Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part III

[SKNJD9]

Nor should you. IB been out there doing this for like a decade and it certainly hasn't been a common occurrence for him to be right

dude throws shit at a wall until something sticks he's a known joke...pretty sure a self admitted one too

 

[Lou Bloom]

So then do you think Casey is an elite prospect? Because I see you include him in the future plans but not Nemec, therefore its fair to assume you value him higher?

Thats all my point is. I dont see Nemec as being a trade piece simply because some value him less or see less potential in him than Casey. I value both similarly in potential and think Nemec has a better chance to be more influential defensively than Casey

I included him because he's a good, near NHL ready RD prospect which along with Hamilton, Pesce and Kovacevic shows the Devils have a lot of depth at RD, which opens up trading Nemec. The reason I prefer to keep him over Nemec is because even though I think they're of similar quality Nemec will have much more trade value due to his draft status and unlike Nemec, Casey seems to have no problem developing in Utica for another season which makes keeping him and Kovacevic an option.

And I dont ascribe my opinions to that of a prospect scout or even an avid viewer, either. If the case truly is Nemec is worse than he was a year or two ago, then so be it. I just havent heard that anywhere else other than around these parts

It's not about getting worse, It's about his development curve stalling and not improving at areas that were problems even in his draft season. If he was showcasing better defensive position, physicality or skating then I'd be more optimistic about his potential but with those warts still clearly in his game it makes you reevaluate his potential.

ersonally Id like to keep both but If I had to choose id prefer to move Casey because I feel Luke Hughes is the PP1 anchor going forward (unless we go to a two defenseman setup, thats fair too)

Nemec isn't good defensively either. They both have warts there currently but one player is on an upward development trajectory in that area and the other has largely stalled out in making defensive improvements. And if you view them equally or close to equal as prospects then trading the one with more value on the market that doesn't want to play in Utica next season makes more sense in both trade value return and roster flexibility.

 

[New Jerseys Devil]

I included him because he's a good, near NHL ready RD prospect which along with Hamilton, Pesce and Kovacevic shows the Devils have a lot of depth at RD, which opens up trading Nemec. The reason I prefer to keep him over Nemec is because even though I think they're of similar quality Nemec will have much more trade value due to his draft status and unlike Nemec, Casey seems to have no problem developing in Utica for another season which makes keeping him and Kovacevic an option.

It's not about getting worse, It's about his development curve stalling and not improving at areas that were problems even in his draft season. If he was showcasing better defensive position, physicality or skating then I'd be more optimistic about his potential but with those warts still clearly in his game it makes you reevaluate his potential.

Nemec isn't good defensively either. They both have warts there currently but one player is on an upward development trajectory in that area and the other has largely stalled out in making defensive improvements. And if you view them equally or close to equal as prospects then trading the one with more value on the market that doesn't want to play in Utica next season makes more sense in both trade value return and roster flexibility.

Fair enough! We may not see eye to eye on how to approach the situation but I feel we both just want whats best for the team. I can understand your side on how to approach things.

I am not locked into any one feeling about the team (other than Nico being a lifelong Devil!!) so Im sure if Nemec was moved id be over it within a week like everyone else before him lol. And I was wrong about the Larsson trade so I could very well be wrong here too

Either way I hope the Devils, Casey, and Nemec do well; whether together or not!

 

[None Shall Pass]

I mean our GM is on the record saying he's going to make trades, our team is fiddling with call-ups to gain cap space, etc. Rumor mongers saying "Watch out for New Jersey" aren't saying anything new at all.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I mean our GM is on the record saying he's going to make trades, our team is fiddling with call-ups to gain cap space, etc. Rumor mongers saying "Watch out for New Jersey" aren't saying anything new at all.

Yeah it's out in the open that Fitz is looking for a long term top 6 player for Jack and a bottom 6 rental.

 

[Zippy316]

I think there’s a really good chance that the Devils regret moving Nemec.

However, I am at the point where I’d absolutely put him on the table for McCann, if he’s available.

Not really sure there’s anyone out there that’s realistically available that I would say the same.

 

[glenwo2]

I think there’s a really good chance that the Devils regret moving Nemec.

However, I am at the point where I’d absolutely put him on the table for McCann, if he’s available.

Not really sure there’s anyone out there that’s realistically available that I would say the same.

The thing is that if Casey continues to play well for us, then that softens the blow somewhat if we moved Nemec.

 

[MadDevil]

The thing is that if Casey continues to play well for us, then that softens the blow somewhat if we moved Nemec.

Sure, if he's for real. Nemec looked really good in the beginning too. So did Mercer. Now they don't look so good, which might be something the team should look into.

 

[Lou Bloom]

Fair enough! We may not see eye to eye on how to approach the situation but I feel we both just want whats best for the team. I can understand your side on how to approach things.

I am not locked into any one feeling about the team (other than Nico being a lifelong Devil!!) so Im sure if Nemec was moved id be over it within a week like everyone else before him lol. And I was wrong about the Larsson trade so I could very well be wrong here too

Either way I hope the Devils, Casey, and Nemec do well; whether together or not!

Completely fair. I could definitely be wrong on Nemec, I still think he's a very good prospect and wouldn't be so gung ho about moving him if it wasn't for the logjam at RD and the severe lack of depth at forward.

 

[ninetyeight]

Very disappointed with Nemec. Struggled early season after the injury, was sent down and struggled in the AHL. Finally started getting back to his game, got another shot at the NHL level and absolutely blew it. While Casey seems to rising to the occasion.

I still think Nemec will be a top 4 D, it might take some time though. I doubt he'll ever live up to his draft position, but I guess most already thought this when he was drafted. He's got the talent, but him crumbling under pressure and failing to step up when he gets the chance is concerning.

I think we are spoiled with Luke, as it really isn't easy for defencemen to dominate so early on, especially when they are coming from european rinks.

I think we either deal him right now for a top6 scorer, or ride him out to the end. Don't want him to be another Zacha, Holtz etc where we trade him after his value has already plummeted. Either trade him now or stick with him.

I would love to package him and our other top prospects, to get a true star player like Caufield. But young guys like that aren't moving unless there are issues.