Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part II

[Ripshot 43]

I'd love to get Zetterlund, I think he's a perfect fit for this team. I think a good veteran forward could help guys like Celebrini & Smith, so I'd be willing to part with someone like Timo Meier.

Now a deal like that may take some finessing - if we're talking add-ons, I'd also love a good, young defenseman prospect coming back say Shakir Mukhamadullin? In return though, we can throw Santeri Hattaka, he's been injured this season but I think he has some good promise you may like.

There may be some draft picks that need to be mixed in there too though, say a conditional 1st & 2nd from the Sharks and a 7th round pick from the Sharks as well, in return we can throw in a 5th round pick from our end. Oh, and if Andreas Johnsson is still on the Sharks throw him in too.

 

[dgibb10]

Hi friends! There was an article about your GM at the Sharks game yesterday and we were debating who he might be scouting. Granlund? Sturm/Kunin? Zetterlund?

What do you think? Also, is there any world where Nemec is expendable and if so, what can you see it taking to get him? the Sharks desperately need young D prospects.

Very likely looking at Sturm/Kunin.

 

[Jargon]

I'd love to get Zetterlund, I think he's a perfect fit for this team. I think a good veteran forward could help guys like Celebrini & Smith, so I'd be willing to part with someone like Timo Meier.

Now a deal like that may take some finessing - if we're talking add-ons, I'd also love a good, young defenseman prospect coming back say Shakir Mukhamadullin? In return though, we can throw Santeri Hattaka, he's been injured this season but I think he has some good promise you may like.

There may be some draft picks that need to be mixed in there too though, say a conditional 1st & 2nd from the Sharks and a 7th round pick from the Sharks as well, in return we can throw in a 5th round pick from our end. Oh, and if Andreas Johnsson is still on the Sharks throw him in too.

Hm, interesting. Let me see what Johnsson is up to, that might be the hardest part.

 

[dgibb10]

It that were to happen I don't think we're getting a pick back unless we retain half.

Hamilton at 4.5 mill AAV and 2.4 mill real money would look something like Knight+1st+1st, at MINIMUM

I wonder if the preds board has these conversations about shipping Roman Josi out like he's nothing

 

[Bleedred]

Speaking of Hamilton. What about a trade of Hamilton for Spencer Knight and like a 2nd round pick in the offseason.

He's a reclamation project at this point IMO. It's been 3 years since he played well at the NHL level. Granted, he didn't play a second in the NHL last year. He had okay numbers in the AHL. But he's been highly disappointing the last two seasons he's played in the NHL.

If we're unloading Dougie then I definitely wouldn't wanna replace half his salary (and we'd have to retain anyway, so it would be more than that) with Knight at $4.5 million or whatever he's being paid.

I would take Knight on a cheaper contract, but he's shown no ability to be worth what they gave him since the contract kicked in.

I'd take him if he were bought out. I'm surprised the Panthers didn't buy him out this offseason. They're spending like $15 million on goalies this year.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I get what you’re saying, but the stars and the universe are absolutely aligning for them this year. It has been a total team effort. On paper, they are not particularly great though, and that’s why everyone keeps expecting a decline.

Yeah, I think that's the issue. On paper, they're very unimpressive but the East is pretty dogshit this year. The 8 playoff teams were truly decided at Thanksgiving once the Rags bottomed out. Caps were mediocre/bad last year and lucky to make it last year. Their young guys got a slight taste of the playoffs and got better this year, their defense had the best re-tool in modern NHL history. The goalies are eh but they're in the same spot as we were with Vitek where you ride the goalies you got until they become a legit problem. Will the Capitals win the Cup or even win the East? Probably not. Can they keep up this pace and probably win the Metro? I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Billdo]

At this point I'd be ok with giving Tatar a game with Hischier and Meier.

 

[Bleedred]

At this point I'd be ok with giving Tatar a game with Hischier and Meier.

His pointless drought is only half as long as Haula’s. And he averages only like 10-10.5 minutes per game this year. And has had to play with 4th liners.

I’m not sure you can count on him for much, but it’s not like he’s been bad either.

 

[Lou Bloom]

Hamilton at 4.5 mill AAV and 2.4 mill real money would look something like Knight+1st+1st, at MINIMUM

I wonder if the preds board has these conversations about shipping Roman Josi out like he's nothing

Josi is the much better player and the Preds don't have a log jam on defense.

Trading Hamilton would allow them to re-sign Kovacevic and open up a spot for one of Nemec/Casey. It also would allow them more versatility cap wise to make additions even after a Luke extension. If a team is willing to take Hamilton's contract off the Devils for free, I don't see how the Devils wouldn't make that trade.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Curious which play this was on. I vaguely recall one he got called for and I just assumed he was clumsy.

