Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - playoff edition

[Ekiru]

Unfortunately paywall but looks like Brooks is speculating that Quinn here can happen sooner or later and I don't think he's wrong:

Devils and Canucks have incentive to get a Quinn Hughes deal done — sooner rather than later

The eldest Hughes sibling has made it clear he wants to unite with Jack and Luke.

nypost.com

Vancouver is going to realize that if they wait until next year, it's going to be a weaker return.

Im terrified at this thought...

If we move 3-4 of our best assets for Quinn, its going to seriously hamper our future. Are we sure, no matter how much fun itll be, that another defenseman is what takes us over the top?

Not to mention itll make moving Dougie impossible when teams figure out they can bend us over to do it (so we can fit Quinn)

I dont see any value in rushing to get Quinn here before 2027, if at all

 

[Ekiru]

High ankle sprains are brutal for hockey players, it can hamper them for months after they return.

What was it, 28 or 30 games he went pointless? Thats worse than most AHL players...

And why am I keeping a hampered man? If its so debilitating, how can we be sure it wont happen again when we need him most (for the third time)?

 

[Zippy316]

Chemistry with Bratt and Hughes should be a net negative; hes a fourth liner. Why do we care if he has chemistry with guys he shouldnt ever be playing with?

And why is it every other team can get out from under 2-3-4-5-6-7 year contracts, but us Devils cant move off a one year rental in Haula? I seriously doubt any money is needed to come back; not to mention buying him out is almost certainly better than him playing anymore

Injury excuses are just that for him, now. Its every year; hes just broken. And as you say we cant likely move Palat, so you basically have to move Haula

Either that or we add Gritsyuk and a middling 3rd line winger and thats it. Wont be pretty for the Devils or its fans if that happens

Devils likely won’t have an issue moving Haula if they want to. The difference is it’s not like Haula is the absolute anchor a guy like Goodrow was for the Rangers.

He’s overplayed on this team since the forwards lack depth, but he’s still a good third line forward who plays with speed, can kill penalties, chip in ~30 points, win faceoffs, and play center at only 3.1 million.

If you move him out, you still need someone to fill that same role.

 

[Guadana]

A $3 million player who only kills penalties at this point isn't worth it, sorry. Bastian is also a useless player who'll do it for half.

He is one of the best penalty killers in the league. 3 mil is what you are paying for because you will not replace it, if you do, that's great, at least as part for more competent third line center.
Bastian? and his money? No offense but good defense. That's what you need from your 4th line - players who can give more rest without making situation worser. The problem is complimentary forwards and third line - they give nothing. With Haula and Bastian should be 4th lines but as 4th liners they are very good.

 

[Lou is God]

Im terrified at this thought...

If we move 3-4 of our best assets for Quinn, its going to seriously hamper our future. Are we sure, no matter how much fun itll be, that another defenseman is what takes us over the top?

Not to mention itll make moving Dougie impossible when teams figure out they can bend us over to do it (so we can fit Quinn)

I dont see any value in rushing to get Quinn here before 2027, if at all

If at all?? Lol

 

[Ekiru]

Devils likely won’t have an issue moving Haula if they want to. The difference is it’s not like Haula is the absolute anchor a guy like Goodrow was for the Rangers.

He’s overplayed on this team since the forwards lack depth, but he’s still a good third line forward who plays with speed, can kill penalties, chip in ~30 points, win faceoffs, and play center at only 3.1 million.

If you move him out, you still need someone to fill that same role.

I dont think he holds a role that needs replacing; not one that isnt past a 30-game sample size out of 82 nowadays

Id rather a lower efficiency, less oft-injured 3C who can help Nico defensively than keeping Haula at all.

