Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part III

[JrFischer54]

jury still out but that 22 draft at the top is looking woofy woofy woof

minus cooley


reminder screw the first round picks we have our core and fringe core players use whatever means necessary to get nhl talent to help the team win now.

 

[longislanddevil]

Seattle has a whole slew of players that are rumored to all be available. However, I have not heard Beniers mentioned, nor should he be if you’re Seattle. What would be the point of them dealing him? He’s a talented young player who they should build their franchise around. McCann and Bjorkstrand should be our targets.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I’d still be pretty selective in a Nemec deal. I think I’d be satisfied with a McCann deal. We probably lose in the long term but that’s a great fit in the short term. There isn’t that much out there that makes much sense.

 

[Forge]

Fans almost always overrate the trade value of their players, especially young ones. If Nemec gets moved it probably won't be for as much as people think. But it won't be terrible either. Teams seem to be much more bullish on change of scenery young defensemen than change of scenery young defensemen.

If Nemec gets moved it won't be for futures like the Jiricek deal. He'll either be the main piece in a deal for a big name player or in a one-for-one hockey trade for a struggling young forward.

Even if he got moved for the jiricek deal, I wouldn't mind. Especially if they use those picks in other trades.

If he gets moved for a player, wouldn't surprise me if people are underwhelmed with the player they get back. Some sort of nemec for rakell type deal (rakell is like 32, so I hope not, but off the top of my head couldn't think of a middle six wing in his late 20s who has a couple of years left)

 

[NJDevs26]

The problem with the quick take of Nemec blew it, Casey shines is that it focuses on offense. Casey will always be a more electric offense player. His shot has eyes and gets through everyone and everything. It's hard, accurate. He's a slick, quick skater and makes plays.

But Nemec likely is the better ceiling for defense (which is the purpose of the position). So I'm troubled at the moment. Would I like to go back in time and draft Cooley instead? YES. But that's because we're dying for NHL forwards (which is why the drunk proposal for Beniers for Nemec, Mercer, 1st, Foote doesn't work - it would have to be Beniers PLUS a forward like Gourde because we'd have a hole on the wing then). It is NOT because I think Nemec is not a top prospect.

That’s what’s troubling on Nemec though, the smarts and defensive IQ are supposed to be a strength, not a weakness

 

[JrFischer54]

I’d still be pretty selective in a Nemec deal. I think I’d be satisfied with a McCann deal. We probably lose in the long term but that’s a great fit in the short term. There isn’t that much out there that makes much sense.

listen i'm not bashing you with this proposal because i've seen others post it and i'll admit i dont follow around players like everyone else does on here but a quick look at his stats kinda leaves a lot to be desired only touching 30 goals twice 60pts twice on a down year this season. maybe there is some fancy advanced moneyball stats that everyone loves on here but personally i think nemec should fetch more at least the perception of what he could become should get us more. i agree its a deal we probably could lose in the longer term but short team makes sense just doesn't scream a good return imo.

 

[JrFischer54]

The brakes 100% have to be pumped on the Nemec takes. But, if Casey can continue to be as productive as he has been and be a difference maker (in a completely different type of role granted), I will certainly be more open to listening to offers that involve him to fill the other holes in the roster.

I still am not giving up on him, because you’d be crazy to want to at this stage of his development. But if you’re offering me something spicy in return, maybe I’m more willing to listen.

i agree a lot of people are overreacting with casey and wanting to dump nemec. either one of them should/ve been on on the trading block once the season started. team needs help whoever they think can get the bigger return should be looked at. personally i think there are more shut down journeymen out there that we can patch work around a trade of nemec. but up to fitz

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Seattle isn't moving their 1c player who's become really good. Seattle has less than zero reasons to move him. He's on a long-term contract with them and very much like Caufield in terms of good young player's not being moved.

I'm sure you're right. We'd likely have to add but even then he's a cornerstone piece. We'd essentially be relying on Ron Francis to make a mistake.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I’d still be pretty selective in a Nemec deal. I think I’d be satisfied with a McCann deal. We probably lose in the long term but that’s a great fit in the short term. There isn’t that much out there that makes much sense.

Beniers and Byfield would be worthwhile targets if we could find a way there.

Hayton might be interesting too.

Reichel is a guy who might be worth taking a flyer on, though we could get him for less than Nemec. He'd be a great fit here IMO.

 

[Devs3cups]

I definitely understand the Nemec discussion, especially if Casey keeps playing the way he has. With that being said, Nemec has shown a lot last year imo and his struggles this year are represented by only a handful of games. He’s played 12 NHL games this season. Struggles in a 2 week sample size can definitely happen, even with top players. There’s also some context to at least partially explain his struggles.

I just think there needs to be some caution around moving him.

 

[Benstheman]

What's the timeline for the return of Markstrom?

 

[Better Call Sal]

What's the timeline for the return of Markstrom?

