Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - playoff edition

[Hisch13r]

One take; but maybe youre right about Quinn

But not sure how a team thatd be running Haula Glass Noesen as their third line, and then likely Cotter and two AHLers as our fourth, is a contender

This all doesnt even include paying Luke. So were adding 9+7.85 and only removing 9 (if we dont retain) plus 7.5 in a cap increase

So that leaves us less than zero dollars, approximately -300k in debt, to add to the offense...

Not sure why you think that’d be the extent of their moves. If we were to get Quinn I imagine both Nemec and Mercer are also out the door. That happens you have ~6 mil in space. You’d need a 3C and ideally a top 6er. For 6 mil obviously yeah you’re not getting both of those. If you’re getting Quinn though you’re going to be looking to maximize these 2 years. That’d also mean finding a way to move on from Palat as well. Now you have ~12 mil. Palms is still a quality 2nd line talent that we could probably get for a good deal. Idk say 4.5 mil. Now you’re at ~7.5. Let’s say the 3C pickup is another 4.5. That leaves you with 3 mil left to pick up a 3rd liner. You’ve got a lineup that looks something like this

Bratt-Jack-Gritsyuk
Timo-Nico-Palms
X-X-Noesen
Cotter-Glass-Haula

Quinn-Pesce
Siegs-Kovy
Dillon-Luke

That’s a contending group to me. Do I think the forwards are perfect? No but you’ve added arguably the best D in the world and if the forwards end up needing some help then address it at the TDL

I‘ll take having slightly worse forward group next year than we could have without Quinn to guarantee we have him

 

[woody footbreaker]

Plus Suter for $6 mil seems a bit much for my liking

as much as i would like to assemble half of switzerland, i dont think suter is what we need. his numbers are bumped from playing with quinn and sporadicly on their top lines, otherwise he was relying on fast and heavy guys like sherwood and joshua which we dont have really.
at 5´11 and being one of the slowest (see the list that was posted here couple days ago), its the opposite what would be looking for. have to say he was pretty clutch for second half of the season. afp midseason proj had him at 4x4mil, think it will be more eventually

 

[Hisch13r]

I meant if the desire to play with Luke and Jack is as significant as it's being made out to be.

No I know. I’m also saying that even if there were teams that’d try to swoop in and trade for him to lure him away from playing with his brothers probably wouldn’t even have the assets to outbid us. So for even the realistic teams that’d want to make a deal for him thinking they could re-sign him thus be willing to pay more than a pure I think we’d have the best package because those teams don’t have as much to offer.

 

[Hisch13r]

NJ only has four top assets in Jack Luke Nico and Bratt. Some excellent assets in Meier and Silayev. Then a bunch of good to meh stuff. First round picks for a perceived playoff team are good as is Mercer and then it trails off. I’d like to keep Silayev and all the assets above him. Not sure that leaves much for Vancouver to choose from. Can they sell Hamilton as a key piece of a package?

Dougie’s not going to want to go to a rebuilding Vancouver. Involving a 3rd team with Vancouver retaining half and the 3rd team giving Vancouver assets for a 4.5 mil Dougie would make sense though.

 

[devsfan8]

Being that for Dougie it's 10 team NTC this is just PURELY a guess, they might be all 7 Cnaada teams and the 3 California teams. But thats just purely speculation on my part.

As far as the lineup next season Timo really should be slotted on the RW in my opnion.

 

[Forge]

Being that for Dougie it's 10 team NTC this is just PURELY a guess, they might be all 7 Cnaada teams and the 3 California teams. But thats just purely speculation on my part.

As far as the lineup next season Timo really should be slotted on the RW in my opnion.

He doesn't have a 10 team no trade list. He has a 10 team trade list. He can be traded to ten teams

 

[woody footbreaker]

No I know. I’m also saying that even if there were teams that’d try to swoop in and trade for him to lure him away from playing with his brothers probably wouldn’t even have the assets to outbid us. So for even the realistic teams that’d want to make a deal for him thinking they could re-sign him thus be willing to pay more than a pure I think we’d have the best package because those teams don’t have as much to offer.

just curious, what would you be willing to sent the other way to get quinn early, where would you draw the line?

 

[Goptor]

Quinn is not getting traded early. Its not worth thinking about it.

He's said many times he loves Vancouver and has only said positive things about his teammates and coaches. If he gets traded early, the fans will riot and entire management group would get fired.

Just have to wait and see how much of a hot mess the team is in a year and a half and if he's tired of it.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Quinn is not getting traded early. Its not worth thinking about it.

He's said many times he loves Vancouver and has only said positive things about his teammates and coaches. If he gets traded early, the fans will riot and entire management group would get fired.

Just have to wait and see how much of a hot mess the team is in a year and a half and if he's tired of it.

The coach he loves turned down major money to leave Vancouver

 

[Billdo]

No I know. I’m also saying that even if there were teams that’d try to swoop in and trade for him to lure him away from playing with his brothers probably wouldn’t even have the assets to outbid us. So for even the realistic teams that’d want to make a deal for him thinking they could re-sign him thus be willing to pay more than a pure I think we’d have the best package because those teams don’t have as much to offer.

What do you think we'd offer? I honestly don't think this team should be gutting whatever resources it has. I'd wait out the two years tbh unless Van goes full stupid.

 

[Billdo]

Quinn is not getting traded early. Its not worth thinking about it.

He's said many times he loves Vancouver and has only said positive things about his teammates and coaches. If he gets traded early, the fans will riot and entire management group would get fired.

