Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - playoff edition

He wouldn’t have signed at 3-3 but you could have literally given him the exact same deal you gave him two months ago in July before he got hurt, at worst. We didn’t get him at a discount nor was he a long term necessity, those are the times you sign players early

I will bookmark this post. Wait until you see what players are going to sign for July. The Devils absolutely got him for a discount.

It's especially ridiculous coming from you who for years complained about Lou's waiting for July 1 to re-sign players.

The fact that Kovacevic signed an extension on deadline day makes me think Fitzgerald was considering trading him if he didn't sign that deal. Perhaps not. We'll obviously never know. I still like the move.
 
At time of trade deadline, how do you figure a team that had played at a 75pt pace since Christmas with Jack Hughes was gonna win a playoff series without him? This "for the morale" argument is even funnier considering this very team had an incredible playoff run to "build off of" in 2017....and promptly followed it up with essentially 4 lotto seasons. That team at least earned the right to be a buyer by overachieving and playing their balls off.

Again, keeping Kovacevic on a sweetheart deal was fine. Instead they overpaid him and gave out another NMC instead of getting a 1st+ or a decent forward prospect. In a lost season. With obvious more glaring needs. With relatively few trade chips for the offseason. Multiple holes at forward and a bottom 5 forward prospect pool.

And yet the same people remain mystified and disappointed when this team isn't a contender year after year. If that was the cost to extend Kovacevic, a competent GM would have made the difficult decision to move him considering other roster needs and the sellers market. End of story.

Your point was they need to get out of the first round before Nico needs an extension, but ultimately want to sell off one of the players that had been with them all season because the extension he received was too rich and you believe we could have gotten a haul for him. Thus leaving us on the right side with Pesce, Nemec and Casey given Hamilton was hurt to finish the season out.

I’m just trying to follow your logic, because you’re saying it’s paramount we make it to the 2nd round in the next two years but seemed content to wash the rest of this season away despite holding a playoff spot, and thus leaving us with one year to show it’s heading in the right direction before having to extend Nico.

My opinion is that it’s rather easy for any of us to say these things as a fan and not being in the room where I strongly imagine that if Fitz did send Kovacevic out for futures, that would send a more damning message to the players that they were more willing to punt the season than try and bring in any reasonable reinforcements they could to have a chance at the postseason. I would rather see them have a kick at the can (as would the players I’d imagine) than throw our hands up and say “oh well, not this year” after Jack’s injury.
 
Courtesy of Todd Cordell (Infernal Access) :


The New Jersey Devils won’t play another meaningful hockey game for more than five months and there is a long runway to prepare for the draft, free agency, and the like.

Thus, I’m going to look (slightly) back and share some takeaways from the shot contributions data I tracked in the opening round.

Keep in mind that these numbers only factor in 5v5 play.

Forwards​



New Jersey’s star wingers certainly showed up for the series. Jesper Bratt skated on a line with Dawson Mercer and Erik Haula – the lesser set of top-6 linemates – and was tasked with playing the Jack Hughes role, doing all the heavy lifting through the neutral zone while facilitating everything in the final third. Clearly, he did a great job.

Bratt was directly responsible for the creation of more shot attempts than anybody on the roster and helped Dawson Mercer and Erik Haula elevate their games to a level we haven’t seen all year long.

I mean, Mercer went from 4-4.5 shot contributions per game over the last two regular seasons to nearly seven. He worked his ass off – and deserves credit for his improved play – but it’s safe to say Bratt had a healthy hand in that.

I mean, look at those shot assist numbers. Ondrej Palat was the only player in the same universe as Bratt and he spent a lot of his time playing with the team’s leading goal scorer in the playoffs and the team’s leading shot generator.


Sticking with the latter, Meier definitely played his part in this series. He generated a ton of shot volume and a lot of it came from high-danger areas.

He took plenty of heat for squandering chances over the first couple of games but it says a lot he led the entire series – I’m talking sole possession – in 5v5 points and all the talk is about how he didn’t do enough.

Would it have been nice for him to tuck in a couple more goals? You bet! But, overall, he showed up, he produced, and he was one of the main reasons most of the games were competitive.

Cody Glass and Paul Cotter didn’t fare half bad in terms of volume. Unfortunately, there wasn’t a lot of quality. That line struggled to get to the middle of the ice and cause havoc around the net.

Stefan Noesen is not a big volume guy – and never will be – but generating less than Nathan Bastian is a big yikes. I was really disappointed with his playoffs.