It was against Carolina I think, the Devils had an odd man rush and he was taken down behind the play and he sold it.

It was the Rags game where he got hooked a bit and went down. If they thought he dove, it is what it is. Funny Canes fans are using it on the main board as some ammo against Necas as if Dougie wasn't on Carolina at one point and us Devils fans would have a hard time admitting he dives sometimes lol

Hamilton at 4.5 mill AAV and 2.4 mill real money would look something like Knight+1st+1st, at MINIMUM

I wonder if the preds board has these conversations about shipping Roman Josi out like he's nothing

Putting Hamliton and Josi in the same sentence frankly shows you aren't serious about this conversation at all

 

[dgibb10]

Josi is the much better player and the Preds don't have a log jam on defense.

Trading Hamilton would allow them to re-sign Kovacevic and open up a spot for one of Nemec/Casey. It also would allow them more versatility cap wise to make additions even after a Luke extension. If a team is willing to take Hamilton's contract off the Devils for free, I don't see how the Devils wouldn't make that trade.

Please explain to me how Josi is the "much better player".

They are both defensively limited, elite offensive drivers making 9 million dollars. Josi is about 3 years older tho.

Josi CERTAINLY hasn't been better this year.

 

[dgibb10]

It was the Rags game where he got hooked a bit and went down. If they thought he dove, it is what it is. Funny Canes fans are using it on the main board as some ammo against Necas as if Dougie wasn't on Carolina at one point and us Devils fans would have a hard time admitting he dives sometimes lol



Putting Hamliton and Josi in the same sentence frankly shows you aren't serious about this conversation at all

If Dougie Hamilton was having the season Roman Josi currently is he would be getting burned at the stake in here more than he already is

Josi is 34. Dougie is 31. Both make 9 million dollars for the same term.

Dougie is playing better this year. Josi better last year. Dougie better in 22-23. Josi better in 21-22. Dougie better in 20-21.

Dougie has been better in 3 of the last 5 years including this current year, is currently better, and is THREE years younger.

To claim they aren't similar is pathetic.

Frankly, I'd take Dougie due to his age.

 

[dgibb10]

Josi is the much better player and the Preds don't have a log jam on defense.

Trading Hamilton would allow them to re-sign Kovacevic and open up a spot for one of Nemec/Casey. It also would allow them more versatility cap wise to make additions even after a Luke extension. If a team is willing to take Hamilton's contract off the Devils for free, I don't see how the Devils wouldn't make that trade.

Nashville quite literally had to waive Dante Fabbro because of a log jam on defense

"if a team is willing to take hamilton for free". Ridiculous. Giving away a top tier dman in an utterly atrocious RD UFA market. Dougie would get 9x3 in a HEARTBEAT this offseason. That's like the Orlov contract



Lol. Again. Let's rewind a month or two "I wonder if Roman Josi will be given away for free. It would solve a lot of Nashvilles cap problems and clear up a spot in the lineup for Fabbro".

 

[Triumph]

If Hamilton were playing 25 minutes a game, nobody would be having a conversation about trading him.

 

[Lou Bloom]

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Please explain to me how Josi is the "much better player".

They are both defensively limited, elite offensive drivers making 9 million dollars. Josi is about 3 years older tho.

Josi CERTAINLY hasn't been better this year.

Josi plays 25 minutes a night and was tasked with carrying Nashville's offense. It's a lot easier to look good analytically when you're not as relied upon to carry a tougher work load.

And yes he's worse this year, because he's 34, which is part of the reason it's smart to get off of Hamilton's contract now if possible because players decline after 30.

 

[dgibb10]

Josi plays 25 minutes a night and was tasked with carrying Nashville's offense. It's a lot easier to look good analytically when you're not as relied upon to carry a tougher work load.

And yes he's worse this year, because he's 34, which is part of the reason it's smart to get off of Hamilton's contract now if possible because players decline after 30.

Dougie spent the first 20 games of the season being tasked with carrying our offense while none of the other pairings produced much at all and didn't get a lick of credit for it.

 

[Billdo]

Hamilton at 4.5 mill AAV and 2.4 mill real money would look something like Knight+1st+1st, at MINIMUM

I wonder if the preds board has these conversations about shipping Roman Josi out like he's nothing

Except Josi is a shit ton better of a defenseman...

 

[dgibb10]

Except Josi is a shit ton better of a defenseman...

Except for this year, 22-23, or 20-21.

3/5 years hamilton has been better. And he's 3 years younger.

Both have a history of being elite dmen.

Hamilton is playing less than he has in years past

Josi is playing worse than he has in years past.

I'd be more concerned with the worse than the less.

Josi plays 25 minutes a night and was tasked with carrying Nashville's offense. It's a lot easier to look good analytically when you're not as relied upon to carry a tougher work load.

