Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - playoff edition

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It's weird seeing Jake Allen on Sportsnet covering the playoffs as an analyst. This whole Daws 1 way deal might be the reason we dont try to keep Allen. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him back for a 1 or 2 year deal....
The goaltending free agent market this year is dire, so inevitably someone is going to overpay for Jake Allen as possibly the best name on the market. I don't want the Devils to be the team holding the bag. Daws isn't so underwhelming that we'd be significantly worse choosing him as the backup.
I really dont see how the Rangers get markedly better unless its with some type of big shake-up trade

Shesty is great but that can only carry you so far. All their best forwards are ancient and they don't have much in terms of young guns/prospects.
I think that they'll bounce back enough to be a wild card team. They're not very good but I don't see them going through another stretch of 16 games or so where they were arguably the worst team in the NHL. I'm not familiar with Sullivan's system, though, so if he isn't good with the defensive structure that they desperately need, I might end up being wrong.
 
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My concern is that we almost certainly will be dealing with extended absences from Jack and Nico. I think we just have to factor it in at this point, specifically with Jack. And, factoring that in, I'm concerned. Not that I think Montreal, Ottawa or Columbus are huge threats, but I'm concerned one of them could bump us if the inevitable Jack and Nico injuries are long term next season.

It will be interesting to see if Fitz panics again after losing to Carolina, again, or just writes it off to injuries.
Its need not to panic, its need to draw conclusions and act accordingly. To do this, the Devils must find a player who will either play the role of a third line center, but is capable of being competent enough as a second line center, or find a winger in the top 6 who is capable of playing center. Both are possible. But for this, substantial work needs to be done to free the cap.
And its not about only next season. Montreal and Columbus will going to be better and better.
 
I really dont see how the Rangers get markedly better unless its with some type of big shake-up trade

Shesty is great but that can only carry you so far. All their best forwards are ancient and they don't have much in terms of young guns/prospects.
Shestyorkin can take a part of our points by his own in better shape, Perrault can make an impact, Othmann can make a next step to be NHLer, Lafreniere and Cuylle will develop, overall their team can take a part of our points. This team were president trophy winner year ago, and even with some aging guys, they still have Panarin (yap, NHL. business), Shestyorkin, Fox and some young NHLers and pre-NHLers I named before who can help them to return to the play off hunt and take away some parts of our points.
 
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meh, we've been hearing about Othmann for years and he is 22 (23 early next season) and can't crack their lineup yet. Two points in 22 NHL games. Not sure we have anything to worry about there.
So because Othamann didnt crack their line up yet so we should not worry about rangers at all? That was his first season, its not the time to pencil him out. And its not a time at all to pencil out rangers because one 21 yo rookie didnt pan out yet or even will never pan out. He is the most minor piece on this list.
 
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So because Othamann didnt crack their line up yet so we should not worry about rangers at all? That was his first season, its not the time to pencil him out. And its not a time at all to pencil out rangers because one 21 yo rookie didnt pan out yet or even will never pan out. He is the most minor piece on this list.

I already gave my reasons why I don't think the Rangers are nothing to worry about unless they make a major move. Their best centers are 32 and 33 years old and stunk this year Plus, their prospects are nothing exciting.

Way more worried about Carolina/Washington moving forward.
 
I already gave my reasons why I don't think the Rangers are nothing to worry about unless they make a major move. Their best centers are 32 and 33 years old and stunk this year Plus, their prospects are nothing exciting.

Way more worried about Carolina/Washington moving forward.
Shestyorkin can take a part of our points by his own in better shape, Perreault can make an impact, Othmann can make a next step to be NHLer, Lafreniere and Cuylle will develop, overall their team can take a part of our points. This team were president trophy winner year ago, and even with some aging guys, they still have Panarin (yap, NHL. business), Shestyorkin, Fox and some young NHLers and pre-NHLers I named before who can help them to return to the play off hunt and take away some parts of our points.

