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Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part III
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Greener getting the jobs for the boys.
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Like I keep saying, most of the former GM’s go on to work for other NHL teams in roles like this. NHL teams love bringing in former GM’s in the league and adding them to their front office in these types of roles. It’s really hard not to get a job (if you want one) for another team doing this type of work after you’ve already been a GM in the league. And many of them do it if they can’t find another job as a GM. Some of them go into scouting.
It’s just like guys who were head coaches who aren’t getting jobs anymore as head coaches. They go be an assistant or associate coach for another team and wait to get another head coaching job somewhere. And sometimes they don’t get one and they keep on doing that.
I really need to make it a project today to look up all GM’s that have been fired between the 2019 off-season and this one and do a where are they now?
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Last season took a toll on me, as I'm sure it did many others.
I said in the last week of the season that I couldn't wait for it to be over and that I just needed a break from it all. Last season really drained me. I figured maybe by July 1st I'd be wanting it back, but no earlier than that.
Well, July 1st came and went and I still wasn't missing it much.
Now we're in August and I think I'm ready. I'm kind of wishing it was September 2nd and not August 2nd.
I said in the last week of the season that I couldn't wait for it to be over and that I just needed a break from it all. Last season really drained me. I figured maybe by July 1st I'd be wanting it back, but no earlier than that.
Well, July 1st came and went and I still wasn't missing it much.
Now we're in August and I think I'm ready. I'm kind of wishing it was September 2nd and not August 2nd.
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Left the Flyers in shambles. It'll take years more to dig out of his cap hell with the terrible contracts he signed. Built the team around Kevin Hayes....a guy the Rangers and Winnipeg were glad to be rid of. Made some of the worst trades this side of Mike Milbury. The BEST thing Fletcher did was, when trying to "go for it", had the team end up near the bottom of the standings and have Michkov fall into their lap. He'd already been run out of town by then. One of the worst GMs ever.
I have no clue why anyone would want to hire his "hockey mind". The good thing is, he isn't your GM.
I think some of the old school thinking that sank teams will be offset by the rise of analytics which includes some actual attention being paid to aging curves. For so long teams signed guys well past their primes and acted as if a guy who was very good in his middle to late 20s would still be good in his middle to late 30s. If you look at most contacts signed now they tend to end around 35. Teams are slowly getting smarter.
Would be interesting to be a fly on the wall and listen to see how much input/influence that a senior advisor wields. Former Kings GM Dean Lombardi is still listed as a senior advisor for the Flyers. He did a podcast last summer with Andy Strickland and Cam Janssen; I seem to recall Lombardi making it seem like he was mostly just hanging out in his northern California ranch rather than traveling to watch games.
If that happens, it's gunna be darker days than post lock out Lou, and maybe worse than pre-Lou but I wasn't alive then.
That's exactly the issue. He isn't gunna be a nobody here. He's gunna be involved, and that's not a good thing.
Maybe I'll check when I get home, but it feels like every org has some recycled former GM sticking around as a senior advisor. I know Kings fans were a little uneasy if Marc Bergevin was next in line if Rob Blake were canned.
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You made me look up Senior Advisors. Yes, made me (by discussing this).
Here’s current GMs who have former GMs as Senior Advisors. What you will learn from this is the Flyers org. really loves Senior Advisors and/or their former GMs.
GMs below are listed by seniority (the year they started with org is in parenthesis if earlier).
*Former GM of same team
**Had a different management position with the same team that transitioned directly into advisory role
***Had a different management position with the same team in the past
Doug Armstrong STL 2010-24 (2008-09)
Senior Advisors:
*Larry Pleau (77) 2010-21
Peter Chiarelli (59) 2019-21
[became VP of Hockey Operations 2021-24]
**Dave Taylor (68) 2021-24
Jim Nill DAL 2013-24
Senior Advisors:
*Bob Gainey (70) 2012-14
*Les Jackson (71) 2016-20
Don Sweeney BOS 2015-24 (2006-07)
Senior Advisor:
*Harry Sinden (91) 2006-21
Rob Blake LAK 2017-24 (2013-14)
Senior Advisors:
**Mike O’Connell (68) 2013-21
**Jack Ferreira (80) 2017-18
***Ron Hextall (60) 2019-21
Marc Bergevin (58) 2021-24
Julien BriseBois TBL 2018-24 (2010-11)
Senior Advisor:
*Steve Yzerman (59) 2018-19
Bill Guerin 2019-24
Senior Advisors:
Jack Ferreira (80) 2018-21
[former Minnesota North Stars GM]
Randy Sexton (65) 2021-22
Ray Shero (62) 2021-24
Bill Zito FLA 2020-24
Senior Advisors:
*Rick Dudley (75) 2020-24
Paul Fenton (64) 2020-24
**Les Jackson (71) 2023-24
Bill Armstrong ARI>UTA 2020-24
Senior Advisor:
Larry Pleau (77) 2021-24
Chris Drury NYR 2021-24 (2015-16)
Senior Advisors:
**Mike Barnett (73) 2014-15
*Glen Sather (80) 2019-23
Kyle Davidson CHI 2021-24
Senior Advisor:
Scotty Bowman (90) 2008-2022
Patrick Alvin VAN 2022-24
Senior Advisor:
Dale Tallon (73) 2022-24
Danny Briere PHI 2023-24
Senior Advisors:
***Dean Lombardi (66) 2017-24
*Bobby Clarke (74) 2019-24
*Paul Holmgren (68) 2019-24
Mike O’Connell (68) 2021-23
Bob Murray (69) 2023-24
Brad Treliving TOR 2023-24
Senior Advisors:
*Cliff Fletcher (88) 2009-24
Barry Trotz NSH 2023-24 (2022-23)
Senior Advisor:
*David Poile (74) 2023-24
Steve Staios OTT 2023-24
Senior Advisor:
***Jacques Martin 2023-24
Ex-GMs with Management jobs? Other than Chiarelli there’s
Dave Nonis (58), Asst GM/ Sr VP for CGY 2023-24
Jeff Gorton (56), Ex VP for MTL 2021-24
Jason Botterill (48), Asst GM for SEA 2020-24
Some guys don’t have NHL managerial positions after being GMs though. (Tim Miller, Jay Feaster, etc)
And finally, you can see a lot of senior advisors have a past history with these teams which leads to…
The Thing That Wouldn’t Leave Awards
Harry Sinden w/ BOS from 1966-67 to 20-21
Bobby Clarke w/ PHI from 1979-80 to 23-24+
Paul Holmgren w/ PHI from 1985-86 to 23-24+
David Poile w/ NSH from 1997-98 to 23-24+
Larry Pleau w/ STL from 1997-98 to 21-22
Glen Sather w/ NYR from 2000-01 to 23-24+
(Not including years as players here)
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Fitz traded Marino for 2x 2nds and then signed Pesce to take his spot.
