TrufleShufle
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Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part V
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None Shall Pass
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The Markstrom doomerism is doubly silly because he was fantastic prior to the injury. And the injury wasn't an OMG HES OLD injury, it was a dude running into him, which can happen to anyone in net.
Yeah he stinks right now. Probably still a little hurt or recovering or getting his game back or whatever. But dude had a knee injury. Not an opportune time for him to be recovering, but it is what it is.
Yeah he stinks right now. Probably still a little hurt or recovering or getting his game back or whatever. But dude had a knee injury. Not an opportune time for him to be recovering, but it is what it is.
njdevils1982
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oh boo hoo, the oilers will be without leon's constant clutching, grabbing and holding
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I have a terrible memory but I feel like Markstrom has been more consistent than most of the team this year. This has been a terrible stretch since returning but prior to that he was usually pretty good.
Compared to the rest of these schmucks that played strong up until the end of December and then rotate between forgetting how to play hockey and being a competent team every other night. Complaining about the goalies is all well and good but there's 18 skaters in front of them that have been so incredibly inconsistent this year it's ridiculous.
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It’s mostly how things unfolded. Injuries, team being dominant in December only to play sub-.500 hockey the rest of the way. Very frustrating and I have a hard time seeing them make any damage with who they’re missing.
Anyway, I guess you’re right in a way. I guess anything can happen!
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I mean look at his career numbers. He's been a twenty goal scorer once. He typically is 15-18g, 30-40 points.
He's an average third line winger and we overpaid bc he's a good example of how to play an honest game and our team needed that.
Don't be so matter of fact. Leave some room for why nots. HAH!
Yeah, Comets are done so why not take their leading scorer if the Devils need him.
I'm being serious.
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Yeah Markstrom stunk yesterday. But I’m still not really worried about him or missing the playoffs or anything like that. He’s a vet. He’ll bounce back. We need to get him going. As great as Allen has been, he’s not going to steal a series. Marky has the ability to do that. I’d give Allen the more difficult games the rest of the month and reassess from there. Something like this:
Allen vs Ottawa
Allen vs Vancouver
Markstrom @ Chicago
Markstrom @ Winnipeg
Allen @ Minnesota
Allen vs Minnesota
You can flip Markstrom and Allen for the back to back next weekend but I figured the Winnipeg game is essentially a schedule loss. I guess it would depend on if it’s Hellebuyck or Comrie. This is, of course, assuming Markstrom is healthy enough to still play. It wouldn’t hurt to have Daws up here to give him a night off here or there too.
Allen vs Ottawa
Allen vs Vancouver
Markstrom @ Chicago
Markstrom @ Winnipeg
Allen @ Minnesota
Allen vs Minnesota
You can flip Markstrom and Allen for the back to back next weekend but I figured the Winnipeg game is essentially a schedule loss. I guess it would depend on if it’s Hellebuyck or Comrie. This is, of course, assuming Markstrom is healthy enough to still play. It wouldn’t hurt to have Daws up here to give him a night off here or there too.
ZachaFlockaFlame
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He was also mediocre to bad from October to December, do people have goldfish memories on this board? You don't trade a first for one month of goaltending. If Markstrom stays the same way with this Jekyll and Hyde goaltending, we're on a similar path than we were with Vanecek from 22-23.
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Honestly, there's no point in talking about what Markstrom did months ago, good or bad.
The problem is that he's VERY BAD right now. The March 2018 Cory Schneider wasn't even this bad after he came back from injury and was promptly sat after 3 games for 12 of the last 13 games before the team clinched and even 8 in a row at one point until the team clinched. We had Keith Kinkaid play 3 complete sets of back to backs over the final 15 or 16 games of that year because of how bad Cory was playing and Markstrom has been even worse than that in I can't remember if he's played 6 or 7 games since coming back? It's been a bullet train speed drop to the bottom since game 2 of his return.
I think he's gotta not play unless it's a back to back. We really can't afford to experiment with giving him every other game and ''Getting him going'' or whatever the phrase is that Keefe and some posters have used.
The problem is that he's VERY BAD right now. The March 2018 Cory Schneider wasn't even this bad after he came back from injury and was promptly sat after 3 games for 12 of the last 13 games before the team clinched and even 8 in a row at one point until the team clinched. We had Keith Kinkaid play 3 complete sets of back to backs over the final 15 or 16 games of that year because of how bad Cory was playing and Markstrom has been even worse than that in I can't remember if he's played 6 or 7 games since coming back? It's been a bullet train speed drop to the bottom since game 2 of his return.
I think he's gotta not play unless it's a back to back. We really can't afford to experiment with giving him every other game and ''Getting him going'' or whatever the phrase is that Keefe and some posters have used.
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And no one is the slightest bit concerned about just how effectively a 35 year old goalie can recover from a knee injury? We’re completely confident he’s gonna fully regain his pre-injury form?
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It's a risk we all knew was there with acquiring a 34 year old goalie. It's why he wasn't the primary guy I wanted in fact. But what's done is done. Do we just say "oops" and bail out after one season?
There's very little that can be done right away if he can't. They can try to keep Allen but he is pricing himself out of staying.
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What'd be more comedic would be being wrong 90% of the time for over a decade and learning nothing. Have positive posts on the team. But when criticisms are proven correct, you are a dOoMeR. Sad, but also kinda hilarious at this point. They restoring these ignore lists or what?
Of course that's an issue, but the reality is if a 23 year old goalie was coming off a knee injury he'd probably be struggling right now as well.
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I think you got to give Allen the next 3 games. Sacrifice Markstrom against Winnipeg. Then ride Allen until you clinch. Hopefully before the last weekend so you can play Markstrom the last game of the season.
So you think my posts are funny but you have me on ignore? You hate comedy as much as you hate the team. Me, I love comedy, so I would never ignore your posts.
ZachaFlockaFlame
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It's gonna be Markstrom and Daws next year, Allen is basically pulling a Stolarz type backup season where he's better than the starter but the team he's on as a veteran (Markstrom/Bob) and a younger goalie that would be smarter to hand the reigns over to (Daws/Knight, granted Florida traded Knight recently for Jones). We'll see what they do, I wouldn't be opposed to picking up a decent 1B backup but I haven't seen who's available. Maybe Lankinen?
Lankinen signed a big extension to stay in Vancouver. Getting a 1B will be very expensive. Anyway this is all moot - if Allen falls apart, then he won't stay regardless, if Markstrom picks things up, I'll be less concerned. I don't think even if they find a way to lose half of Palat's contract and Hamilton's that they will have the cash to pick up a 1B, who should cost $4M at minimum.
ZachaFlockaFlame
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Ah, ok. I missed that, trying to find a website with accurate NHL goalies and the site didn't even update that lol. But yeah agreed, they should be fine there either way, it's gonna be Daws or a decent backup. It all depends on Markstrom, the better he looks the more likely it'll be Daws. If he falters a little bit, then they'll splurge on said backup like you said maybe more than they would like.
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"Goldfish memories", eyeroll.
Prior to the injury, he had a .912 save percentage. The league average is .901. He was, empirically, good. Not Hellebuyck good, but a good amount above average.
ZachaFlockaFlame
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And most of that .912 is from a single .930+ month that is doing the heavy lifting of his season so what does that truly say? You pay a first rounder for a roster player and that player should not be an issue over the course of the season. I swear it's ok to have standards for goaltending even though we've seen some atrocious dogshit goaltending ever since Schneider declined.
This is the same board that shits on Timo Meier and shat him last year for being hurt/playing through it but think it's harsh to shit on Markstrom, get outta here lol