Just have to wait and see how much of a hot mess the team is in a year and a half and if he's tired of it.

Nobody comes out and says they hate their teams city or throws their coaches and teammates under the bus. Well almost nobody.

 

[Forge]

If Vancouver trades him this year, I doubt it's to the devils. I think it's unlikely they can put forward the best offer.

I don't expect them to move him yet though

 

[MadDevil]

He doesn't have any trade protection does he?

 

[Emperoreddy]

He doesn't have any trade protection does he?

No official protection. If he plays hard ball about not wanting to sign else where that could become soft trade protection

 

[Hisch13r]

What do you think we'd offer? I honestly don't think this team should be gutting whatever resources it has. I'd wait out the two years tbh unless Van goes full stupid.

I’m not going to go overboard but I rather wouldn’t wait if we don’t have to. In 2 years Quinn and Nico will both be on their next deals. I don’t think they move him before at the very least this deadline but having Quinn these 2 years would be massive. We’d have the best D group in the league. Arguably the best defenseman. There’s Luke that hit heights this year as being arguably the best Dman in the league for a 20 game stretch and has sky high potential. 3 high end shutdown D between Siegs/Kovy/Pesce with Siegs-Kovy that was the best shutdown pair in the league and outright one of the best pairs in the league. Forward group probably lags slightly behind what I’d want it to be if you get Quinn but it improves the D group, guarantees you have an all world player, and with how great Quinn is offensively he can help offset a slightly worse forward group.

Nemec+Mercer+1st is the type of deal I’m ok with as a base. Tweak some smaller stuff from there. I brought up earlier sending Dougie through them with them retaining. I imagine Dougie at 4.5 has some value and if they’re into retaining on him that could hopefully fetch them some more rather than us also throwing in like Lenni.

 

[devilsfan950003]

Im terrified at this thought...

If we move 3-4 of our best assets for Quinn, its going to seriously hamper our future. Are we sure, no matter how much fun itll be, that another defenseman is what takes us over the top?

Not to mention itll make moving Dougie impossible when teams figure out they can bend us over to do it (so we can fit Quinn)

I dont see any value in rushing to get Quinn here before 2027, if at all

Wait until Quinn is a UFA, then see if you have the cap space to sign him.

 

[Hisch13r]

I’d really like to give some rope to the Casey forward experiment this year. In the long term I still think he’s definitely a Dman. In the short term though being able to use him up front could be helpful. Especially if we end up having another lackluster forward group.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Dougie could also be a separate trade. He just needs to go away to allow them to fit Quinn in. It doesn't really matter where that is

 

[Hisch13r]

Wait until Quinn is a UFA, then see if you have the cap space to sign him.

You should be building and planning around having the space. It shouldn’t be hard to have the space. Just avoid more dumb deals.

 

[Hisch13r]

Dougie could also be a separate trade. He just needs to go away to allow them to fit Quinn in. It doesn't really matter where that is

Ideally to me we’d somehow manage to get off one of Dougie or Palat with them sent to a 3rd team in a Quinn deal. I really don’t want to retain on Dougie but I feel like he’ll have to be retained on. Hopefully you can get someone else to retain for you and the price isn’t too crazy.

 

[Billdo]

I’m not going to go overboard but I rather wouldn’t wait if we don’t have to. In 2 years Quinn and Nico will both be on their next deals. I don’t think they move him before at the very least this deadline but having Quinn these 2 years would be massive. We’d have the best D group in the league. Arguably the best defenseman. There’s Luke that hit heights this year as being arguably the best Dman in the league for a 20 game stretch and has sky high potential. 3 high end shutdown D between Siegs/Kovy/Pesce with Siegs-Kovy that was the best shutdown pair in the league and outright one of the best pairs in the league. Forward group probably lags slightly behind what I’d want it to be if you get Quinn but it improves the D group, guarantees you have an all world player, and with how great Quinn is offensively he can help offset a slightly worse forward group.

Nemec+Mercer+1st is the type of deal I’m ok with as a base. Tweak some smaller stuff from there. I brought up earlier sending Dougie through them with them retaining. I imagine Dougie at 4.5 has some value and if they’re into retaining on him that could hopefully fetch them some more rather than us also throwing in like Lenni.

Interesting.

 

[devsfan8]

I’d really like to give some rope to the Casey forward experiment this year. In the long term I still think he’s definitely a Dman. In the short term though being able to use him up front could be helpful. Especially if we end up having another lackluster forward group.

If this teams bottom 6 forwards group is so lackluster that Casey sees time there, then it's time for Fitz to go in my opnion. The focus is depth scoring. An open spot should go to just that but forwards.

 

[BostonDevil]

The coach he loves turned down major money to leave Vancouver

And his teammates will all be gone by the summer

 

[RSeen]

Dougie could also be a separate trade. He just needs to go away to allow them to fit Quinn in. It doesn't really matter where that is

Dougie will be a difficult trade. He has a 10 team trade list I believe.

If he were to make that contenders then it would be difficult to get done.

 

[Ekiru]

The sooner the better.

In 2027 Nico's contract is up and will no doubt cost more than his current contract, which is an absolute bargain.

Quinn's contract will also be up that year and he'll likely get a significant raise as well.

The time to contend is now. We should be contending now.

Id love to. But what has been show that can lead one to think we can do that? Were risking the entire long-term contention window for a two-year span on a whim?

It just seems like an impulse decision and one thatll realistically play out over the next year and a half