I already gave my reasons why I think the Rangers are something to worry about. Our best centers are loving to being hurt, our offensive prospects are nothing exciting. And Shestyorkin is still better in his bad year than Markstrom.

And Rangers are loving to make major moves.
 
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So because Othamann didnt crack their line up yet so we should not worry about rangers at all? That was his first season, it’s not the time to pencil him out. And it’s not a time at all to pencil out rangers because one 21 yo rookie didnt pan out yet or even will never pan out. He is the most minor piece on this list.
We complain about our player development but who was the last Ranger prospect to really live up to a high billing? Adam Fox was already pretty well developed before getting there but if you want to name him that was a few years ago. Lafreniere hasn’t even been close to living up to his billing other than maybe two years ago, then he regressed again this year. Kakko had to leave to blossom and those are just the guys who weren’t outright busts. Shesterkin was also a few years ago, not even a highly rated prospect and goalies are different, they do churn out goalies like nobody’s business. Skaters otoh…
 
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We complain about our player development but who was the last Ranger prospect to really live up to a high billing? Adam Fox was already pretty well developed before getting there but if you want to name him that was a few years ago. Lafreniere hasn’t even been close to living up to his billing other than maybe two years ago, then he regressed again this year. Kakko had to leave to blossom and those are just the guys who weren’t outright busts.

Between awhile ... Can't even remember someone recent.

Carl hagelin is the last guy I remember who everyone was happy with. He was sort of a random Bratt out of the 6th round so not really high billing, lol.
 
Laf stinks lol definitely am not worried about him

Cuylle looks like a nice middle-6 player
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nope.

We complain about our player development but who was the last Ranger prospect to really live up to a high billing? Adam Fox was already pretty well developed before getting there but if you want to name him that was a few years ago. Lafreniere hasn’t even been close to living up to his billing other than maybe two years ago, then he regressed again this year. Kakko had to leave to blossom and those are just the guys who weren’t outright busts. Shesterkin was also a few years ago, not even a highly rated prospect and goalies are different, they do churn out goalies like nobody’s business. Skaters otoh…

I dont care about living expectations. Its an empty thing to worry about. The thing to worry about is how rangers will deep enough with Laf, Cuylle, Panarin, Miller and Fox ahead of Shestyorkin next year to make some damage in games against Devils to cut some of our points against them, especially if Devils will continue to have problems with 13-86 injuries.

And still I said that Devils should be top-3 metro team.

If we are starting to talk about their prospect development - they are not good. But still they are quite good at drafting and we never know who will and who will not pan out. Im not the one who will call Perreault as a bust even if I wasnt a fan of him on the draft because of his skating.
For example our forward draft is sh1tty bad. We cant even name a one forward from Fitz era(outside first round, where we were bad with drafting forwards too) who has clear path to NHL - even Lenny has a road to walk through to be NHLer. Our best forward prospect was Gritsyuk for all this years.
 
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We complain about our player development but who was the last Ranger prospect to really live up to a high billing? Adam Fox was already pretty well developed before getting there but if you want to name him that was a few years ago. Lafreniere hasn’t even been close to living up to his billing other than maybe two years ago, then he regressed again this year. Kakko had to leave to blossom and those are just the guys who weren’t outright busts. Shesterkin was also a few years ago, not even a highly rated prospect and goalies are different, they do churn out goalies like nobody’s business. Skaters otoh…
Rangers have been making shitty high picks since the dawn of time.

Original 6 Bro...did you say "Original shit"?
 
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We complain about our player development but who was the last Ranger prospect to really live up to a high billing?
Absolutely nobody comes to mind. I'm not kidding. I was going to say Ryan McDonagh, but he was drafted by the Habs and did a lot of his development at Wisconsin before going over to the AHL. And since I don't consider Adam Fox to be a Rangers developed prospect, I have to reject McDonagh by that same logic. It's been a problem for decades.

