Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 offseason part II

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My3Sons

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I saw "The Who" in 1970 and from your same 4-foot distance stood in front of Pete Townshend for the entire concert. Blew my mind. Couldn't hear anything but a muffled distant sounding hum for about a week.

I saw "Mountain" up close and personal and was almost blown out of my seat. They knew nothing but LOUD. Leslie West could play the guitar.

Joe Walsh has to be among the best ever guitarists. Saw him while sitting on the floor directly in front of him while in college. He was with "The James Gang" then. Think it was '68-'69. His later work on "Hotel California" with "The Eagles" is classic rock greatness.

Saw "Grand Funk Railroad" that same year before they went Commercial and pretty much dumped the "Railroad" from their name. They were loud and lots of battling guitar riffs. The "James Gang' often opened for them when the Gang first got started as a trio.

I've seen a bunch more and there have been a shitload of good guitar players over the years. Neil Young is my favorite. Have like 20 of his albums all in vinyl. I am still trying to fill out my overall record collection in vinyl. No better sound exists.

I knocked a totally wrecked Gracie Slick of the "Jefferson Airplane" down a flight of stairs to the locker room area in small NY college. I was carrying my pads and the rest of my goalie gear after having finished a hockey game there. I was in my socks and taking up most of the wdith of the stairway and never saw her as I turned the corner onto the stairs. I rushed down to see if she was alright having no idea who she was. Her only words were a mumbled repetition of "It's okay man. I'm good." She stumbled off and all but crawled up the stairs.

Someone from the school came into the locker room and told our coach that "Jefferson Airplane" would be going on after their warmup band, who had just taken the stage. "Would your team like to see them? We can seat you on the floor in front of the stage if you can get there before the "Airplane" takes the stage. You've got about 40 minutes."
Our music of the time dinosaur said "No. I think the boys are pretty beat and would like to get on the road. It'll be at least a 3 hour drive and we still have to stop and eat."
The guys closest to this brain dead response were our captain and a couple other guys, who immediately interrupted the conversation and said the team would be grateful for the opportunity.

Imagine my shock when the first chords exploded in the crowded gymnasium and the spot light hit Gracie as she belted out "When the truth is found, to be lies" the opening line of " Somebody To Love". She was the stoner I had knocked down the stairs. Looked nothing like the face I saw on my album cover.

Dylan playing electric is also some great music. "Like A Rolling Stone" and "Positively 4th Street" might be the best set of song lyrics ever written. I thought he wrote 4th Street for me. A girl I had gone with for my best high school years broke up with me and this song mirrors our split and the ensuing couple of years.

I paid a price for the music of my time. I permanently lost a lot of hearing. I wouldn't have done it any other way.

Music fits so many life events that you can actually follow the best years of your life with the music of those times. For me it's 1963-1980, Jr. high, high school, college, marriage, teaching and coaching, the birth of our son in 1980. It's not like there hasn't been no more music since then. There's been a ton, but you do have to separate the crap from the good stuff. However, when hearing the music from those yester-years, my mind instantly rushes back to where I was, what I was doing, and who I was doing it with just like it was happening today. I could live in that time span for eternity. Quoting Bryan Adams from "The Summer of '69", "Those were the best years of my life."

Man I am REALLY OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!, but the music makes me young again for just a bit.
I think that’s the best post you’ve ever shared with us. Thanks so much for those memories. The college concert scene was amazing all the way up through the 1990s for classic rock. My fraternity were the roadies at my college and I helped a bunch of professional roadies as a gofer back then. I met James Taylor and Squeeze and Eddie Money and Danny Elfman from Oingo Boingo and a few others. So much fun. I agree about Joe Walsh by the way. Maybe the most underrated classic rock guitarist. I think it’s secondary to his somewhat goofy public image. I think I saw Leslie West play with BTO when they opened for Van Halen. I think the best shows I saw in small environments back then were Rush and Warren Zevon in thr Broome County Arena.
 

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I saw "The Who" in 1970 and from your same 4-foot distance stood in front of Pete Townshend for the entire concert. Blew my mind. Couldn't hear anything but a muffled distant sounding hum for about a week.

I saw "Mountain" up close and personal and was almost blown out of my seat. They knew nothing but LOUD. Leslie West could play the guitar.

Joe Walsh has to be among the best ever guitarists. Saw him while sitting on the floor directly in front of him while in college. He was with "The James Gang" then. Think it was '68-'69. His later work on "Hotel California" with "The Eagles" is classic rock greatness.

Saw "Grand Funk Railroad" that same year before they went Commercial and pretty much dumped the "Railroad" from their name. They were loud and lots of battling guitar riffs. The "James Gang' often opened for them when the Gang first got started as a trio.

