Devils Team Discussion (current team/player news and notes) ‎2014-2015 Part XVIII

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Stevens HC and Larry Robinson comes back as Assistant for the D or McLellan as HC is my vote.

Why do yo like McLellan so much? You do realize that he coaches (until this season) a perennial powerhouse that probably should have been to the finals at least once during his time there? San Jose hasn't been a great team because of him.

And I'm also convinced that they aren't a mediocre team because of him this year either. I think it's the fallout from the playoff choke last Spring and the GM making a fool out himself and the fans.

It's not on Todd, I just don't think he's that great.

Would have rather Trotz or Laviolette this past offseason. Both have gotten farther with worst teams. Nashville had a mediocre roster for years and were a playoff team for Trotz for a lot of them. The current Nashville isn't that great, yet they led the league in points for a while this year under Lavi. Still better than the trash that Poile gave Trotz to ice last year.

Meanwhile we gave Dumbeor a two year extension, only to eat the last 75% of the deal.
 
This times a zillion. It's not even so much that I don't like what he's doing with us, aside from the PP and the righty/lefty crap. His tenure in Washington was horrific. It seems like everyone in their locker room is happy that he's gone. I knew he wouldn't be a good head coach before he ever even coached a game for them.

I don't think McLellan is really a good coach at all. I'm not a fan of his in the slightest. I don't blame him for the current situation in San Jose though. His GM just opened up a huge can of worms the other day too. And then Thornton added logs to the fire by making retaliatory comments public to the media.


I don't think he will be either. Chris Lamoriello is technically the assistant GM of the team. That's who most GM's would send to these meetings of they couldn't make it.

I don't think it rules out Lamoriello Jr getting the job, it just doesn't mean he's next in line either.

Agreed that T-Mac was given a raw deal by Wilson/Thorton/Marleau. Even though he is very open minded to letting young guys play, his system is just a bad fit for the players we currently have on the team and I couldn't see Lou going for a style of play that put defense on the back burner like that.

I don't have a clue who the next GM would be but I don't think the owners would sign off on Chris to be honest. I could see Marty eventually getting that job before Chris L.
 
Ya Chris might just stay down in Albany or get a different high level role in the organization. I don't think he will be handed the keys.

As for the coach I expect out of the box. The key to me (and this is just a hunch) is Stevens. I don't know Lou wants him to leave again and will insist any new coach to keep him on staff as an on the bench assistant.
 
Just please don't tell Guy I said this, he would be very mad with me.:laugh:

I think he's done as an NHL head coach though, at least for now. He's got a better shot at an assistant somewhere first.

I think he's in the same boat as DeBoer, Muller, Dineen, Paul MacLean.

MacLean's actually made the playoffs 2 out of 4 years. I would say it was more because of insane goaltending than his coaching.

Even Pittsburgh made them look like fools in the playoffs this year. That's when it hit me that they didn't belong, and they probably would have spun out if it were an 82 game season. They only killed Montreal because they seem to be their ***** and a favorable matchup.
 
Why do yo like McLellan so much? You do realize that he coaches (until this season) a perennial powerhouse that probably should have been to the finals at least once during his time there? San Jose hasn't been a great team because of him.

And I'm also convinced that they aren't a mediocre team because of him this year either. I think it's the fallout from the playoff choke last Spring and the GM making a fool out himself and the fans.

It's not on Todd, I just don't think he's that great.

Would have rather Trotz or Laviolette this past offseason. Both have gotten farther with worst teams. Nashville had a mediocre roster for years and were a playoff team for Trotz for a lot of them. The current Nashville isn't that great, yet they led the league in points for a while this year under Lavi. Still better than the trash that Poile gave Trotz to ice last year.

Meanwhile we gave Dumbeor a two year extension, only to eat the last 75% of the deal.

Last 5 years 5on5, Close
5th in GF%, 4th in SF%, 3rd in FF%, 6th in CF%, 24th in Sh% and 4th Sv%.

They been one of the betters team in the league. As a coach since 2008-09 he has a .640 PTS%. (Babcock has been .653 PTS% in DET). Todd is a very good coach and I think it is silly to look for coaches that did well with crappy teams.