My mind always goes back to someone on the Rangers board saying that we should hold up Bratt and Jack Hughes as guys we can hang our hats on for 15 years, and that they haven't had one of those since Rod Gilbert.
 
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We complain about our player development but who was the last Ranger prospect to really live up to a high billing? Adam Fox was already pretty well developed before getting there but if you want to name him that was a few years ago. Lafreniere hasn’t even been close to living up to his billing other than maybe two years ago, then he regressed again this year. Kakko had to leave to blossom and those are just the guys who weren’t outright busts. Shesterkin was also a few years ago, not even a highly rated prospect and goalies are different, they do churn out goalies like nobody’s business. Skaters otoh…
Kreider is the first one that comes to mind, and he was mostly a college product. Shestyerkin developed in the KHL and didn't get high billing until he excelled there.


edit: 2009 draft class, 15 years ago.
 
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This is Alex Laferriere, the Kings player (and New Jersey native). Alex Lafreniere ranked 356th in GF% this season.

I dont care about living expectations. Its an empty thing to worry about. The thing to worry about is how rangers will deep enough with Laf, Cuylle, Panarin, Miller and Fox ahead of Shestyorkin next year to make some damage in games against Devils to cut some of our points against them, especially if Devils will continue to have problems with 13-86 injuries.

And still I said that Devils should be top-3 metro team.

If we are starting to talk about their prospect development - they are not good. But still they are quite good at drafting and we never know who will and who will not pan out. Im not the one who will call Perreault as a bust even if I wasnt a fan of him on the draft because of his skating.

I think the Rangers get back into the playoffs but I don't think that team is very good at all. Shesterkin is probably what gets them in. I think the Devils match up really well against the Rangers.
 
This is Alex Laferriere, the Kings player (and New Jersey native). Alex Lafreniere ranked 356th in GF% this season.



I think the Rangers get back into the playoffs but I don't think that team is very good at all. Shesterkin is probably what gets them in. I think the Devils match up really well against the Rangers.
damn. how could I missed that hard. My mistake.
Anyway Im not ready to not name him as a meh player. He is annoying even with his cheating.

I never said that they will return to president trophy shape, but I said they will not be sloppy and will be a team to play against until Shestyorkin is playing there. Devils were not great this season either and the only addition they made is Gritsyuk for now. For now they dont have any more cap. And when we are talking about "if" - same is working for rangers.
 
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My concern is that we almost certainly will be dealing with extended absences from Jack and Nico. I think we just have to factor it in at this point, specifically with Jack. And, factoring that in, I'm concerned. Not that I think Montreal, Ottawa or Columbus are huge threats, but I'm concerned one of them could bump us if the inevitable Jack and Nico injuries are long term next season.

It will be interesting to see if Fitz panics again after losing to Carolina, again, or just writes it off to injuries.
Im more of the hope that Jack gets past all this. Bratt got through early career wear down/injuries. Hopefully jack can too.

But the current scenario of Jack being hurt every year is a franchise killer.
 
Rangers will probably deal Zibanijad(hunch) to open up space. I worry they go after Ehlers. I HOPE I'm wrong.

Hate talking so much Rangers in this thread but the guy whose first big decision as GM was to trade away Pavel Buchnevich for a shitty 'power forward' probably has no interest in Ehlers.
 
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Im more of the hope that Jack gets past all this. Bratt got through early career wear down/injuries. Hopefully jack can too.

But the current scenario of Jack being hurt every year is a franchise killer.
I'd have Jack spend whatever time he needs after his shoulder rehab to work on overall strengthening before his return. Even if he starts the season a bit late. They need him more at the end of the season than at the beginning.
 
Tom probably needed shoulder surgery from jerking himself off so much based on the offseason he thought he pulled off.
I’m thinking maybe he had throat surgery at some point after the deadline. Since he usually doesn’t wait this long to talk. And he seems to love to hear himself talk. So maybe he’ll show up to the presser with one of these

 
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