The original timeline when he was injured was 4-6 weeks. Last week was week 4 and he did some work before practice a couple of days to get out there and get shots on the ice. He hasn't gotten any full practices yet with the team, but he is traveling with them on this 5 game road trip.

Maybe there's a small outside chance he plays one of the back-to-back games coming up this weekend, but I think the earliest chance he could play is next week either in Dallas or when we return home against Winnipeg.

 

[Benstheman]

The original timeline when he was injured was 4-6 weeks. Last week was week 4 and he did some work before practice a couple of days to get out there and get shots on the ice. He hasn't gotten any full practices yet with the team, but he is traveling with them on this 5 game road trip.

Maybe there's a small outside chance he plays one of the back-to-back games coming up this weekend, but I think the earliest chance he could play is next week either in Dallas or when we return home against Winnipeg.

Ok thanks form the info.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Beniers and Byfield would be worthwhile targets if we could find a way there.

Hayton might be interesting too.

Reichel is a guy who might be worth taking a flyer on, though we could get him for less than Nemec. He'd be a great fit here IMO.

I mean with all respect, teams aren't trading three of the guys you mentioned in Beniers, Byfield and Hayton. All of them have broken out and been given long term extensions. Don't know much about Reichel , but isn't he on Chicago

 

[TheBeerNerd]

There's no rush to bring back Marky anyway. Allen and Daws are holding it down well.

 

[Clam Jensen]

I mean with all respect, teams aren't trading three of the guys you mentioned in Beniers, Byfield and Hayton. All of them have broken out and been given long term extensions. Don't know much about Reichel , but isn't he on Chicago

Nemec could definitely fetch Hayton.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

listen i'm not bashing you with this proposal because i've seen others post it and i'll admit i dont follow around players like everyone else does on here but a quick look at his stats kinda leaves a lot to be desired only touching 30 goals twice 60pts twice on a down year this season. maybe there is some fancy advanced moneyball stats that everyone loves on here but personally i think nemec should fetch more at least the perception of what he could become should get us more. i agree its a deal we probably could lose in the longer term but short team makes sense just doesn't scream a good return imo.

I don’t think McCann is the greatest player, but I like the cap hit and the term. And he has one of the best shots in the league, which is a nice fit. I don’t think Nemec is returning a better player than that if I’m honest, if he could even get that.

 

[Zacha37]

Weren’t the McCann rumors basically shut down last week unless I’m missing something? I’m hoping he becomes available but it seems like a long shot at this point in my eyes.

 

[JrFischer54]

I don’t think McCann is the greatest player, but I like the cap hit and the term. And he has one of the best shots in the league, which is a nice fit. I don’t think Nemec is returning a better player than that if I’m honest, if he could even get that.

your probably right on the level of return for him but man its just crazy how a guy can go from top prospect #2 pick untouchable asset with cap friendly ELC and team control and all them buzzwords i've read on here to that level of a dud return. i don't want the devils making a first round draft pick until jack hughes turns 30

 

[Devils Trap]

Between the LTIR stuff and all the cap saving moves we been doing, I could see the team trying to make a trade today before they go out west on this road trip

 

[Mgd31]

Beniers and Byfield would be worthwhile targets if we could find a way there.

Hayton might be interesting too.

Reichel is a guy who might be worth taking a flyer on, though we could get him for less than Nemec. He'd be a great fit here IMO.

Hayton would be amazing. He is a very solid player.

Don't think Arizona gives him up though, he is basically their number 1/2 center.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Top 3 PP. Top 3 PK. Strong goaltending and defense. Strong top end talent. #believe

 

[bossram]

That’s what’s troubling on Nemec though, the smarts and defensive IQ are supposed to be a strength, not a weakness

Nemec's defensive IQ was a weakness for him going back to his draft year. I remember reading a lot scouting reports taking issue with when/how he lunges at attackers at the wrong times, or defers to sagging too huge of a gap. Comparable I heard was Morgan Rielly (great skater, some offensive pop, terrible defensively).

I wanted Wright at the draft. Not that he was the correct pick in hindsight (Cooley), but Wright would fill a major need for the club right now.

 

[None Shall Pass]

Nemec has only played 3 games in the NHL this year where he had a functional shoulder. One of them he was very good in. I'd need to see a lot more than that before proclaiming he's good/ not good/bust/whatever.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Nemec's defensive IQ was a weakness for him going back to his draft year. I remember reading a lot scouting reports taking issue with when/how he lunges at attackers at the wrong times, or defers to sagging too huge of a gap. Comparable I heard was Morgan Rielly (great skater, some offensive pop, terrible defensively).

I wanted Wright at the draft. Not that he was the correct pick in hindsight (Cooley), but Wright would fill a major need for the club right now.

If Nemec could skate like Reilly he'd be in the lineup IMO. I think some of his skating issues were overlooked by a lot of scouts. He always looked pretty sluggish to me.

A guy with mediocre skating, poor positioning, and questionable judgment on pinches shouldn't have been drafted so high. A great skater can mask those issues, but that'll never be Simon unfortunately.