If I felt I needed to replace his ~30 good games a year, Id say were a true contender. But I dont think we are. Therefore Id rather find someone more reliable (even when healthy Haula is as hot and cold as it gets)

 

[Ekiru]

If at all?? Lol

Yes; I dont want Quinn if it means spending assets on him, and I dont buy hes just going to make it to UFA if hes traded to a contender (this or next summer)

The story is fun and all but Id rather not spend what little, tangible assets I have on a guy I practically know will sign here if he gets to UFA 2027

Im sorry that doesnt jive with the fantasy idea of a trio of brothers winning a Cup.. but they wont be winning one if we spend the farm on him and cant maintain the cap or any youth coming up

 

[Hisch13r]

They're really going to be backed into a bad spot as far as a return for Quinn. It's like what happened with the Red Sox and Mookie Betts. He made it known he didn't want to sign and would only sign with LA. That's why the return was horrific for one of the best players in baseball. Vancouver is look at a really insignificant return because Nj has no reason to pay a premium when he'd basically be free, aside from contract, in two years.

I think a big issue for them is the teams that he’d be willing to re-sign with are like Vegas and Florida. Perennial contenders with nice weather and a favorable tax situation. I just can’t see them being able to put together a better trade package than we could. Maybe Dallas if it’s Harley+

 

[Lou is God]

Yes; I dont want Quinn if it means spending assets on him, and I dont buy hes just going to make it to UFA if hes traded to a contender (this or next summer)

The story is fun and all but Id rather not spend what little, tangible assets I have on a guy I practically know will sign here if he gets to UFA 2027

Im sorry that doesnt jive with the fantasy idea of a trio of brothers winning a Cup.. but they wont be winning one if we spend the farm on him and cant maintain the cap or any youth coming up

He's one of the two best defensemen in the league, borderline generational talent. Devils grab him they instantly become a legit cup contender, this has nothing to do with them being brothers, it has everything to do with winning. Good Lord.

 

[Ekiru]

He's one of the two best defensemen in the league, borderline generational talent. Devils grab him they instantly become a legit cup contender, this has nothing to do with them being brothers, it has everything to do with winning. Good Lord.

Youre not wrong about Quinn; think hes the leagues best defenseman and it isnt particularly close for me, right now

But no I dont think he makes us a contender. We'd lack even more offensive depth scoring and would have almost no youth coming up offensively, for the foreseeable future

This team has done nothing to prove its a contender prior to Quinn; dont think one player changes that, McDavid or Quinn or whoever

 

[Lou is God]

Youre not wrong about Quinn; think hes the leagues best defenseman and it isnt particularly close for me, right now

But no I dont think he makes us a contender. We'd lack even more offensive depth scoring and would have almost no youth coming up offensively, for the foreseeable future

This team has done nothing to prove its a contender prior to Quinn; dont think one player changes that, McDavid or Quinn or whoever

You have quite the takes.

 

[Ekiru]

You have quite the takes.

One take; but maybe youre right about Quinn

But not sure how a team thatd be running Haula Glass Noesen as their third line, and then likely Cotter and two AHLers as our fourth, is a contender

This all doesnt even include paying Luke. So were adding 9+7.85 and only removing 9 (if we dont retain) plus 7.5 in a cap increase

So that leaves us less than zero dollars, approximately -300k in debt, to add to the offense...

 

[Lou is God]

One take; but maybe youre right about Quinn

But not sure how a team thatd be running Haula Glass Noesen as their third line, and then likely Cotter and two AHLers as our fourth, is a contender

This all doesnt even include paying Luke. So were adding 9+7.85 and only removing 9 (if we dont retain) plus 7.5 in a cap increase

So that leaves us less than zero dollars, approximately -300k in debt, to add to the offense...

I don't even know what you're talking about now. You actually officially lost me at adding McDavid wouldn't make us cup contenders in your previous post.

 

[woody footbreaker]

absolutely need to move dougie first plus Palat and/or Haula which more then likely requires assets already. and to speculate which 2 or 3 teams could be possibilties on his 10team list or if he would wave also doesnt makes sense.

canucks should absolutely try to max and likely trade him this summer, but since quinn doesnt have trade protection, it could be anyone and i think teams will line up to get him for 2 years to either get them over the hump or take the next step. they could even trade him again at the TDL in the last year of his contract and get assets back which we wont. so i dont think, we could/should match those offers.

