Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - playoff edition

[JimEIV]

Paul Martin likes this.

That was 16 years ago old man.

 

[Cheddabombs]

How long until it's announced Gritsyuk had shoulder surgery

 

[TrufleShufle]

How long until it's announced Gritsyuk had shoulder surgery

They wouldn't let him sign it until he got surgery done, so this announcement is one in the same.

 

[JimEIV]

Nevermind

 

[Nocashstyle]

Gritsyuk seems like at worst, immediate improved bottom 6 depth…with a chance at a higher ceiling. I’m excited to see what he can do.

 

[Guadana]

I’ve completely changed my tune and was likely way too hard on the kid. I would be really disappointed if we dealt him. If Quinn is a Devil in a year or two, Nemec is a much better fit from a roster construction standpoint than Casey. The latter’s skill set wouldn’t be properly utilized without PP time. I like Casey a lot but if I had to choose now, I’d keep Simon.

Feels like Van dont want do deal Quinn for now and ready to wait until the ring will bell. Even with Larkins disappointment I believe Yzerman will not deal him, Detroit has very good young core but Kasper and Danielson dont look like first line level center and they were not on the draft, so for yzerman its a core part to save in Larkin figure.
So I dont know any other player who is very good to deal Nemec for and is available for a trade now.

Paul Martin likes this.

At least we saved some sort of traditions.

 

[thebeernerd]

Every team's fans hate their medical staff so I'm a little hesitant to say we're worse off than the average NHL team. It's a funny meme though.

 

[thebeernerd]

we need new shoulder pads... I believe these will prevent anyone from going after our guys again!

Devils Science Team needs to research the Chozo for the finest in giant shoulder pad technology.

 

[tailfins]

I wonder if Fitz could get into the Isaac Howard sweeps. Could Daws + a pick get it done? Tampa is likely in market for a backup to Vasi.

 

[Bcap88]

Learning how to fall lol

Going head first into the boards no matter how you learn to fall that’s never good

 

[devsfan8]

Nashville is low on RHD. Also Josi is leaning towards retiring. I wonder if Dougie is an option for Nashville. And maybe hence that's how Fitz gets O'Reilly after all? A sweetener might be Casey and/or a 2nd.

Trying to think of sensible trades where Dougie makes sense.

 

[NJDevs26]

Iits not the first time we have questions and issues with our medical stuff.

I’m not even sure it’s the medical staff entirely (although the abnormal amount of shoulder injuries might suggest something is amiss), maybe it’s just too much letting the players call the shots and ‘not’ relying on medical advice, we have an old school GM who was an ex player so he probably agrees with letting the players have more agency than they should, hell Dillon might have gotten back into Game 2 if his repeated falls weren’t so scary. Nico came back too soon last year and got injured again in short order, among other instances where guys were mismanaged.

 

[Nocashstyle]

I’m not even sure it’s the medical staff entirely (although the abnormal amount of shoulder injuries might suggest something is amiss), maybe it’s just too much letting the players call the shots and ‘not’ relying on medical advice, we have an old school GM who was an ex player so he probably agrees with letting the players have more agency than they should, hell Dillon might have gotten back into Game 2 if his repeated falls weren’t so scary. Nico came back too soon last year and got injured again in short order, among other instances where guys were mismanaged.

This is absolutely a giant leap

 

[FooteBahl]

Learning how to fall lol

Going head first into the boards no matter how you learn to fall that’s never good

We need 25 inflatable motorcycle jackets STAT!

 

[NjDevsRR]

I think the narrative on the medical staff is overblown. These are professionals in a billion dollar industry. People are getting paranoid because there have been so many injuries over the last two years and it makes it easy to assume something off is going on with the staff.

 

[HoliksGhost]

Remember Zajacs self imposed injury?

 

[tailfins]

Nashville is low on RHD. Also Josi is leaning towards retiring. I wonder if Dougie is an option for Nashville. And maybe hence that's how Fitz gets O'Reilly after all? A sweetener might be Casey and/or a 2nd.

Trying to think of sensible trades where Dougie makes sense.

I like your thinking.

I have a feeling that a Dougie, Palat, or Haula trade is unlikely, so I was oriented to getting in forwards on ELC.

Personally, I agree with @Bleedred on Daws - I don't think he has much of a future here. Dealing him while he's cheap and when he's coming off of some good NHL performances may maximize his value.

I think Vilen and Edwards as young LD probably don't have much future here either. Not sure if they have a lot of trade value though.

