Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - playoff edition

I told you to sign Chandler Stephenson or Elias Lindholm last offseason. It feels so good being right. I love this feeling more than I love chicken parm.

Where are my free website statisticians?
 
I told you to sign Chandler Stephenson or Elias Lindholm last offseason. It feels so good being right. I love this feeling more than I love chicken parm.

Where are my free website statisticians?
Theres a thing called a salary cap

We need better 2-5 million dollar players, not overpay 6-8 million dollar players which would hamstring us in future seasons, we alr have one or two of those
 
miss me with the "they don't show emotion" stuff, please.

it is like when people would complain that Nico isn't a good captain because he "doesn't show leadership".

You have no idea what that even means.
You can’t tell when people aren’t showing emotion? Are you serious?

Taking it a step further as far as why and what it means is obviously more speculative, but if you’re trying to tell me that you don’t notice how emotionless this team is I just don’t even know what to tell you.
 
miss me with the "they don't show emotion" stuff, please.

it is like when people would complain that Nico isn't a good captain because he "doesn't show leadership".

You have no idea what that even means.
Lack of emotion is not the problem with these guys. They show plenty of it in adversity. Frustration and exasperation are two of the emotions they show.

They're wholly counterproductive emotions for a team that fancies itself competitive, but they are emotions nonetheless.
 
I told you to sign Chandler Stephenson or Elias Lindholm last offseason. It feels so good being right. I love this feeling more than I love chicken parm.

Where are my free website statisticians?
Am. Do you joking about your own words now?

Stephenson literally the worst player in the league with his xG with 1000+ min 5 on 5.
 
There is an old English proverb for those that say “I told you so”

I think it’s something like “those that say I told you so…kinda stink”
I think people do this because they resent their perspective being shit on and dismissed previously.

Anyway, I’m sure some of the optimists would be doing the same thing if the team managed to right itself before the season ended and they pulled off a series win here.
 
I think people do this because they resent their perspective being shit on and dismissed previously.

Anyway, I’m sure some of the optimists would be doing the same thing if the team managed to right itself before the season ended and they pulled off a series win here.

You are correct. Though the “doomer / pessimists / realists”, whatever name they should choose, have the advantage of being right in failure, and if they are wrong the team wins and they are happy anyways.

It’s harder to be hopeful, and positive, to believe in your team beyond all reason. It does hurt all the more when encountering a loss.

In the end it’s a game. A game we all care about deeply, but in the end there are (checks notes) 31 losers a year.
 
You are correct. Though the “doomer / pessimists / realists”, whatever name they should choose, have the advantage of being right in failure, and if they are wrong the team wins and they are happy anyways.
People might feel validated in being right about failure, but I doubt they are happy. I’d rather be wrong and the team winning than be right and continue to be subjected to this miserable mediocrity.
It’s harder to be hopeful, and positive, to believe in your team beyond all reason. It does hurt all the more when encountering a loss.
This is a weird way to frame it from my perspective. We as fans don’t control the who is on the roster and we don’t play the games. How we feel holds no bearing on how the team performs, so I don’t see being optimistic as some kind of virtue that holds value. If anything, unreasonably optimistic fans present an environment that incentivizes the organization to run status quo regardless of on-ice results.

In the end it’s a game. A game we all care about deeply, but in the end there are (checks notes) 31 losers a year.
It’s all relative - I don’t think anyone here would be demanding more or screaming that the sky is falling if this team’s roster was much better and they had a strong regular season but came up short in the playoffs to another really good team.
 
I get the assumption that we have the “foundation”…but at the same time…there’s something missing with this core. They don’t seem to have a strong competitive fire and emotion. We need more. Maybe acquiring Quinn fixes it, or like I said maybe someone who can be our version of M. Tkachuk. But something is clearly off with this core group that needs some kind of tweaking.
They have zero foundational pieces until a player steps up and proves he is so.

Quinn doesn’t solve this just like he didn’t in VAN.

The core is nothing. They are nice good players. That’s it. Not real threats, not elite players. They’re just nice. That’s it.

This team is going nowhere until either someone grows into that guy or they get new players.

And furthermore this organization will never progress until they figure out how to compete on the same level as Carolina. Who by the way hasn’t even won a cup with this current iteration.

Sickening that people are saying we need to improve the bottom 6, just another top 6 winger or center away, we’re almost there!
WE AREN'T EVEN CLOSE
 
They have zero foundational pieces until a player steps up and proves he is so.

Quinn doesn’t solve this just like he didn’t in VAN.

The core is nothing. They are nice good players. That’s it. Not real threats, not elite players. They’re just nice. That’s it.

This team is going nowhere until either someone grows into that guy or they get new players.

And furthermore this organization will never progress until they figure out how to compete on the same level as Carolina. Who by the way hasn’t even won a cup with this current iteration.

