Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part III

[Bcap88]

 

[Devils731]

The Blues owner walks into your office and asks what assets you got in return? He reminds you that they've spent $15M on this player and committed another $9M to this player for the next two seasons. The owner reminds you that they're in a retool, NOT a rebuild. You have a win-now coach, in JM. What is your response? (lol)

I don’t follow the question?

Who am I in this scenario? If I’m another team’s GM then I don’t really care about the Blues situation that much but I know I don’t want Saad’s contract even if I give up no assets, every GM in the league made that decision.

 

[AfroThunder396]

The Blues owner walks into your office and asks what assets you got in return? He reminds you that they've spent $15M on this player and committed another $9M to this player for the next two seasons. The owner reminds you that they're in a retool, NOT a rebuild. You have a win-now coach, in JM. What is your response? (lol)

That 4.5M in prorated cap space at the deadline is a lot more valuable to a playoff contender than what Saad is doing on the ice.

What trade return are you expecting for a guy languishing on the 4th line that just passed through waivers unclaimed? Do you want to win trades or do you want to win games?

 

[JrFischer54]

I'm more convinced than ever that this extension walks us right to Quinn.

Not like Luke is going anywhere but if we treat him well and we assume Jack is happy there's only 2 years left on Quinn's deal and the drama in Vancouver isn't a recipe for keeping a guy who has a legit reason to leave.

Nieds turned down a max deal in NJ to win a Cup with his brother in Anaheim. It'd be great to be on the other side of that story.

i can see quinn doing like a 6 year deal here then jack reups for 5 and they try and time it with luke and his ufa after his 8 year deal is up. bam!

 

[theoptimist]

I don’t follow the question?

Who am I in this scenario? If I’m another team’s GM then I don’t really care about the Blues situation that much but I know I don’t want Saad’s contract even if I give up no assets, every GM in the league made that decision.

He sucks and quit on his team. That's what I'm getting at. He's no good here. You said you didn't think he was quitting, I think worse. This shows just how dumb the Blues are and the NHL for allowing these types of moves. There should be a cooling off period of 3 months or so for any contracts in season

 

[TrufleShufle]

He sucks and quit on his team. That's what I'm getting at. He's no good here. You said you didn't think he was quitting, I think worse. This shows just how dumb the Blues are and the NHL for allowing these types of moves. There should be a cooling off period of 3 months or so for any contracts in season

Wait so who's the bad guy? Saad or the team? Or you just looking for one?

Saad wants to play, doesn't care about the contract presumably. Blues are happy to let that happen. Other teams now will be happy to get an ok depth guy for cheaper. Literally everyone wins.... I'm not understanding.

 

[MasterofGrond]

Why not have that hunger with the Blues? Why are the Blues mismanaging an asset this bad? How long have they been trying to trade him? Why not wait until the summer? He doesn't like Jim Montgomery or something?

The blues didn’t give him a choice lmao, they sent him down.

 

[Devils731]

He sucks and quit on his team. That's what I'm getting at. He's no good here. You said you didn't think he was quitting, I think worse. This shows just how dumb the Blues are and the NHL for allowing these types of moves. There should be a cooling off period of 3 months or so for any contracts in season

I don’t think he quit on the team, the team sent him away. Do you have any evidence of him quitting?

IMO, The Blues are so happy this is happening and it seems like you think they’re getting screwed.

 

[TrufleShufle]

I don’t think he quit on the team, the team sent him away. Do you have any evidence of him quitting?

IMO, The Blues are so happy this is happening and it seems like you think they’re getting screwed.

He's optimistic he can find something to be mad at, give him time to work it out.

 

[BostonDevil]

i can see quinn doing like a 6 year deal here then jack reups for 5 and they try and time it with luke and his ufa after his 8 year deal is up. bam!

I don't even think it will come to that. If they, and Fitz/whoever are smart, they stagger their deals so that one is up every 3 years. That way the player can maximize their return and actually stay together. Nobody is going to be able to afford all 3 at one time.

 

[Incharge1976]

Wait so who's the bad guy? Saad or the team? Or you just looking for one?

Saad wants to play, doesn't care about the contract presumably. Blues are happy to let that happen. Other teams now will be happy to get an ok depth guy for cheaper. Literally everyone wins.... I'm not understanding.

In theory I agree with allowing teams and players to nix a contract. With that said, the team agreeing to terminate the contract should have to keep the cap hit for the remainder of the year while the team that signs said player should have to take the cap hit on the contract that was terminated, not some low amount when they sign the player.

Everyone wins would be the entire league, not just the two teams and player.

Cap hit = $4M at time of termination

1. Team terminating gets to save some bucks but not the cap space

2. Team signing the player takes on the cap space of the original contract

3. Player gets to try to go where he pleases.

Moves like this shouldn't be win-win-win for all involved.

