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Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part IV

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JimEIV said:
A #2 overall, 21 years old, D+3 only on the cusp and struggling....is not the arch anyone signed up for on July 7th 2022.
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Meh I would be patient. He was fantastic last year and had his confidence shaken this season after recovering from an injury over the summer.

He’s getting better and better with each game. Had the highest xGF% of any defenseman last night by a decent margin.

Defensemen take a long time to bake, especially guys who aren’t elite skaters like Makar and Hughes.
 
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guitarguyvic said:
Elias was nearing the end of his career by 2012, are you serious? I said “prime” for a reason. Are our guys not in their primes?

We used to be besides ourselves if someone like Parise or Kovy went 5 games without a goal. Now we have guys in thei prime who I’m told are part of a top core in the league but can’t be trusted to not go on a goal scoring freeze lasting a quarter of a season. Like, what are we doing here?
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Elias has 78 points in 81 games in 2011-12. So yes, 8 pts in 24 playoff games is bad and "not consistent" (meaningless word salad, what does this even mean?)

I already showed you stretches of Parise and Zajac in their "prime" (again, meaningless word salad) in 11-12 where they went 15 games without putting up good numbers.

At the start of 2010-2011, Kovalchuk had a stretch of 6 pts in 21 games and 9 pts in 25. (SOURCE Ilya Kovalchuk 2010-11 Game Log | Hockey-Reference.com)

Again, your notion is false. Why do you keep doing this? All players have stretches of struggles. EVERY one.
 
JimEIV said:
A #2 overall, 21 years old, D+3 only on the cusp and struggling....is not the arch anyone signed up for on July 7th 2022.
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That draft was beyond mediocre anyway, people here talking about Cooley don't realize the fascination that the management had with Slafkovsky to pair him up with Jack and finally get a power forward with him. The hype train with Slaf and ending him up at 1 is probably what caused them to go Nemec. This team was pretty ok at center July of 2022.
 
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Unknown Caller said:
Notwithstanding first overalls (which Shero accurately took Jack and Nico in contested years), here’s the NHL caliber forward talent drafted by Shero and Fitzgerald.

They both have overseen 5 drafts.

Shero: Zacha, McLeod, Bastian, Bratt, Boqvist, Zetterlund, Sharangovich, Gritsyuk

Fitzgerald: Mercer, Hameenaho
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While I do think Fitzgerald needs to take literally all forwards in this coming draft and has some real whiffs on that side of the puck - Stillman, Pytlik, and Hauser look like superbusts, players who won't become long-term reliable pros in 2nd tier leagues - Shero didn't draft a defenseman worth anything, really. Rykov was worth ~a 3rd in a trade, Ty Smith worth ~a 2nd, Davies was worth a decent amount in a deal, Walsh and Okhotiuk were worth a tiny amount in trade, and Misyul looks like he's going to return to Russia. The D drafted by Shero have played a combined 223 NHL games (307 if you count 2015 which I don't, really), and none of them are NHL regulars or will be. I like Casey, Vilen, Orlov, and Karpovich to beat that record.
 
Zajacs Bowl Cut said:
Elias has 78 points in 81 games in 2011-12. So yes, 8 pts in 24 playoff games is bad and "not consistent" (meaningless word salad, what does this even mean?)

I already showed you stretches of Parise and Zajac in their "prime" (again, meaningless word salad) in 11-12 where they went 15 games without putting up good numbers.

At the start of 2010-2011, Kovalchuk had a stretch of 6 pts in 21 games. (SOURCE Ilya Kovalchuk 2010-11 Game Log | Hockey-Reference.com)

Again, your notion is false. All players have stretches of struggles. EVERY one.
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The difference is that those teams regularly made the playoffs and they've only made it twice since the Cup run. They didn't have a loser mentality like this young, cocky, but fragile group.
 
Unknown Caller said:
Meh I would be patient. He was fantastic last year and had his confidence shaken this season after recovering from an injury over the summer.

He’s getting better and better with each game. Had the highest xGF% of any defenseman last night by a decent margin.
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He wasn't fantastic last year that's the problem. His reads are very slow even now he's taking too long to process the play in front of him...and he doesn't do anything particularly well on top of that. He's not big, he's not strong, he's not fast, he doesn't have a big powerful shot, he's not an amazing passer... couple all that with a slow processor....signs point to average at best.
 
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TheBeerNerd said:
The difference is that those teams regularly made the playoffs and they've only made it twice since the Cup run. They didn't have a loser mentality like this young, cocky, but fragile group.
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I don't really give a shit about what happened 10 and 12 years ago. It has no bearing on anything.
 
Triumph said:
While I do think Fitzgerald needs to take literally all forwards in this coming draft and has some real whiffs on that side of the puck - Stillman, Pytlik, and Hauser look like superbusts, players who won't become long-term reliable pros in 2nd tier leagues - Shero didn't draft a defenseman worth anything, really. Rykov was worth ~a 3rd in a trade, Ty Smith worth ~a 2nd, Davies was worth a decent amount in a deal, Walsh and Okhotiuk were worth a tiny amount in trade, and Misyul looks like he's going to return to Russia. The D drafted by Shero have played a combined 223 NHL games (307 if you count 2015 which I don't, really), and none of them are NHL regulars or will be. I like Casey, Vilen, Orlov, and Karpovich to beat that record.
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Fitzgerald is trying to create a team that would have been successful when he played. The drafting has been very hit and miss under his oversight. Castron is still there and I presume a number of the same scouts are as well. The same group that found Bratt, and Shara, and Zetterlund now can't evaluate a player? Something is off and I'm not sure what. The lack of centers in the pipeline is awful and has been brewing for some time.
 
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My3Sons said:
Fitzgerald is trying to create a team that would have been successful when he played. The drafting has been very hit and miss under his oversight. Castron is still there and I presume a number of the same scouts are as well. The same group that found Bratt, and Shara, and Zetterlund now can't evaluate a player? Something is off and I'm not sure what. The lack of centers in the pipeline is awful and has been brewing for some time.
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Elaborate on this.
 
JimEIV said:
He wasn't fantastic last year that's the problem. His reads are very slow even now he's taking too long to process the play in front of him...and he doesn't do anything particularly well on top of that. He's not big, he's not strong, he's not fast, he doesn't have a big powerful shot, he's not an amazing passer... couple all that with a slow processor....signs point to average at best.
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Yes he was.

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Unknown Caller said:
Meh I would be patient. He was fantastic last year and had his confidence shaken this season after recovering from an injury over the summer.

He’s getting better and better with each game. Had the highest xGF% of any defenseman last night by a decent margin.

Defensemen take a long time to bake, especially guys who aren’t elite skaters like Makar and Hughes.
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No, trade him and get value for him. We have a log jam on the right side and he has no way moving forward. The teams window is now, not 3 years from now. Get assets for a guy that still has value.
 
Devils should be trying to get McLeod from Buffalo who's actually good and better than his scumbag brother we had. Try for Peterka as well.

Then go after McCann if Seattle is willing.
 
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You know, not for nothing, but Ellen was plagued by consistent injuries as a player too. She fought for years to get women's hockey into the Olympics only to get her knee shredded one final time before Nagano 1998. Maybe her skating style, while dazzling to watch, leaves you injury prone when you can't keep your footing.
JimEIV said:
Have fun with your pokemon cards
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The eye test matched the card stats last year. You're foolish and just posting doom for the sake of it if you couldn't see that. And I say that as the guy who might be blaming the sins of the mother on Jack's injuries.
 
Imagine being so fantastic that interim coach in the garbage portion of a lost season healthy scratches you?

That fantastic.
 
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