me you have to make the attempt, even if means trading both Hamilton and Nemec and losing both trades.

"Get fleeced for your norris contending dman and your 2nd overall pick to sign your UFA depth acquisition after 1 season" is a legitimately insane take I'm sorry.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

I went back to check the games after that seeing that 12-0 stat when leading in the 3rd. All the games I were thinking of, they were behind and tied it up. Crazy.

What a difference from last season

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

Nemec was a luxury who dropped into our laps. I don't think we should be getting so attached to him as some untouchable prospect. Imo, he's the best trade bait we have and the best asset we have to get something good back in return to fill a need.

Ofc, I'd rather move Dougie this offseason though