If Fletcher was running the team, he would sign Pesce first, get himself in cap trouble and then attach a 2nd to Marino to cap dump him on another team.
Now imagine that every single move Fletcher makes is like this. After a couple years the Devils will be in the same spot the current Flyers are at.
If Fletcher was running the team, he would sign Pesce first, get himself in cap trouble and then attach a 2nd to Marino to cap dump him on another team.
Now imagine that every single move Fletcher makes is like this. After a couple years the Devils will be in the same spot the current Flyers are at.
It’s quite informative that list. The thing is, we don’t even know what these guys do, if anything. There is no senior advisor job description I can see. Do they even have an office at the HQ of operation or are they just a consultant available on the phone? May vary from team to team and guy to guy. This hire here may be a great big nothing, depending.
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I imagine them as a consultant. Someone you can bounce ideas off of but who has no final say or day to day responsibilities.
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Yes - A guy with a huge contacts list that the org can use if needed.
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Thanks for doing the heavy lifting! I'm on vacation and kind of taking it easy!
Botterill is another one I've forgotten about. His time in Buffalo wasn't looked upon favorably and he's been the assistant GM for Seattle and has been since a minute after Buffalo fired him. Now that I realize he's still a thing, he's a guy I wouldn't be surprised to see working here if he were ever out of work, as I'm pretty sure he worked with Fitz in Pittsburgh back in the day. That's where he came from before Buffalo hired him, and I'm pretty sure he was there for years. Though he did play for Buffalo/Rochester when he was still an active player.
I was actually surprised to see he's only 48. I thought he was maybe 5-6 years older than that. For a guy that was a player at one point (guys like Chayka and Dubas didn't play) he was fairly young when he got his first GM job in the league.
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I don't doubt that's how it would work out, but I don't think Fletcher has the autonomy here to make any of these calls, nor do I believe he ever will.
I would imagine they counsel with the GM and front office and may be in on many of the big meetings, but I don't honestly believe that Fletcher is even one of the 5 most powerful people in the organization in the front office pecking order. Right off the bat Fitz and his two assistants Dan and Kate are all of higher power and influence. And I also believe Marty is also someone of higher influence and say than Fletcher right now. There's probably even a couple more people I'm forgetting. The heads of scouting likely have more say as well, though they are kind of in a different department.
I shouldn't pretend to know how much influence Fletcher exactly has or even try to guess who is and isn't ahead of him in the front office hierarchy, but I don't think he has any kind of real influence here. And I don't at all believe he's a candidate to ever be the permanent GM here.
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And don't forget that old man Fletcher (Cliff) was a pretty respected figure in hockey and a GM for a longgggggg time in the league. Like 3 decades long. He was the GM for just about 20 years for the Flames in both Atlanta and Calgary. And they did win their only cup with him as the GM. Then he was with the Leafs for close to a decade. It looks like he left Calgary to take the job in Toronto when his contract was up or maybe even before it was up. I don't think Calgary fired him.
He was also the Coyotes GM for a minute, it looks like he was basically an interim GM there, without actually having the interim GM tag. Looks like he took over and 6 months later hired someone else and stayed on in another role for years.
So these guys are pretty respected in hockey.
He was also the Coyotes GM for a minute, it looks like he was basically an interim GM there, without actually having the interim GM tag. Looks like he took over and 6 months later hired someone else and stayed on in another role for years.
So these guys are pretty respected in hockey.
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Are you going to change your Green/Nasreddine header since we have Keefe?
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Just in case anyone was thinking I was a bit dramatic about how badly we need new seats at the rock or how much they simply don't clean anything more than they have to. I was at Monster Jam tonight, section 11. This wasn't just the seats in front of me either, it was rows and rows that all look like this.
Clearly they aren't doing anything cleaning wise with the arena during the off season, disgusting...
Clearly they aren't doing anything cleaning wise with the arena during the off season, disgusting...
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Granted it was 35 years ago he did build a Stanley Cup team in Calgary, and the Flames were a helluva team that might have more than one if they didn't have one of the great teams of all-time in their conference.
