Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part III

[HughesCorporation]

were do the devils stand in goals by dmen dept? are we lacking here?

 

[Zippy316]

they aren't any different than the last ~6 weeks or so WITH Haula. Dude was a literal zero for weeks if not longer.

Totally missed the plot of what he was saying.

With Haula out, Hughes and Hischier are getting more shifts. Hughes and Bratt are now consistently second wave PKers. Hischier takes every single important faceoff because there’s no one else.

Haula was struggling offensively but he was still providing valuable minutes of ice time to keep the other players fresh. Without that, we are over extending our top six more than we should be.

I’d be curious to see what Dowling’s TOI is before the Haula injury and after and how they compares to Haula’s TOI.

 

[Devils731]

Struggled and disappointed his way to the AHL all-star game.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Totally missed the plot of what he was saying.

With Haula out, Hughes and Hischier are getting more shifts. Hughes and Bratt are now consistently second wave PKers. Hischier takes every single important faceoff because there’s no one else.

Haula was struggling offensively but he was still providing valuable minutes of ice time to keep the other players fresh. Without that, we are over extending our top six more than we should be.

I’d be curious to see what Dowling’s TOI is before the Haula injury and after and how they compares to Haula’s TOI.

oh I agree the lack of 3C play is what is killing the team consistently. But that was the case even when Haula was playing. He was brutal this year.

He didn't have a point since before Thanksgiving!

I don't really care much about faceoffs.

 

[Better Call Sal]

Totally missed the plot of what he was saying.

With Haula out, Hughes and Hischier are getting more shifts. Hughes and Bratt are now consistently second wave PKers. Hischier takes every single important faceoff because there’s no one else.

Haula was struggling offensively but he was still providing valuable minutes of ice time to keep the other players fresh. Without that, we are over extending our top six more than we should be.

I’d be curious to see what Dowling’s TOI is before the Haula injury and after and how they compares to Haula’s TOI.

Prior to the Kraken game, Dowling was averaging 8:42 in the games he played. He's averaging 11:50 a game since then. Pretty significant increase as expected.

 

[HellOnIce]

A retained O’Reilly would cost a ton in assets. Assets that could be used getting a very good player in their prime not a 34 year old that’s declining.

Unless Nashville wanted to do a 1 for 1 trade around Mercer for O’Reilly.

I just don't think that exists - a prime Center 3C who has the pedigree and could really put us over the top. And O'Reilly really a 2C playing down to 3C is a luxury we can have for potentially 3 runs. Limited ice time and east coast travel? Could extend his usefullness. This is where I am.

Edit Add: I don't think Tom has any interest in getting a Center who isn't proven to a locked down net positive 2-way 3C. I don't really want a 25 year old or so, who could be a great 3C but isn't there yet. Would rather spend assets for "this guy knows the job"

they aren't any different than the last ~6 weeks or so WITH Haula. Dude was a literal zero for weeks if not longer.

It's been said - he was still a minutes guy and PK guy - how much was this injury hampering?

Ideally though - 4C come April and someone you can Swiss Army Knife around. Going into April with - jack-Nico-ROR-Haula would be dirty.

 

[Zippy316]

Prior to the Kraken game, Dowling was averaging 8:42 in the games he played. He's averaging 11:50 a game since then. Pretty significant increase as expected.

It looks like Haula was averaging around 15 minutes of TOI per game too. Dowling’s increase still isn’t covering what Haula was providing.

 

[Zippy316]

oh I agree the lack of 3C play is what is killing the team consistently. But that was the case even when Haula was playing. He was brutal this year.

He didn't have a point since before Thanksgiving!

I don't really care much about faceoffs.

It’s killing the team, but it’s even worse when your 3C is now only capable of giving you 12 minutes a game versus 15 minutes.

It’s about the taxing impact of having Hischier take every important defensive zone faceoff and the corresponding shifts that follows, especially at the end of a game. Or Hughes-Bratt being second wave of every single PK and not having a fresh Hughes available when a PK ends to pull back momentum.

I’d rather Haula accomplishing nothing and keeping Hughes/Hischier fresh to do damage on their own shifts, then Dowling accomplishing nothing and Hughes/Hischier have to take on additional shifts on top of it.

Ideally that 3C has much more of an impact than Haula was having, but it’s still a big issue right now.

 

[JimEIV]

Struggled and disappointed his way to the AHL all-star game.

He's a replacement for Casey? We celebrating that?

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I just don't think that exists - a prime Center 3C who has the pedigree and could really put us over the top. And O'Reilly really a 2C playing down to 3C is a luxury we can have for potentially 3 runs. Limited ice time and east coast travel? Could extend his usefullness. This is where I am.

Edit Add: I don't think Tom has any interest in getting a Center who isn't proven to a locked down net positive 2-way 3C. I don't really want a 25 year old or so, who could be a great 3C but isn't there yet. Would rather spend assets for "this guy knows the job"



It's been said - he was still a minutes guy and PK guy - how much was this injury hampering?

Ideally though - 4C come April and someone you can Swiss Army Knife around. Going into April with - jack-Nico-ROR-Haula would be dirty.

but what do I care about a guy who can "eat minutes" if he sucks in those minutes?

of our 12 forwards with 250 minutes at ES, Haula ranks 11th in CF% and 11th in xG%. The only one worse is Dowling who quite frankly shouldn't even be playing when we're healthy.