Sickening that people are saying we need to improve the bottom 6, just another top 6 winger or center away, we’re almost there!
WE AREN'T EVEN CLOSE
I don’t know if I would go as far to say that we aren’t even close, but I absolutely feel like we are farther than the consensus here feels.
 
I don’t know if I would go as far to say that we aren’t even close, but I absolutely feel like we are farther than the consensus here feels.
Close, is we need a couple of marginal pieces to be a legitimate contender.

Not close, is when you need more than that.

We need more than that.

And yea we don’t want to be jerks and pessimists. We’re not happy at all in some self righteousness or desire to be right.
Don’t care about being right. I only care about what’s real and what’s not.

It’s not real to call us close. Even with Quinn.
They will always have a chance to change that, but until they do, they are nothing and they most definitely are not close.

Right now both Montreal and Ottawa are closer than we are. Both teams that the consensus agreed were behind us in their rebuilds.

Win 1 Fcking game against Carolina. That’s one small step to being “closer”
 
You are correct. Though the “doomer / pessimists / realists”, whatever name they should choose, have the advantage of being right in failure, and if they are wrong the team wins and they are happy anyways.

It’s harder to be hopeful, and positive, to believe in your team beyond all reason. It does hurt all the more when encountering a loss.

In the end it’s a game. A game we all care about deeply, but in the end there are (checks notes) 31 losers a year.
Wtf are you talking about :laugh: . On any team message board, you definitely get penalized more for being objective, realistic, or offering constructive criticism. It is much easier to blindly support a team. Ignorance is bliss....and I don't even mean that as a slight. There's a reason the saying exists. Hell, just go scan reddit Devs. Up until last week, 99% of posts that offered even the slightest critique of the team got downvoted into oblivion ALL SEASON LONG.

This doesn't just span sports. It goes across most things in life. People generally have an innate desire to be accepted and go along with the consensus (or perceived consensus) opinion within their bubble. And when it comes to fandom, a team like the Blackhawks even has a fanbase that is consensus hopeful....at least to start the season. So people tend to fall in line.
 
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Am. Do you joking about your own words now?

Stephenson literally the worst player in the league with his xG with 1000+ min 5 on 5.

The same league that has Erik Haula and Curtis Lazar? I'm not worried about xG, and the Kraken suck.

Jack-Nico-Stephenson-Haula is the deepest at center this team could have been in 15 years. Unless you think Zajac-Henrique-Zubrus from 2012 is better....

With a better GM, we can win the cup in two years.
 
Wtf are you talking about :laugh: . On any team message board, you definitely get penalized more for being objective, realistic, or offering constructive criticism. It is much easier to blindly support a team. Ignorance is bliss....and I don't even mean that as a slight. There's a reason the saying exists. Hell, just go scan reddit Devs. Up until last week, 99% of posts that offered even the slightest critique of the team got downvoted into oblivion ALL SEASON LONG.

This doesn't just span sports. It goes across most things in life. People generally have an innate desire to be accepted and go along with the consensus (or perceived consensus) opinion within their bubble. And when it comes to fandom, a team like the Blackhawks even has a fanbase that is consensus hopeful....at least to start the season. So people tend to fall in line.
it's not what you say it's how you say it. An opinion that the team really struggles with (fill in the blanks) and needs to think about adding some players to address those weaknesses without losing the things the team does well but I am concerned that management just has not prioritized the correct players is as doomer as anything else but I imagine gets less pushback than the same message delivered with hyperbole.
 
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The same league that has Erik Haula and Curtis Lazar? I'm not worried about xG, and the Kraken suck.

Jack-Nico-Stephenson-Haula is the deepest at center this team could have been in 15 years. Unless you think Zajac-Henrique-Zubrus from 2012 is better....

With a better GM, we can win the cup in two years.
I wanted Stephenson, but I also knew his price would likely be nuts with how dry the Center market was. And his price did indeed end up being nuts. 100% out on Lindholm though, ya lose me with that one.

Benefit of hindsight here and I like Pesce....but if the Devs had a crystal ball to see Kovacevic would work out like he did, they would have been better overpaying Stephenson instead of Pesce based on how roster is constructed. Whatever though.
 
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it's not what you say it's how you say it. An opinion that the team really struggles with (fill in the blanks) and needs to think about adding some players to address those weaknesses without losing the things the team does well but I am concerned that management just has not prioritized the correct players is as doomer as anything else but I imagine gets less pushback than the same message delivered with hyperbole.
Nah, miss me with that nonsense. You can't criticize certain things on here until enough people finally come to the same realization. Doesn't matter how well thought out or researched your view is, the stats/metrics you offer as support, etc. But that's just how fan message boards are to a degree....again, somewhat understandably so due to human nature.

Inverse works too: fanbases all have their approved whipping boys.
 
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