Really, Fitz ought to pursue both options in parallel (finding ELC forwards and getting rid of a big salary).

 

[JimEIV]

Remember when Brian Leetch slipped on ice and broke his ankle getting out of a car in NYC...

I still find that hilarious that a hockey player slipped on ice and broke his ankle. I'm laughing now just thinking about it.

 

[Guadana]

I wonder if Fitz could get into the Isaac Howard sweeps. Could Daws + a pick get it done? Tampa is likely in market for a backup to Vasi.

I would like to be in bidding wars for Howard. Even if we will lose it.

I’m not even sure it’s the medical staff entirely (although the abnormal amount of shoulder injuries might suggest something is amiss), maybe it’s just too much letting the players call the shots and ‘not’ relying on medical advice, we have an old school GM who was an ex player so he probably agrees with letting the players have more agency than they should, hell Dillon might have gotten back into Game 2 if his repeated falls weren’t so scary. Nico came back too soon last year and got injured again in short order, among other instances where guys were mismanaged.

In theory, there should be some kind of differentiation of responsibility, the money (or part of the money) for treatment is paid by insurance companies. I can barely imagine the details, but it's as if in a situation where a player is injured, someone with appropriate authority should be responsible for his admission or non-admission to the ice. Perhaps we should worry not about specific specialists, whose competence is difficult to assess without context, but about the vertical of what you are talking about. I quite agree with that. The general feeling over the past few years has been that something is not working right.

 

[Guadana]

I think the narrative on the medical staff is overblown. These are professionals in a billion dollar industry. People are getting paranoid because there have been so many injuries over the last two years and it makes it easy to assume something off is going on with the staff.

I would agree if there were no Minnesota Wild stuff that had multiply issue with not healthy players going injured again after return to the ice, they were responsible for Kaprizovs reinjury. And the same situation were on the ice when the same stuff worked for USA on the tourney of 3.5 nations and M Tkachuk found himself on the ice after injury and missed games after that because he wasnt fully healthy.

 

[longislanddevil]

Feels like Van dont want do deal Quinn for now and ready to wait until the ring will bell. Even with Larkins disappointment I believe Yzerman will not deal him, Detroit has very good young core but Kasper and Danielson dont look like first line level center and they were not on the draft, so for yzerman its a core part to save in Larkin figure.
So I dont know any other player who is very good to deal Nemec for and is available for a trade now.


At least we saved some sort of traditions.

Seems like I’m in the minority who is fine waiting for Quinn to become UFA if he is cost prohibitive in a trade. I’d be willing to deal Mercer, Casey, Lenni….but I really do not want to trade Nemec.

 

[Guadana]

Seems like I’m in the minority who is fine waiting for Quinn to become UFA if he is cost prohibitive in a trade. I’d be willing to deal Mercer, Casey, Lenni….but I really do not want to trade Nemec.

Im in the middle. I think Quinn is very attractive and some team will offer more than we have.
And yeah, I would prefer to save Nemec.

 

[RSeen]

Nashville is low on RHD. Also Josi is leaning towards retiring. I wonder if Dougie is an option for Nashville. And maybe hence that's how Fitz gets O'Reilly after all? A sweetener might be Casey and/or a 2nd.

Trying to think of sensible trades where Dougie makes sense.

What is this based on? Is there an actual source on this?

 

[JK3]

 

[Bad Goalie]

Imagine if he played in AHL with some sort of pain and didnt want to hurt himself in a B-level league. Sounds reasonable.

I hope its huge unluck. From mathematical perspective next season should be better. The problem in our case is the injuries can repeat itself that making reinjury as more realistical outcome.

Will see how it goes. For the beginning Nemec should not be a part of the trade for Larkin/Hughes/some other big name. He looks great in playoff, so if he will stay I think we will see even better defense next season with more experienced Luke and Nemec. Hope all of them will be healthy to start the season.

It makes sense since it could explain the disinterested and totally averse to contact style he played in Utica. If one is injured and doesn't want to make it worse, staying out of harm's way at all costs would be the way to accomplish that outcome. It would drive a fan base at any level watching such an uninvolved high draft pick play such a style. However, would have been understandable had those watching known the reason for it. It would also drive those fans crazy for an explanation as to why a management and medical staff would put said player on the ice in the first place.

Did Simon keep it a secret or did NJ tell him to play through it? Either answer would be unacceptable and the medical people should have been able to diagnose an injury of that level simply by how his play was obviously affected.