Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part III

[TheUnseenHand]

There’s nothing this move does that makes me question Fitz’s judgment. I get it, the old boys club sucks, but there’s nothing that deters me here from thinking anything has changed in the structure of the front office. It hasn’t. Fitz, Marty, Madigan and MacKinnon are the core group of decision makers there.

I don't want utter incompetence at any position within the organization. These people are like parasites. He will probably bring in a couple of his guys, and they will bring in a couple of their guys. And now you have poisoned the organization. It's just stupid to even have that admittedly unlikely scenario as something that is possible. I'd rather the team pay him just to stay away.

 

[My3Sons]

Say what? Ralph is gonna come over and to be one of the people in the front office next?

I’m sorry the card says Moops

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

None of those other guys have become GM. Shero has been in this role in Minnesota for several years now, Bergevin in LA for 2 (let's see if he's promoted to replace Rob Blake soon enough), Doug Wilson is in Pittsburgh now.

The most famous is Pete Chiarelli being in St. Louis the last 5 years.

Thats great but the possibility even being there is the issue; even if its literally just a paycheck as Afro says, its worse than nothing

And I seriously dont buy the idea these guys dont have their opinions heard on things. Fitzgerald may look up to him so he could be influential, whether small or big

 

[My3Sons]

Thats great but the possibility even being there is the issue; even if its literally just a paycheck as Afro says, its worse than nothing

And I seriously dont buy the idea these guys dont have their opinions heard on things. Fitzgerald may look up to him so he could be influential, whether small or big

I couldn’t agree more. Instead of hiring an incompetent like him they could have hired an incompetent like me.

 

[Lou Bloom]

I don't get the uproar, Even if Fletcher isn't a good GM that doesn't mean he's not suited for an advisor role. We're talking about someone with 30 years of NHL Front office experience, seems crazy to think someone with his resume shouldn't have any role in an NHL Front office.

 

[Nubmer6]

Ya know, a GM does a lot more than make trades and draft players. He's responsible for day to day operations of the team, and Fletcher has a lot of experience with that.

Just keep him away from player evaluations.

 

[NJDevs26]

None of those other guys have become GM. Shero has been in this role in Minnesota for several years now, Bergevin in LA for 2 (let's see if he's promoted to replace Rob Blake soon enough), Doug Wilson is in Pittsburgh now.

The most famous is Pete Chiarelli being in St. Louis the last 5 years.

And who was Shero hired by there? Chuck Fletcher…talk about full circle

 

[MadDevil]

It's definitely the dead part of the offseason lol

 

[Bleedred]

And who was Shero hired by there? Chuck Fletcher…talk about full circle

Fletcher was gone by then.

It had to be Guerin? Now that was still a buddy system hire, as Guerin was with the Pens with Shero, as both a player and in the front office after retirement.

I don't get the uproar, Even if Fletcher isn't a good GM that doesn't mean he's not suited for an advisor role. We're talking about someone with 30 years of NHL Front office experience, seems crazy to think someone with his resume shouldn't have any role in an NHL Front office.

That's the thing.

It's so easy for a guy that's been a GM in the league to get a job with another team doing something else. Something like what Fletcher is doing here, and at least 5 or 8 other former GM's are doing with other teams.

I'd love to compile of list of all GM's that were fired or lost their jobs in the last 5 years, and what they're doing now. If they're not a GM somewhere else, a decent amount of them are likely employed with another team doing the same type of work that Fletcher will be doing here/was doing here in between his Wild and Flyers GM stints.

 

[NjDevsRR]

What I miss

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

What I miss
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We added some guy in an advisory role that was bad in another role on some other teams, it’s over.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

I'm sure Chuck Fletcher can be critical of himself and look back on some of his past blunders. It doesn't mean he is going to come here and ruin everything. Fitzgerald is still the top dog here and it doesn't look like that will be changing anytime soon thankfully.

 

[My3Sons]

We added some guy in an advisory role that was bad in another role on some other teams, it’s over.

Manny Legace is not over. @Bleedred wants to have a word with you.

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

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[Xirik]

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I don't know if I can accept this. it seems a little too high effort for our Low effort ways.

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

I don't know if I can accept this. it seems a little too high effort for our Low effort ways.

I should have spaced out the words to go as she was talking lol

 

[Andre Palot]

Didn't Fletcher have a job here for a cup of coffee or is that a Mandela effect?

 

[njdevils1982]

Didn't Fletcher have a job here for a cup of coffee or is that a Mandela effect?

cliff fletcher

History of hockey trades by general manager Cliff Fletcher - NHL Trade Tracker

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New Jersey Devils acquire​	Date​	Toronto Maple Leafs acquire​
Dave Ellett Doug Gilmour 1998 4th round pick or 1999 3rd round pick (1999 #95-Andre Lakos)	February 25, 1997​	Jason Smith Steve Sullivan rights to Alyn McCauley

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New Jersey Devils acquire​	Date​	Toronto Maple Leafs acquire​
Dave Andreychuk	March 13, 1996​	1996 2nd round pick (#36-Marek Posmyk) option of 1998 4th round pick or 1999 3rd round pick (1998 #113-Kristian Antila)

 

[swissexpert]

Sweet lil' Nico in a jersey jersey, love it!

 

[Louskoolaid89]

Sweet lil' Nico in a jersey jersey, love it!

Nice. Seen a photo of him in a red devils jersey. Obviously not a fluke! If "Jersey" was only an option 20 years ago I'm sure he'd been sporting that too.

 

[Based Anime Fan]

I don't get why people are saying Fletcher is a POS.

Bad GM, maybe, but I have not found any indication anywhere that he's a bad person or some closet monster. Everything I've heard is he's a pretty chill, nice dude.

 

[Bleedred]

Didn't Fletcher have a job here for a cup of coffee or is that a Mandela effect?

Yes. He was in this same exact role and title for a very brief minute between his firing from Minnesota and the Flyers hiring him.

I don’t even think he was here for half a season before the Flyers plucked him from us after they fired Hextall early in the 18-19 season.

 

[Goptor]

Fletcher has absolutely no idea how to build a team or value players, so he's gotta be good at something behind the scenes in order to keep getting jobs.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

He will have absolutely no impact on anything

:: OK

 

[Andre Palot]

Frank was Socrates to George’s Plato.

So who was Kant?