I've seen a bunch more and there have been a shitload of good guitar players over the years. Neil Young is my favorite. Have like 20 of his albums all in vinyl. I am still trying to fill out my overall record collection in vinyl. No better sound exists.

I knocked a totally wrecked Gracie Slick of the "Jefferson Airplane" down a flight of stairs to the locker room area in small NY college. I was carrying my pads and the rest of my goalie gear after having finished a hockey game there. I was in my socks and taking up most of the wdith of the stairway and never saw her as I turned the corner onto the stairs. I rushed down to see if she was alright having no idea who she was. Her only words were a mumbled repetition of "It's okay man. I'm good." She stumbled off and all but crawled up the stairs.

Someone from the school came into the locker room and told our coach that "Jefferson Airplane" would be going on after their warmup band, who had just taken the stage. "Would your team like to see them? We can seat you on the floor in front of the stage if you can get there before the "Airplane" takes the stage. You've got about 40 minutes."
Our music of the time dinosaur said "No. I think the boys are pretty beat and would like to get on the road. It'll be at least a 3 hour drive and we still have to stop and eat."
The guys closest to this brain dead response were our captain and a couple other guys, who immediately interrupted the conversation and said the team would be grateful for the opportunity.

Imagine my shock when the first chords exploded in the crowded gymnasium and the spot light hit Gracie as she belted out "When the truth is found, to be lies" the opening line of " Somebody To Love". She was the stoner I had knocked down the stairs. Looked nothing like the face I saw on my album cover.

Dylan playing electric is also some great music. "Like A Rolling Stone" and "Positively 4th Street" might be the best set of song lyrics ever written. I thought he wrote 4th Street for me. A girl I had gone with for my best high school years broke up with me and this song mirrors our split and the ensuing couple of years.

I paid a price for the music of my time. I permanently lost a lot of hearing. I wouldn't have done it any other way.

Music fits so many life events that you can actually follow the best years of your life with the music of those times. For me it's 1963-1980, Jr. high, high school, college, marriage, teaching and coaching, the birth of our son in 1980. It's not like there hasn't been no more music since then. There's been a ton, but you do have to separate the crap from the good stuff. However, when hearing the music from those yester-years, my mind instantly rushes back to where I was, what I was doing, and who I was doing it with just like it was happening today. I could live in that time span for eternity. Quoting Bryan Adams from "The Summer of '69", "Those were the best years of my life."

Man I am REALLY OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!, but the music makes me young again for just a bit.


solid post, i too got a decent vinyl collection... up around 19' feet or so

and ya, i love neil also
 

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I think you are misunderstanding the conversation. At least the conversation I was having with @guitarguyvic where this began.

The percentage of total goals/offense was a direct comparison to 2018 Taylor Hall from a previous discussion.

I was basically saying Hughes contribution to the 2023 team was similar to Hall's 2018 contributions.
Contributions to the totals for two specific players in two specific seasons as a comparison. Nothing more
The problem is that your argument holds no water. Hall and Hughes each contributed similarly to the devils offense, yet one team made the playoffs by one point and the other set a franchise record for wins. The difference between the two is that the latter was not being carried by just a single player.

This all started with someone’s assertion (can’t recall if it was you) that the devils wouldn’t even be able to compete for a playoff spot without Jack. That’s not a reasonable line to draw. The 2017 devils without Hall would be a team that couldn’t compete for a playoff spot without their top player.
 

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I do worry if he struggles early (another Detroit home opener fiasco would be ill-timed, to put it mildly), how quickly and vociferously will the fans turn on him? He kinda needs to get off to a hot start to at least shake off the playoffs enough to play well in the regular season.
 

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The problem is that your argument holds no water. Hall and Hughes each contributed similarly to the devils offense, yet one team made the playoffs by one point and the other set a franchise record for wins. The difference between the two is that the latter was not being carried by just a single player.

This all started with someone’s assertion (can’t recall if it was you) that the devils wouldn’t even be able to compete for a playoff spot without Jack. That’s not a reasonable line to draw. The 2017 devils without Hall would be a team that couldn’t compete for a playoff spot without their top player.
It was a lot closer than you think.

2023 team had 39 registration wins
2018 team had 33 regulation wins.

You can argue that 6 games is a lot, and it is but that margin is only two bad weeks....or Corey shitting the bed in 2018.

And Jack was Huge in OT. He had points in 8 OT games in 2023. That alone is worth 16 points.
 

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It was a lot closer than you think.

2023 team had 39 registration wins
2018 team had 33 regulation wins.

You can argue that 6 games is a lot, and it is but that margin is only two bad weeks....or Corey shitting the bed in 2018.