We have plenty of forwards who can PK.

 

[Better Call Sal]

It looks like Haula was averaging around 15 minutes of TOI per game too. Dowling’s increase still isn’t covering what Haula was providing.

It looks like Nico's average is up another 1:30 in that time period (20:19 to 21:52) and Jack is up even more (22:43 from 20:41). Though to be fair, there's been a bunch of OT games in the mix there too.

 

[Devils731]

He's a replacement for Casey? We celebrating that?

Oh I’m sorry. Would you prefer Casey wasn’t one of the best AHL players and Nemec wasn’t also playing strongly?

I’ll be sure to kicks rocks over the success the 2 guys are having this season. Boohoo.

 

[Lou Bloom]

I just don't think that exists - a prime Center 3C who has the pedigree and could really put us over the top. And O'Reilly really a 2C playing down to 3C is a luxury we can have for potentially 3 runs. Limited ice time and east coast travel? Could extend his usefullness. This is where I am.

Edit Add: I don't think Tom has any interest in getting a Center who isn't proven to a locked down net positive 2-way 3C. I don't really want a 25 year old or so, who could be a great 3C but isn't there yet. Would rather spend assets for "this guy knows the job"



It's been said - he was still a minutes guy and PK guy - how much was this injury hampering?

Ideally though - 4C come April and someone you can Swiss Army Knife around. Going into April with - jack-Nico-ROR-Haula would be dirty.

Where did I imply the Devils could acquire a prime aged 3C? I said if you’re willing to pay a haul for soon to be 34 year old O’Reilly that it would make more sense to use those assets to acquire an actual high end player in their prime not necessarily a center.

That would be dumb to dismiss underrated or under utilized players. The Panthers won a Stanley cup due to players like Bennett, Verhaeghe, Forsling, Montour, etc… who were acquired for cheap and were either under utilized or underperforming, limiting yourself to “this guy knows the job” is poor management especially when said player is 34 and may not perform at their current level for long.

 

[JimEIV]

Oh I’m sorry. Would you prefer Casey wasn’t one of the best AHL players and Nemec wasn’t also playing strongly?

I’ll be sure to kicks rocks over the success the 2 guys are having this season. Boohoo.

Success? Come on man.

This is like the "top 5 all time in PPG for an under 20 year old from Holtz"...

It's just nonsense not even worth mentioning... it's not an achievement.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Success? Come on man.

This is like the "top 5 all time in PPG for an under 20 year old from Holtz"...

It's just nonsense not even worth mentioning... it's not an achievement.

you're right, it'd be better if they were both the worst AHL players in history

what a weird thing to get triggered over.

 

[Devils731]

Success? Come on man.

This is like the "top 5 all time in PPG for an under 20 year old from Holtz"...

It's just nonsense not even worth mentioning... it's not an achievement.

People said Nemec was struggling but he’s literally an all-star, so it’s definitely worth mentioning so the people thinking he was playing poorly see.

It was also worth you complaining over.

Move on sourpuss and don’t waste your time on things not worth it.

 

[JimEIV]

People said Nemec was struggling but he’s literally an all-star, so it’s definitely worth mentioning so the people thinking he was playing poorly see.

It was also worth you complaining over.

Move on sourpuss and don’t waste your time on things not worth it.

You really think a former #2 overall draft pick in the AHL being named as a replacement to AHL ALL-Star game is an indication that he's "not" struggling?

It's meaningless.

 

[Devils731]

You really think a former #2 overall draft pick in the AHL being named as a replacement to AHL ALL-Star game is an indication that he's "not" struggling?

Yes.

 

[Devs3cups]

Nemec has 15 points in his last 16 games. Truly seems like the injury was hampering him.

Excited to have him aboard and have him on the squad next season.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

need Jim to call Nemec a disgrace so he can turn into one of the top players in the league in 1-2 years.

 

[None Shall Pass]

Since Christmas, our best pairing in both actual stats and expected stats is Dougie and Dillon

 

[Forge]

Since Christmas, our best pairing in both actual stats and expected stats is Dougie and Dillon

That tracks.

The team is 3-4-3 during that stretch.

Probably don't want to be a in place where those two are your best guys

 

[Forge]

He's a replacement for Casey? We celebrating that?

Uh oh, someone wants to be happy!

Captain Jim to the rescue! He'll make sure to snuff out any good feelings someone could possibly have!

 

[JimEIV]

Since Christmas, our best pairing in both actual stats and expected stats is Dougie and Dillon

Those stats are more about deployment.

Uh oh, someone wants to be happy!

Captain Jim to the rescue! He'll make sure to snuff out any good feelings someone could possibly have!

Yay! Our #2 overall is a replacement All-star in the AHL at 21 years old! Pop the f***ing Champaign.

How many top 5 picks are in the AHL at 21 years old?

Another celebration of a baby pooping.

 

[Forge]

Those stats are more about deployment.


Yay! Our #2 overall is a replacement All-star in the AHL at 21 years old! Pop the f***ing Champaign.

How many top 5 picks are in the AHL at 21 years old?

Another celebration of a baby pooping.

He must be a disgrace.