The rest is probably what you’d expect.
Singing offensive praises for anyone on a team that scored 11 goals in 5 games is wild to me.

It's like grading levels shit....this one is firmer and has good color while that is dark and loose....it's all still shit.

That said Nico was very good and Pesce was also


But I guess writers gotta write?
 
:laugh: They own the trash 76ers and just committed to a multi-billion $$$ stadium for the Commies in DC. Zero chance the owners demanded playoff profits as an influential factor. Rounding error for them.

And no, team didn't NEED to make the playoffs this year (post Hughes injury) more than they NEED to be able to get out of the 1st round before Nico needs an extension.
1. Rich people tend to want to maximize profits on everything. Unless you are Steve Cohen or Steve Ballmer, in which case winning is the only thing that matters. But even rich owners usually have others invested in the team who want to see a profit on their investment. Sports teams ownership is a bit different than others because it is more of a passion thing where it's okay to lose a little money if you get ROI in terms of better performance, but it's still not how billionaires are wired.

2. I bet you the locker room did not like watching Toffoli and Miller get traded last year and Jack and Nico needed some convincing that it was better to get assets than to push towards getting into one of those last spots to get clobbered by the Rangers or Canes. They definitely could not do it two years in a row. Players would have mutinied if they threw in the towel and said "whatever". And looking back, Dumoulin was an excellent addition.
 
I will bookmark this post. Wait until you see what players are going to sign for July. The Devils absolutely got him for a discount.

It's especially ridiculous coming from you who for years complained about Lou's waiting for July 1 to re-sign players.

The fact that Kovacevic signed an extension on deadline day makes me think Fitzgerald was considering trading him if he didn't sign that deal. Perhaps not. We'll obviously never know. I still like the move.
And how many players in FA have Kovacevic’s exact track record of ‘one’ year as a quality starting defenseman who isn’t offensive or overtly physical?

A bit different between Lou dragging his feet on Patrik Elias to the point of not even giving him an offer and Fitz waiting to see if this guy was a half season fluke or not - which tbh he was closer to being once Siegs was out of the lineup.
 
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Singing offensive praises for anyone on a team that scored 11 goals in 5 games is wild to me.





That said Nico was very good
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We should be trying to get Quinn now, not waiting for 2 years when the goaltending will be a bigger question mark by then. As inconsistent as Markstrom was, it's still more stable with him than waiting on a what if prospect to hit or find someone else to take over.

You get Quinn now, you have him on the best deal in the league and then have another 8 years of him when you lock him down when you re-up him. You get almost a decade of hockey from one of the best dmen and players in the league that wants to play with his brothers.
 
Singing offensive praises for anyone on a team that scored 11 goals in 5 games is wild to me.

It's like grading levels shit....this one is firmer and has good color while that is dark and loose....it's all still shit.

That said Nico was very good and Pesce was also


But I guess writers gotta write?
My wife always tells me the color and texture of my shit is an indicator of overall health…you and her may be on to something here 🤣🤣
 
Trotz is that guy that has an item relisted on FB marketplace for years and argues with people “No lowball offers. I know what I have”
A 1999 Porsche Boxster with an automatic transmission and 126,578 miles and it needs a new top and the A/C does not work. There are some small tears in the seats and the paint is faded on the hood. He's asking $30k.
 
This means it's a bad contract.
No it doesn't...a bad contract is too much money and immovable...or least unattractive to the majority of potential suitors.

A fair value contract isn't bad cause you like something better...and there is no lost opportunity if it's a movable fair value contract because someone will always take a serviceable top 6 Dman at decent price.
 
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And how many players in FA have Kovacevic’s exact track record of ‘one’ year as a quality starting defenseman who isn’t offensive or overtly physical?

Doesn't matter, he would've signed a long-term deal on July 1. Someone is not waiting around for his skillset.

A bit different between Lou dragging his feet on Patrik Elias to the point of not even giving him an offer and Fitz waiting to see if this guy was a half season fluke or not - which tbh he was closer to being once Siegs was out of the lineup.

There were plenty of other players that Lou dragged his feet on. The NHL has moved away from this tactic, with good reason, and the vast majority of players who are scheduled to be UFA on July 1 will end up signing elsewhere - I imagine we get single digit re-signings of consequential players. Hell, even Lou has moved on, he signed Palmieri to an extension before the trade deadline.
 
:laugh: They own the trash 76ers and just committed to a multi-billion $$$ stadium for the Commies in DC. Zero chance the owners demanded playoff profits as an influential factor. Rounding error for them.

