Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part III

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With the Devils now in LTIR and not accruing cap space, I wonder if Fitzgerald pulls the trigger on a deal before the deadline.

As far as I’m aware, there’s no reason not to at this point if he finds a willing partner.

100000% i said it yesterday the devils shouldn't be using a 1st round pick for the next 5+ years. after reading comments today that you can throw away a pick because it was super late in the first round and then only expect to get a top 9 player in the 15-20 range then yes trade them and improve the team now
 
No one would be complaining about Mercer if he didn't have 56 points in his 2nd season. That season set unrealistic expectations (I distinctly remember a certain poster saying that Mercer made Hischier expendable). If this is all he ends up being then he's certainly not a bust, he will have a long NHL career as a valuable player and that's a very good thing to get from the 18th overall pick.

That being said, I am increasingly growing concerned at our development process. Nearly all of these top picks were taken right around where people expected them to go pre-draft, but I'm struggling to think of one that has exceeded expectations.

With Nemec it's a little puzzling because I feel as though every decision regarding him was the right one - let him learn in the AHL for a year, when he filled in for Dougie he looked good, slow start this year due to injury but he turned it around, but now suddenly he doesn't remember how to play hockey? Very weird. He was not jerked around in the way that Holtz or Daws were, he straight up lost his spot.

That said, Fitz's inability to get us adequate NHL depth has forced some of these young players into positions they shouldn't be in early in their careers. I can't help but feel like that for at least some of these players it's related to them failing to exceed or sometimes even meet expectations.
It’s a bit strange in all honesty cause Castron’s draft history, even going back to Columbus is quite strong.

Ever since Fitzgerald took over the drafting has gone downhill. He road the coattails off of some of the Shero/Castron’s picks in 2022-23, but we’ve had next to nothing to reinforce the pipeline since then.

Guys like Mercer and Hughes have developed into what should be expected, but we don’t seem to have a Bratt or Sharangovich pick exceeding expectations in the last few years. A bit worried that Fitzgerald is pushing the “get big and heavy” narrative rather than BPA with later picks.
 
The last page+ about drafting woes is exactly why Nemec should only be moved for a young forward, if he is moved. A middling-aged veteran just shortens the window by moving futures for short-term bumps

Im not really concerned with having to win a Cup before Jack has even turned 25... and odds are I dont think were truly contending until Nico has signed his new contract and we know what number he sits at post cap-bumps

This timeline also lines up with Luke and the young defense like Casey (maybe Nemec) Silayev and so on being of age to contribute at a high level
 
true but i'm def not going to take advice from you since your the same guy that tells me zacha wasn't a bust at 6 lol

middle 6 is the political term thrown around here but hes really just a 3rd liner with fringe top 6 potential in limited times. lets not forget i did say lesser extent mercer but thats lost in all this.

Zacha was drafted 10 years ago and has already played 600+ games in the NHL. In no sense of the imagination is he a bust.

And no, there really is not much difference between 2nd and 3rd line as far as ice time goes in today's NHL. That is just factual. Almost every team looks at it as top 9 vs 4th line nowadays.
 
They aren't accruing any space at all? Or any space for Siegenthaler?

I feel like (based on his interview with Lebrun) that Fitz already has his target and a trade but the other team is waiting until they are ready.
Every day you’re not in LTIR and under the cap, you accrue space for that day. It’s partially why the Devils were operating with the bare minimum roster for a bit during home stands and sending guys like Dowling down on off days.

Once you are in LTIR, you no longer accrue cap space but can exceed it by that players cap hit (a little more nuanced than this but that’s the basics).

The Devils entered LTIR after 4 Nations by placing Siegenthaler on LTIR so they can now exceed the cap by whatever they accrued + Siegenthaler for the time being. Considering Siegenthaler doesn’t appear to be out long term, they do need to make sure they will be complaint when he returns though.
 
Once you are in LTIR, you no longer accrue cap space but can exceed it by that players cap hit (a little more nuanced than this but that’s the basics).

