Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part V
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Lou Bloom
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How is calling the player who is currently 12th in scoring league wide a complimentary player not insane mental gymnastics?
JimEIV
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What argument. Bratt has been useless this season and you're point to a pile of assist provided by Jack.
How the hell Jack became our best goal scorer is beyond me but that's the case.
It's not even the points. They lose battles, fall, fumble pucks. They lose the third .an on counters... is just like they lost the plot. This team hasn't had a streak of wins in years
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Probably because he has an elite playmaker playing next to him helping to set him up for goals.
I want Brady too, but calling Bratt weak or soft when he visibly is taking and giving hits and protects the puck VERY well is just very disingenuous and you know it.
Mercer is basically that and youve been defending him all day.
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On Mercer I think the hate is misguided when our core players have been so ineffective. I look to the big guns first before I'm going to blast a 3rd line PKer that has produced goals as well as any winger at Even Strength.
Thats fine, but that’s a different discussion lol. I just don’t think Bratt is a soft player. He is built like a small bull and is able to absorb, take and bounce off checks. Even initiate checks. Couple that with his skating, vision and playmaking ability and he is a great player.
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So you acknowledge the problem.
How about 4 goals in 27 games from Meier?
This is not insignificant. This is 7 goals in the last 30-ish games from core wingers. This is a massive problem.
And people want to talk about bottom 6 players?
Similar to the 5 goals in 27 games stretch Brady just had before March? Who you are currently pining for.
It’s never good but This happens to many good players. And the issue becomes an even bigger problem when there’s nothing much support.
Yes, Brady Tkachuk had a 15 goal season rate in a stretch that covered 33% of the season. So lets discuss how thats a problem now since we are doing the same with other players….
Cmon now Jim. Its hockey, you know there are crazy stretches for good and bad players and teams
Cmon now Jim. Its hockey, you know there are crazy stretches for good and bad players and teams
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And that's largely the point... Brady not scoring is still bringing a lot to the table ... Bratt and Meier? Not so much.
What do you mean not much support? These players are playing with other core players?
Another one. Matthew Tkachuk had 7 goals in a 30 game stretch in this season
That was your initial point Jim and acting like its a problem. Yes it is, when there isn’t enough support around these players. Great players have stretches like these all around the league. It becomes an issue when the team doesn’t have enough support, its not an individual player issue. If you are now changing the subject to intangibles then the conversation ends now because that wasn’t the discussion. Thats the problem, we can’t debate in good faith when a discussion goes from goal rates, to softness to now intangibles.
That was your initial point Jim and acting like its a problem. Yes it is, when there isn’t enough support around these players. Great players have stretches like these all around the league. It becomes an issue when the team doesn’t have enough support, its not an individual player issue. If you are now changing the subject to intangibles then the conversation ends now because that wasn’t the discussion. Thats the problem, we can’t debate in good faith when a discussion goes from goal rates, to softness to now intangibles.
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Meier and Bratt combine for 6 January to March.... I'd take the 13.
Stop making believe that this ok or normal.
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Noted bum Aleksander Barkov had 3 goals 20 points in 23 games from January to March. Verhaeghe 2 goal 10 points in 20 game stretch. Matthew Tkachuk 1 goal 8 points in a 16 game stretch.
I’m not looking at any other teams, but you get the point.
We cannot have an argument about J Bratt in the midst of this total collapse. My dudes...The ice just does not tilt the way it used to on every line.
Jim….
That 6 goals was in a 20 gm stretch
The 13 goals I was talking about was in a 35 gm stretch
Why do you always do this?
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FISH ON!!! bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz tighten that drag
The back and forth is stupid because you’re both right. Either one of the things you’re talking about (“core players” or bottom six scoring) negates the other when it’s not happening. Maybe you can survive one or the other, but not both.
Last 35 gms:
Bratt and Timo have 12 goals combined
That 35 game stretch I looked up for Sens, Brady And Stutzle had 13 goals combined
WTF ARE WE EVEN DISCUSSING. All teams will have long stretches where their best players don’t produce. It becomes an issue when the supporting cast doesn’t pick up the slack. End of story.
I am off for tonight lol. Off to the bars. Hope everyone has a good night.
Bratt and Timo have 12 goals combined
That 35 game stretch I looked up for Sens, Brady And Stutzle had 13 goals combined
WTF ARE WE EVEN DISCUSSING. All teams will have long stretches where their best players don’t produce. It becomes an issue when the supporting cast doesn’t pick up the slack. End of story.
I am off for tonight lol. Off to the bars. Hope everyone has a good night.