And no, team didn't NEED to make the playoffs this year (post Hughes injury) more than they NEED to be able to get out of the 1st round before Nico needs an extension.

I'm aware the owners are rich :eek3:

However owners still like to see more profits than less. I did not say it was an influential factor. I'm saying it makes the owners happy to be in the playoffs. It was a lesser point

And yes, we did. The fans deserve to cheer in the playoffs. I know I was getting pretty f***ing sick of having to watch and root against the Rangers every year.

After the start to the season, to clawing and keeping a spot. The fans deserved the playoffs. Going to the playoffs in 2 of the last 3 years feels a lot better than 1 in past 8. The fans, and team, need optimism too.
 
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Nobody knows what the future holds but the Devils could be swimming in LTIR with Kovo and Dillon on the shelf. I wish them both full recoveries but if Dillion’s career is over, it does give the team more $ to work with. I would love to resign Dumo. The guy was a complete workhorse and I was super impressed by his play. If Dillon is out long term, you have to do something to bolster the LD.

If the plan was to trade Hamilton or Nemec in the off-season, Kovo’s injury makes it significantly harder to do so. I know the organization would not feel comfortable with both Nemec and Casey slotting in as RHD 2 and 3.

Nemec may hold more trade value but if we do plan to acquire Quinn at some point, I feel Nemec would be better to hold than Casey. We would have plenty of offense with the two Hughes brothers on the blueline and Casey may not even be able to get PP minutes, where is an area he would excel. Just seems to me like he’d be blocked by players who are equally or more gifted offensively. In this instance, I just think Nemec fits much better from a roster construction standpoint. So the question becomes….would Vancouver have interest in Casey as part of a package? It’s not as if they have much leverage here. I’m suddenly reticent to deal Nemec. I get the allure in bringing in a stud like Quinn. However, if Nemec progresses and plays like he did against Carolina, I really don’t see the defense as an area in which we NEED to improve upon. We are in the enviable position in which we could theoretically wait for Quinn to become a UFA in two years and sign him for free then. If Hamilton is dumped, that cap hit potentially for Quinn could also be used for a top six winger and/or 3C upgrade.

Lots of thoughts and scenarios are running through my head. I figured I’d lay it out there to see what my fellow Devils fans think.
 
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Nobody knows what the future holds but the Devils could be swimming in LTIR with Kovo and Dillon on the shelf. I wish them both full recoveries but if Dillion’s career is over, it does give the team more $ to work with. I would love to resign Dumo. The guy was a complete workhorse and I was super impressed by his play. If Dillon is out long term, you have to do something to bolster the LD.

If the plan was to trade Hamilton or Nemec in the off-season, Kovo’s injury makes it significantly harder to do so. I know the organization would not feel comfortable with both Nemec and Casey slotting in as RHD 2 and 3.

Nemec may hold more trade value but if we do plan to acquire Quinn at some point, I feel Nemec would be better to hold than Casey. We would have plenty of offense with the two Hughes brothers on the blueline and Casey may not even be able to get PP minutes, where is an area he would excel. Just seems to me like he’d be blocked by players who are equally or more gifted offensively. In this instance, I just think Nemec fits much better from a roster construction standpoint. So the question becomes….would Vancouver have interest in Casey as part of a package? It’s not as if they have much leverage here. I’m suddenly reticent to deal Nemec. I get the allure in bringing in a stud like Quinn. However, if Nemec progresses and plays like he did against Carolina, I really don’t see the defense as an area in which we NEED to improve upon. We are in the enviable position in which we could theoretically wait for Quinn to become a UFA in two years and sign him for free then. If Hamilton is dumped, that cap hit potentially for Quinn could also be used for a top six winger and/or 3C upgrade.

Lots of thoughts and scenarios are running through my head. I figured I’d lay it out there to see what my fellow Devils fans think.
I couldn't imagine a scenario where Nemec wasn't moved in that deal.

I think you'd be looking at Nemec, Mercer and a 1st. That might even be a little too light.
 
Looks like it. All 3 are close and Quinn stays at their place when he's in the area.

FYI, pictures of Jack today are on twitter today signing autographs for people and driving without a sling or anything, which is good news(not sure if this is normal with the type of surgery he had?)

Yeah a sling is definitely standard for any type of shoulder surgery. Probably usually 4-6 weeks in a sling. Physical therapy is the long and arduous part.
 

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