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Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part V

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Devils accounts on twitter are yelling that this is leading up to a Nemec/Casey trades to get their engagements and clicks up.

Pretty sure this is a Siegs replacement, defensive dman who plays the left side so we can move Pesce back to RD and don't need to play both Nemec and Casey/Hataaka.

Friedman reported we had zero interest in moving Nemec a month ago and I think someone reported the same thing in the last few days? I would hate to see Casey go for anything short of an elite piece
 
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I don’t get The Fitz hate. He is highly regarded around the NHL and got high marks for his off season moves. Markstrom, Pecse, Keefe. Each one a solid move but he got all three over the summer. Not to mention Timo the year before, a much coveted 40-goal scorer.

I’ll wait and see see how things play out the next couple of weeks.
 
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Winnie the Pooh said:
Agreed but then if they do that why would Stamkos and co bother showing up next year
If youre Nashville you kind of have to pray it was a seriously off year and keep most your guys
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Stamkos was already falling off a cliff in TB, Kucherov and Point made him look good. Marchessault was on a shooting bender last year. They're not gonna be good next year and beyond. It's the equivalent of when Lou was here and signing has beens like Ryder, Havlat and Brunner and we were crying for a rebuild to the highest heavens
 
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Alex NJD said:
Devils accounts on twitter are yelling that this is leading up to a Nemec/Casey trades to get their engagements and clicks up.

Pretty sure this is a Siegs replacement, defensive dman who plays the left side so we can move Pesce back to RD and don't need to play both Nemec and Casey/Hataaka.

Friedman reported we had zero interest in moving Nemec a month ago and I think someone reported the same thing in the last few days? I would hate to see Casey go for anything short of an elite piece
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They can't be serious and go into the playoff push with the same forward core, that's another fireable offense on a long list of Fitz's. That being said, I don't want Nemec or Casey gone but that's the only realistic option with the assets they have
 
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Nashville is having a bad season. That's different then a rebuild. I'm hesitant to assume Trotz will sell off assets. The team can easily as is bounce back next season.

As for the Dumolin trade, he is two time cup winner and a career plus 100. Normally you can never have enough Dmen. I know it was a hefty package for a 33 year old UFA but he obviosuly cares more about winning now then a 2nd rounder which might never amount to anything and a prospect. I guess with Siegs out he wanted Dums. Im not stupid enough to assume Fitz is done now. Obviously forward is a priority as he has been saying.

I think we should just wait until 4 PM tomorrow to judge this deadline.
 
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Alex NJD said:
With how much people on here complain about the Palat contract I think taking on Cozens might give some posters actual aneurysms
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Why would that be? Cozens is already worth his 7.1m, and thats before the possible cap increases

Palat was 30 when we signed him; Cozens just turned 24. They arent remotely similar
 
HoliksGhost said:
I don’t get The Fitz hate. He is highly regarded around the NHL and got high marks for his off season moves. Markstrom, Pecse, Keefe. Each one a solid move but he got all three over the summer. Not to mention Timo the year before, a much coveted 40-goal scorer.

I’ll wait and see see how things play out the next couple of weeks.
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He also bulldozed the bottom 6 from what made it great at one point, saddled us with Palat next to a prime Jack/Bratt, trusted Mercer again after his horrid 23/24, horrific drafting under his regime as opposed to us drafting elite on the offensive side of the puck when Shero was here. His best pick was a no brainer pick of a brother of a current Devil.
 
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HoliksGhost said:
I don’t get The Fitz hate. He is highly regarded around the NHL and got high marks for his off season moves. Markstrom, Pecse, Keefe. Each one a solid move but he got all three over the summer. Not to mention Timo the year before, a much coveted 40-goal scorer.

I’ll wait and see see how things play out the next couple of weeks.
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I turned on fitz last season, where he seemed unbelievably arrogant going into the season with Vanecek and (waiver exempt) Schmid as the two goalies. I will always believe that he thought he was going to trade for Hellebuyck that offseason, got hoodwinked by Chevy who wanted him to sign that extension and never was willing to pay the price to fix the goaltending all year.