The Devils entered LTIR after 4 Nations by placing Siegenthaler on LTIR so they can now exceed the cap by whatever they accrued + Siegenthaler for the time being. Considering Siegenthaler doesn’t appear to be out long term, they do need to make sure they will be complaint when he returns though.
The Devils have a player on LTIR but are still under the cap so they are still accumulating, I believe.
 
So the Devils have the LTIR amount us the cap space amount to use to acquire a player(s).

I think what's confusing is the LTIR shows the amountt of Siegs cap hit and total cap space combined...$5,127,231 correct? And in that scenario ONLY Siegs cap hit needs to be accounted for when he is back which is 3.4 mill? So theoretically we only have a little over 1.7 mill in cap space aside from Siegs?
 
Zacha was drafted 10 years ago and has already played 600+ games in the NHL. In no sense of the imagination is he a bust.

And no, there really is not much difference between 2nd and 3rd line as far as ice time goes in today's NHL. That is just factual. Almost every team looks at it as top 9 vs 4th line nowadays.

so thats the type of production to be expected from that draft position? like i said to the other poster go get a job with the rangers then and please feed them that type of information.

lol always something new with you lol so now we dont have 2nd and 3rd lines everyone is the same and ice time is going to become the new hf phrase. its great though but bottom line is hes on the bottom end of whatever line combos phrase you want to throw out there
 
if nemec is a bust then they really need to look at the scouting nemec joining the long list holtz/mercer/stillman/smith/mikey for first round duds

lesser extent mercer and muk eh he isn't on the team so dont really follow him.

2017 seemed to be the peak year of players after round 1 even then its pretty meh how do you miss with so many 1s though

Mercer was #18 and he has the 5th most points out of the 2020 draft.

How is he a miss lol.
 
so thats the type of production to be expected from that draft position? like i said to the other poster go get a job with the rangers then and please feed them that type of information.

lol always something new with you lol so now we dont have 2nd and 3rd lines everyone is the same and ice time is going to become the new hf phrase. its great though but bottom line is hes on the bottom end of whatever line combos phrase you want to throw out there
Here is a list of forwards to put up more PPG then Zacha drafted 6th overall in the Last 20 years:

Sean Monahan
Matthew Tkachuk
Mika Zibanejad

Thats the list. 13 forwards drafted in the last 20 years, 3 of them better production then Pavel Zacha across 20 years.
 
Keep Daws up in NJ. Trade Allen for anything. Use cap space at the deadline to get anything that improves your roster.
You're sold on Daws by a TWO game sample size?

No thanks, I'll keep BOTH and enjoy the goalie depth.

We're not even paying $2 million for Allen this year. How much do we honestly open up by getting rid of him?
 
Here is a list of forwards to put up more PPG then Zacha drafted 6th overall in the Last 20 years:

Sean Monahan
Matthew Tkachuk
Mika Zibanejad

Thats the list. 13 forwards drafted in the last 20 years, 3 of them better production then Pavel Zacha across 20 years.
thats good to know

listen you have your view on what type of production the 6th pick should produce and be on a lineup and i have mine. you want to fill your team with zacha level production go for it.

He scored 131 points and 64 goals for less than 3 million dollars total
hes not a 3rd liner?

No, Top 9 and 4th line designation is not "something new". It is discussed on this board ad nauseum.
I'll add that to my hf lingo wonder how long unitl it will be called top 12 lol lol lol
 
thats good to know

listen you have your view on what type of production the 6th pick should produce and be on a lineup and i have mine. you want to fill your team with zacha level production go for it.


hes not a 3rd liner?


I'll add that to my hf lingo wonder how long unitl it will be called top 12 lol lol lol
He plays 18 minutes a night.

If you could trade pick 18, or even pick 10 for that matter for a guy who puts up that production at a 950k AAV for 3 years you do it in a heartbeat, and that doesn't even account for this year of the 3 more years of contract+rfa control we have on top of that
 
You're sold on Daws by a TWO game sample size?

No thanks, I'll keep BOTH and enjoy the goalie depth.

We're not even paying $2 million for Allen this year. How much do we honestly open up by getting rid of him?


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