I would have been okay with Trotz since I like his system, but Laviolette isn't that great of a coach.
 
Last 5 years 5on5, Close
5th in GF%, 4th in SF%, 3rd in FF%, 6th in CF%, 24th in Sh% and 4th Sv%.

They been one of the betters team in the league. As a coach since 2008-09 he has a .640 PTS%. (Babcock has been .653 PTS% in DET). Todd is a very good coach and I think it is silly to look for coaches that did well with crappy teams.

I would have been okay with Trotz since I like his system, but Laviolette isn't that great of a coach.

Laviolette is good for the first two years then he wears off.

That's what it's always seemed like to me at least.
 
Last 5 years 5on5, Close
5th in GF%, 4th in SF%, 3rd in FF%, 6th in CF%, 24th in Sh% and 4th Sv%.

They been one of the betters team in the league. As a coach since 2008-09 he has a .640 PTS%. (Babcock has been .653 PTS% in DET). Todd is a very good coach and I think it is silly to look for coaches that did well with crappy teams.

I would have been okay with Trotz since I like his system, but Laviolette isn't that great of a coach.

And you don't think maybe the fact that he had one of the best rosters in the league might have something to do with his point percentage? We're not talking about a mediocre roster here. This year they have a mediocre roster and aren't that good, and I'm not blaming that much on Todd. What I am saying though, do you think if he coached Florida and New Jersey since 08-09, would he still be a head coach in the NHL? Unless you think he would have done better in those places than PDB, which I think he very well could have. A guinea pig would be able to coach better than DeBoer, at least I'm convinced.

McLellan is an average coach in my mind. Maybe he's better than I give him credit for, but it's not like he's won all those games with an average roster. You're talking one of the best rosters in the league for quite a while of his time there.

My point is at a lot of coaches are jocked because they coach such great teams with strong and stacked rosters. Quenneville is one of the best coaches in my mind. Not because of what he's done in Chicago, as much as what he did with a mediocre St Louis team in the early 00s.
 
I can't really blame McLellan too much for their playoff woes when he never knows what he's getting in goal. I know, Niemi has a Cup, but how much of that was really him? His stats from those playoffs weren't all that impressive. With the Sharks he's only been really good for one playoff run. Then last year he couldn't stop a damn thing for 4 games against LA.
 
I can't really blame McLellan too much for their playoff woes when he never knows what he's getting in goal. I know, Niemi has a Cup, but how much of that was really him? His stats from those playoffs weren't all that impressive. With the Sharks he's only been really good for one playoff run. Then last year he couldn't stop a damn thing for 4 games against LA.

He was the Sharks best player in the 2013 playoffs. He gave them more than their fair share chance to win the series against the Kings that year.

He wasn't that bad for the Sharks in last year's playoffs. Not like Ryan Miller was for the Blues.

This is the bottom line though and that's what I always tell Sharks fans, Niemi is a league average goaltender. He's still the best goaltender they have on their roster by far, and he's still better than both of the top UFA goalies that were signed last year. Ryan Miller (who some Sharks fans were pining for and still are wondering why he wasn't signed) hasn't even been as good as Niemi this year. Neither has Hiller, and Hiller is an average goaltender at best for the better part of his career. Miller hasn't been the same since he left Buffalo and is 35 years old now, 3 years older than Niemi. Also paid a hell of a lot more. Niemi gets **** on way too much by Sharks fans. The guy isn't even close to an elite goaltender, but he's no worse than average either. Stalock was in net for game 6 of the LA series last season, after Niemi wasn't good in game 5 and was pulled in games 4 and 5. I backed this decision at the time, but it wound up not making a difference. I was furious on one of the goals that wasn't whistled in game 6 of that series. It was the go ahead goal and reminded me of one of the goals in the 2012 SCF when the whistle wasn't blown when Marty had the puck covered. After seeing replay footage after the fact, it appears the whistle wasn't blown because the puck was still visible after squeaking between Stalock's pads. That goal in game 5 might have been the end of the series for the Sharks. Their 1st period in game 5 was probably the dagger though.