 

[NJDevs26]

The Blues owner walks into your office and asks what assets you got in return? He reminds you that they've spent $15M on this player and committed another $9M to this player for the next two seasons. The owner reminds you that they're in a retool, NOT a rebuild. You have a win-now coach, in JM. What is your response? (lol)

Obviously they gave the okay to get rid of him though...I really don't get what your argument is here. If they were going to laugh the GM out of the room for saying he has no place on the team then he wouldn't have been waived and bought out.

 

[TrufleShufle]

In theory I agree with allowing teams and players to nix a contract. With that said, the team agreeing to terminate the contract should have to keep the cap hit for the remainder of the year while the team that signs said player should have to take the cap hit on the contract that was terminated, not some low amount when they sign the player.

Everyone wins would be the entire league, not just the two teams and player.

Cap hit = $4M at time of termination

1. Team terminating gets to save some bucks but not the cap space

2. Team signing the player takes on the cap space of the original contract

3. Player gets to try to go where he pleases.

Moves like this shouldn't be win-win-win for all involved.

Every team in the league had a chance to take him for free if they wanted they, all said no. The entire league as a whole said, he is not worth that contract. If Saad didn't care he would still get the money owed to him and play in the AHL. Blues still would be on the hook. All parties agreed to go their own way, now every team in the league can bid for what they think he's worth. If they were going to re work the rules to satisfy some problem, you would have to find someone on the losing end of this. Doesn't sound like anyone is on the losing end, so why would it need to be changed?



Not everything has to be an issue that needs to be fixed.

 

[NJDevs26]

I don’t think he quit on the team, the team sent him away. Do you have any evidence of him quitting?

IMO, The Blues are so happy this is happening and it seems like you think they’re getting screwed.

Yeah him quitting just because...he agreed to a buyout after already being waived and put on the trading block is pretty sketchy at best.

Plus who would he have even been quitting on at this point, Springfield?

 

[Triumph]

Saad did not get bought out. He is not receiving any money for terminating his contract. The rest of the league will receive slightly more money as a result, whatever money was left on his deal this season divided among the players equally, as a result of escrow payments (less whatever he signs for elsewhere and whatever St. Louis does with the cap room). I won't go through and do the math on that but it's probably like $20 per player.

 

[MasterofGrond]

I simply cannot understand how anybody could construe sacrificing 4+ million guaranteed dollars for a chance to play in the NHL instead of riding the bus in the AHL as anything but a belief in one’s self and a desire to play meaningful hockey lmao

it’s called mutual termination for a reason, both sides want this!

 

[dgibb10]

Saad did not get bought out. He is not receiving any money for terminating his contract. The rest of the league will receive slightly more money as a result, whatever money was left on his deal this season divided among the players equally, as a result of escrow payments (less whatever he signs for elsewhere and whatever St. Louis does with the cap room). I won't go through and do the math on that but it's probably like $20 per player.

That would be 300,000 players in the league each recieving 20$

 

[Maine Fan]

Perfect time to rest, next game is 3 1/2 days away against Buffalo. On paper, the Devils should win, they have the winning feeling coming off the Flyers game.

One at a time.

 

[MasterofGrond]

buffalo sucks ass i am confident in victory

 

[theoptimist]

Every team in the league had a chance to take him for free if they wanted they, all said no. The entire league as a whole said, he is not worth that contract. If Saad didn't care he would still get the money owed to him and play in the AHL. Blues still would be on the hook. All parties agreed to go their own way, now every team in the league can bid for what they think he's worth. If they were going to re work the rules to satisfy some problem, you would have to find someone on the losing end of this. Doesn't sound like anyone is on the losing end, so why would it need to be changed?



Not everything has to be an issue that needs to be fixed.

You're right. Let's see if he signs a 1 or 2 year deal now.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

I'm more convinced than ever that this extension walks us right to Quinn.

Not like Luke is going anywhere but if we treat him well and we assume Jack is happy there's only 2 years left on Quinn's deal and the drama in Vancouver isn't a recipe for keeping a guy who has a legit reason to leave.

Nieds turned down a max deal in NJ to win a Cup with his brother in Anaheim. It'd be great to be on the other side of that story.

If he takes a discount sure. There's no way this team would be able to afford what he's worth imo

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

If he takes a discount sure. There's no way this team would be able to afford what he's worth imo

why not? You dump Hamilton and boom its done.

 

[NJDevs26]

buffalo sucks ass i am confident in victory

We’ve had quite a few of those types of games that have been a banana skin this year

 

[theoptimist]

I simply cannot understand how anybody could construe sacrificing 4+ million guaranteed dollars for a chance to play in the NHL instead of riding the bus in the AHL as anything but a belief in one’s self and a desire to play meaningful hockey lmao

it’s called mutual termination for a reason, both sides want this!

Why doesn't Palat want it?

 

[TheBeerNerd]

If he takes a discount sure. There's no way this team would be able to afford what he's worth imo

The cap should be up by a lot more by then and we'll have Palat and Dillon off the books right when Quinn is a UFA. Perhaps by that time Dougie will be gone or close to it.