And Jack was Huge in OT. He had points in 8 OT games in 2023. That alone is worth 16 points.

lol, come on. this is embarrassing even for you
 
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DevilsHughes86

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I do worry if he struggles early (another Detroit home opener fiasco would be ill-timed, to put it mildly), how quickly and vociferously will the fans turn on him? He kinda needs to get off to a hot start to at least shake off the playoffs enough to play well in the regular season.
And at the same time though, if he does get off to a shaky start it might not be a bad thing, Fitzy will know that one way or another he needs to act up fast and get a capable goalie.
 

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What is the premise of thr argument at this point? It seems to have morphed?
I wouldn't say morph as much as sharp changes page to page. That way it stays as a pick your own adventure that you already read, you can just decide what adventure (argument) you want to be having with any given post and there are no losers. Everyone is happy.

If people were held to arguments they were responding to, this thread alone with be an 1/8 of the size.
 

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I wouldn't say morph as much as sharp changes page to page. That way it stays as a pick your own adventure that you already read, you can just decide what adventure (argument) you want to be having with any given post and there are no losers. Everyone is happy.

If people were held to arguments they were responding to, this thread alone with be an 1/8 of the size.
I just completely lost the train of thought of what was being discussed and then it just leads to more posts about classic rock and pizza and divorce lawyer jokes.

Edit - to bring this back on topic it looks like NJ may finally be past the PTO stage. While they could use one at goalie they really don’t have room for one at forward or defense given how many young players they still want to integrate into the lineup.
 
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I just completely lost the train of thought of what was being discussed and then it just leads to more posts about classic rock and pizza and divorce lawyer jokes.

Edit - to bring this back on topic it looks like NJ may finally be past the PTO stage. While they could use one at goalie they really don’t have room for one at forward or defense given how many young players they still want to integrate into the lineup.

You never pass the PTO stage. Maybe the team doesn’t need one this year but we have them in the near future.

Top teams bring in PTOs, I don’t see why people see it as a badge of shame. Yes, this is a pet peeve of mine lol. Justice for PTOs!
 

My3Sons

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You never pass the PTO stage. Maybe the team doesn’t need one this year but we have them in the near future.

Top teams bring in PTOs, I don’t see why people see it as a badge of shame. Yes, this is a pet peeve of mine lol. Justice for PTOs!
I guess to me the team was actually trying to find guys to play meaningful minutes with PTOs. Stafford comes to mind. Was Gibbons a PTO? To me it was a sign of a team without enough talent and depth. With NJ having both now it's a step forward to me. I'm not against one as a backup type of player - as I noted, I could see one being helpful as a goalie - but the lack of need for a PTO at forward or defense - even if just for one year - is a nice thing in my view.
 

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How Can Vitek Vanecek Regain Fans Trust?

Answer :
By not sucking in the Playoffs? :dunno:



I mean I still trust him in the regular season.

It's the postseason where he has to prove a ton.


His history suggests it won't happen, but guess we'll see. It's probably a mental thing at this point, I think he's skilled enough to succeed.
 
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I guess to me the team was actually trying to find guys to play meaningful minutes with PTOs. Stafford comes to mind. Was Gibbons a PTO? To me it was a sign of a team without enough talent and depth. With NJ having both now it's a step forward to me. I'm not against one as a backup type of player - as I noted, I could see one being helpful as a goalie - but the lack of need for a PTO at forward or defense - even if just for one year - is a nice thing in my view.

:mad: worthless...got lucky with the bratt injury...brett seney put up the exact same stat line as him in 6 less games....... 5-8-13

and stafford never played another nhl game after that season....a warm body for the roster indeed
 
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Poppy Whoa Sonnet

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Tbh, it's wild to me how concussions weren't taken more seriously in those days. I understand that they didn't know all we know today, but it's wild. Suffering 4-5 concussions in the span of 2 years is absolutely insane.
So many guys you'd hear were out for concussions and for a long time, and it was just kind of confusing. Why? Out from a big hit? No broken bones or muscle tears? Adam Deadmarsh's career ending due to concussions was kind of the wake up call for me I remember. Also once Scott Stevens's career ended suddenly without fanfare due to concussions it was really clear this stuff was not a joke.

That was 20 years ago, nothing really changed though until the summer of 2011 when Belak, Boogaard, and Rypien all died. Everything though really is downstream from the NFL and Chris Benoit and the shit storms there.
 

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Hamilton had 7 points (2G and 5A) in OT and there’s a weirdo contingent that both hates him and wishes he wasn’t on the team.
My son has two Hamilton jerseys and will get a stadium series one with his name. To him he was a major factor in our rebirth. Of course he’s too young to remember when we were amazing for 20 years but whatever
 
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