And yes he's worse this year, because he's 34, which is part of the reason it's smart to get off of Hamilton's contract now if possible because players decline after 30.

Should Nashville give away 34 year old 9 mill josi for free then? Smart to get off his contract before he declines even further right?

 

[Lou Bloom]

Nashville quite literally had to waive Dante Fabbro because of a log jam on defense

"if a team is willing to take hamilton for free". Ridiculous. Giving away a top tier dman in an utterly atrocious RD UFA market. Dougie would get 9x3 in a HEARTBEAT this offseason. That's like the Orlov contract



Lol. Again. Let's rewind a month or two "I wonder if Roman Josi will be given away for free. It would solve a lot of Nashvilles cap problems and clear up a spot in the lineup for Fabbro".

They traded Fabbro for Justin Barron another Dman. They have one other Dman signed past next season apart from Josi in Skjei. After Josi and Skjei they have a 35 year old Luke Schenn signed for one more season, Jeremy Lauzon and a bunch of barely NHL caliber defenseman on their roster. In what world is that a logjam? To compare that to the Devils that have Nemec and Casey in the AHL due to the logjam is laughable.

Hamilton will be 32 in the offseason. 3 years at $9M per might be the rate he'd get in UFA, but UFA contracts are usually signed with the knowledge that you're probably overpaying a bit to secure said player. With a Luke extension coming up, Kovacevic extension hopefully soon to follow and two high end prospects waiting in the wings in Nemec and Casey what logic would there be to keep Hamilton at his cap hit?

The Preds are bad anyway and their only other defenseman on their roster who's a top 4 is Brady Skjei, If the Devils didn't have Hughes, Pesce, Siegs, Kovacevic, Casey and Nemec in the org than it wouldn't make sense to trade Hamilton, but when you have that much talent on the blue line it doesn't make sense to keep paying Hamilton if necessary.

What is your plan if they don't trade Hamilton? Let Kovacevic walk who has provided elite defense on the backend? Keep Nemec and Casey in the AHL for the next three seasons?

 

[theking72]

Anyone been able to successfully share a Gotham subscription?

 

[Lou Bloom]

Dougie spent the first 20 games of the season being tasked with carrying our offense while none of the other pairings produced much at all and didn't get a lick of credit for it.

Carry the offense? The forwards on New Jersey carry the offense, Dougie is a great threat with his shot and provides plenty of value offensively but to compare him to Josi who lead Nashville in scoring 4 straight seasons and won a Norris is insane.

 

[Lou Bloom]

Except for this year, 22-23, or 20-21.

3/5 years hamilton has been better. And he's 3 years younger.

Both have a history of being elite dmen.

Hamilton is playing less than he has in years past

Josi is playing worse than he has in years past.

I'd be more concerned with the worse than the less.


Should Nashville give away 34 year old 9 mill josi for free then? Smart to get off his contract before he declines even further right?

Does Nashville have Luke Hughes, Brett Pesce, Jonathan Kovacevic, Jonas Siegenthaler, Simon Nemec, Seamus Casey and Brendan Dillon all as NHL ready defenseman with another highly touted prospect in Anton Silayev only a couple years away? The Devils defensive depth is what makes Hamilton easily expendable. If Nashville had an already elite defensive unit with multiple top prospects knocking on the door and were up against the cap then trading Josi would of course make sense, but that's not the scenario they're currently in.

 

[dgibb10]

Carry the offense? The forwards on New Jersey carry the offense, Dougie is a great threat with his shot and provides plenty of value offensively but to compare him to Josi who lead Nashville in scoring 4 straight seasons and won a Norris is insane.

If the forwards carry the offense how come the offense produced so little with dougie hamilton on the bench (until Luke Hughes exploded)?

Dougie pairing generating 35 shots/60. The other pairings not even CLOSE at 25 shots/60

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Dougie spent the first 20 games of the season being tasked with carrying our offense while none of the other pairings produced much at all and didn't get a lick of credit for it.

He makes 9M a year, WHO GIVES A f***? Why do you treat Dougie as some sort of make a wish kid? He should be doing that in general, it shouldn't be be some sort of accomplishment or praise that he's doing it

 

[dgibb10]

Does Nashville have Luke Hughes, Brett Pesce, Jonathan Kovacevic, Jonas Siegenthaler, Simon Nemec, Seamus Casey and Brendan Dillon all as NHL ready defenseman with another highly touted prospect in Anton Silayev only a couple years away? The Devils defensive depth is what makes Hamilton easily expendable. If Nashville had an already elite defensive unit with multiple top prospects knocking on the door and were up against the cap then trading Josi would of course make sense, but that's not the scenario they're currently in.

But if they did have that situation Josi should be traded for free or paid to dump correct? Same with Pietrangelo in Vegas correct?