 

[Ekiru]

I don't even know what you're talking about now. You actually officially lost me at adding McDavid wouldn't make us cup contenders in your previous post.

Dont hit the door on your way out of the conversation you clearly werent ever interested in having

Next time just lead with 'my opinion is fact', if thats how you feel. Would be easier on people than thinking youd have an intellectually-honest debate

 

[JK3]

Where are you finding a center that makes 3.14 mil and plays all over the lineup? You guys are so hyper focused on one person it's silly. There are a shit ton of things that need to be addressed before that.

 

[Hisch13r]

absolutely need to move dougie first plus Palat and/or Haula which more then likely requires assets already. and to speculate which 2 or 3 teams could be possibilties on his 10team list or if he would wave also doesnt makes sense.

canucks should absolutely try to max and likely trade him this summer, but since quinn doesnt have trade protection, it could be anyone and i think teams will line up to get him for 2 years to either get them over the hump or take the next step. they could even trade him again at the TDL in the last year of his contract and get assets back which we wont. so i dont think, we could/should match those offers.

In the unlikely event Vancouver moved on this summer and it was to us then we’d probably be funneling at least one of Dougie or Palat through Vancouver to a 3rd party and having them retain

 

[theoptimist]

The Suter ship has sailed I think. Once the guy has already broken out and hits UFA it’s too late. The trick is to find that guy before he explodes like StL did with Holloway. Suter will get too much money and term.

The 3C should cost us $6M. Anything below and they’re not worth it.

 

[woody footbreaker]

In the unlikely event Vancouver moved on this summer and it was to us then we’d probably be funneling at least one of Dougie or Palat through Vancouver to a 3rd party and having them retain

i dont think this makes sense from a van standpoint for various reasons and again, not gonna speculate, if both our guys are gonna wave

 

[Bleedred]

I dont see any value in rushing to get Quinn here before 2027, if at all

The sooner the better.

In 2027 Nico's contract is up and will no doubt cost more than his current contract, which is an absolute bargain.

Quinn's contract will also be up that year and he'll likely get a significant raise as well.

The time to contend is now. We should be contending now.

 

[Lou is God]

Dont hit the door on your way out of the conversation you clearly werent ever interested in having

Next time just lead with 'my opinion is fact', if thats how you feel. Would be easier on people than thinking youd have an intellectually-honest debate

I'm not trying to be a dick but some of what you're saying raises eyebrows, if you have a chance to grab a talent like Quinn Hughes you 100% go for it, even if it costs you some of your best assets.

 

[My3Sons]

The 3C should cost us $6M. Anything below and they’re not worth it.

Plus Suter for $6 mil seems a bit much for my liking

 

[Billdo]

I think a big issue for them is the teams that he’d be willing to re-sign with are like Vegas and Florida. Perennial contenders with nice weather and a favorable tax situation. I just can’t see them being able to put together a better trade package than we could. Maybe Dallas if it’s Harley+

I meant if the desire to play with Luke and Jack is as significant as it's being made out to be.

 

[bigd]

Personally, I think having the Quinn family running the NJ Devils is a bad idea. If one has a gripe with the way they are being played then they will all have a gripe, including the dad! That would be a nightmare for the coach and the GM.
I'm sure the owners would love it because it puts fans in the stands, but I don't think it guarantees you a cup!

 

[My3Sons]

I'm not trying to be a dick but some of what you're saying raises eyebrows, if you have a chance to grab a talent like Quinn Hughes you 100% go for it, even if it costs you some of your best assets.

NJ only has four top assets in Jack Luke Nico and Bratt. Some excellent assets in Meier and Silayev. Then a bunch of good to meh stuff. First round picks for a perceived playoff team are good as is Mercer and then it trails off. I’d like to keep Silayev and all the assets above him. Not sure that leaves much for Vancouver to choose from. Can they sell Hamilton as a key piece of a package?