All of that aside, I don't blame McLellan too much for the playoff woes either. I don't blame him for this season so much anymore either. This recent junk with DW and Joe Thornton might have made things either worse.

Doug made an idiot out of the fanbase and himself when he suggested they were rebuilding after last year. Then he went back on it and said ''Well when I say rebuild, it isn't the same as what most consider a rebuild''. He isn't a bad GM IMO, but I think his expiration date is nearing with the Sharks.

I still think Tmac should go after this year, it appears he may have lost the team. I'm getting that feeling lately. And it's not his fault but when that happens, it's clear that the coach has reached his expiration date.
 
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Thornton and Marleau having NTC really handcuffed Wilson from making the big changes he was talking about. You have to wonder what's going on behind closed doors there.

I don't know if McLellan would work here, or if he would even want to coach this team. I would prefer somebody with previous head coaching experience. I like Stevens as an assistant, but I'm not sure I would want to put him in as the head coach yet. Although I guess we'll never know if we don't try it.
 
He might not pick, but he will definitely have a say.

What do you guys think about Guy Boucher as coach for next year, if we miss out on Babcock and McLellan or whoever else becomes available?

I like Guy. I think Chris will get serious consideration, as he's basically been groomed for the job for a while now. I used to hate the idea, but I don't think he should be blamed for the Albany team's record necessarily. I've grown to the idea of Chris following his ol' man.
 
How I imagined Tootoo before he came here.

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What IS this? :biglaugh:

Never mind, I just read what it was.
 
Thornton and Marleau having NTC really handcuffed Wilson from making the big changes he was talking about. You have to wonder what's going on behind closed doors there.

I don't know if McLellan would work here, or if he would even want to coach this team. I would prefer somebody with previous head coaching experience. I like Stevens as an assistant, but I'm not sure I would want to put him in as the head coach yet. Although I guess we'll never know if we don't try it.
I would prefer a head coach with experience as well. I guess I couldn't be too mad if Oates was brought back as an assistant, but I don't want him as a head coach. If I had a choice between him and McLellan, I'm going McLellan easily. Oates time in Washington was particularly ugly. Not just the record of the team, but he was not well liked in the locker room and was not very good with Holtby particularly. Not even sure why he had any business or control over trying to change a goaltender's game. It's not like he was a former goalie like Patrick Roy. Just too much bad stuff went on in Washington with him.
i want larry robinson back though

hopefully he wants to because there is no way Lou would say no to him.
I don't think he'll be part of a purge in San Jose. He has a player development job with the Sharks now. He's not just a coach there. It's funny that he said when given the job of director of player development that he wouldn't be going on as many road trips or be on the bench as much this year. I swear he's been behind the bench for most games this season.
 
Robinson left for family reasons. For his wife's benefit and so they could be closer to his grandkids. I don't anything has changed for him to want to come back east.
 
I like Guy. I think Chris will get serious consideration, as he's basically been groomed for the job for a while now. I used to hate the idea, but I don't think he should be blamed for the Albany team's record necessarily. I've grown to the idea of Chris following his ol' man.

My gutfeeling tells me the same.
 
Arizona has been horrendous with Tippett the last three seasons with similar talent to the Devils. What makes people think he's going to come in here and start winning with an equivalent roster? I'll take Boucher, seems to fit out organization's profile.
 
In regards to Boucher, if we are going to go for a guy that sits in the neutral zone and counter attacks, why not just stick with Stevens?

I would rather Stevens stick primarily to D and groom these young guys.

Plus, Stevens has never been a head coach at any level, I don't think he should start in the NHL.
 
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Lamoriello said again the Devils need to add two scoring forwards this offseason.

Tom Gulitti @TGfireandice
Lamoriello said he will wait until after season to conduct coaching search and there is no rush to name a new head coach for next season.
 
Tom Gulitti @TGfireandice
Lamoriello said again the Devils need to add two scoring forwards this offseason.

Tom Gulitti @TGfireandice
Lamoriello said he will wait until after season to conduct coaching search and there is no rush to name a new head coach for next season.

im surprised he didn't follow up with "when time is on your side you use it"
 
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