I also don't like him for keeping McLeod but I don't want to go there, can't prove he knew what when.
 
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Id keep and eye on NJ and Dylan Cozens right now. 24 year old, took a big step with FOs this year but overall had a down year.

7.1 for the next 6 years isnt awful with the cap going up. Having a bad year but think hes a perfect 2nd line Center who can move to the wing if needed.

Buy low candidate potentially.
 
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Winnie the Pooh said:
Why would that be? Cozens is already worth his 7.1m, and thats before the possible cap increases

Palat was 30 when we signed him; Cozens just turned 24. They arent remotely similar
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Cozens is scoring at 40 point pace making 7 million a year in 17 minutes of ice time a game. He's under contract for 5 more years and has regressed for the 2nd year in a row since signing. He's vastly overpaid. There is no world where 7 million for the next 5 years is only worthy of a 40 point player who also is not good defensively. I loved the kid too his draft year and in his first couple years, even have him in two fantasy keeper leagues.

Palat is scoring at 30 point pace making 6 million a year in 14 minutes of ice time a game. He's under contract for 2 more years. He's vastly overpaid. Don't think anyone will disagree there.

They're similar in the fact they're both overpaid relative to their production which is the central issue. We are already suffering from one big contract far underproducing, we don't need another
 
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Cozens is scoring at 40 point pace making 7 million a year in 17 minutes of ice time a game. He's under contract for 5 more years and has regressed for the 2nd year in a row since signing. He's vastly overpaid. There is no world where 7 million for the next 5 years is only worthy of a 40 point player who also is not good defensively. I loved the kid too his draft year and in his first couple years, even have him in two fantasy keeper leagues.

Palat is scoring at 30 point pace making 6 million a year in 14 minutes of ice time a game. He's under contract for 2 more years. He's vastly overpaid. Don't think anyone will disagree there.

They're similar in the fact they're both overpaid relative to their production which is the central issue. We are already suffering from one big contract far underproducing, we don't need another
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If you think Cozens is a 40pt player, just because hes had a bad season and a half on a bottom-5 team, then I dont feel the need to discuss it further lol

Luckily I think most can see a guy who put up 65 at 22 on just as bad a team can foresee what he may do in a winning culture. Same way Nemec isnt suddenly bad after one year before turning 22

And even if he doesnt, its still nothing like Palat. Thats just strawman to be angry
 
Winnie the Pooh said:
If you think Cozens is a 40pt player, just because hes had a bad season and a half on a bottom-5 team, then I dont feel the need to discuss it further lol

Luckily I think most can see a guy who put up 65 at 22 on just as bad a team can foresee what he may do in a winning culture

And even if he doesnt, its still nothing like Palat. Thats just strawman to be angry
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Agree, also hes taken a big step in FOs this year. Was usually good defensively but been weak this year 5 on 5.

Right handed shot which we need as well. I think hes great for a bounce back spot.
 
Winnie the Pooh said:
If you think Cozens is a 40pt player, just because hes had a bad season and a half on a bottom-5 team, then I dont feel the need to discuss it further lol

Luckily I think most can see a guy who put up 65 at 22 on just as bad a team can foresee what he may do in a winning culture. Same way Nemec isnt suddenly bad after one year before turning 22

And even if he doesnt, its still nothing like Palat. Thats just strawman to be angry
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47 points last year
41 point pace this year

Mercer also put up 56 points at 21 and then turned into a 30 point player for the 2nd straight year
 
Alex NJD said:
With how much people on here complain about the Palat contract I think taking on Cozens might give some posters actual aneurysms
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I wouldn't. I'm not sure that Cozens at 7 million is a bet I want to make, but I do get it. At least he's only 24 or whatever. Theoretically, his best years may still be coming and I'd be hard pressed to think that his value is going to bottom out beyond where he's at right now.
 
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