Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part II

[SteveCangialosi123]

1. Points in the AHL are like give away Halloween candy for an elite player...a slug with no offensive instinct at all like Larsson puts up points in the AHL on a bad team.

2. Nemec never played "well" in the NHL. He wasn't bad for a 19/20 year old at certain points but it was never good...it was the classic good for rookie good...he was there solely because of injury.

His reads and decisions were super slow..
Sometimes his reads were just plainly bad and his positioning was regularly way off...he wasn't strong enough but that's to be expected for a young player but it did significantly limit his effectiveness around the net and in the corners. That's what happened last year.

He should be eating up the AHL and that 100% absolutely should be reflected on the score sheet. 4 points in 14 AHL games for Dman like Kovacevic or Siegenthaler...ok, maybe...a former #2 overall? f***ing horrific.

He played very well in the NHL. Extremely well for a teenager.

Don’t think you realize how bad Utica is. He wasn’t on PP1 because our other young offensive D had that role. They don’t have centers and don’t score goals, not sure what you think some defenseman is supposed to do about that.

 

[JimEIV]

He played very well in the NHL. Extremely well for a teenager.

Bullshit.

 

[Triumph]

Nemec will be an NHL defenseman but there's questions of upside. I think he's an incredibly smart player. That is the tool of his that is most impressive - everything else seems pretty average, and he was extremely bad on the power play. So, if he keeps those smarts and works on everything else, he can be a top-pairing defenseman. But if he somehow loses those smarts, or doesn't work on everything else, he'll just be a player whose mistakes are frustrating and the rest of his game won't get him to that top level.

Ideally the Devils wouldn't move him, because they almost certainly lose a trade involving him. But if they can knock out several needs at once, that's fine - sometimes it's okay to trade a dollar for 80 cents if you really need that change. Obviously a Nemec trade is predicated on re-signing Kovacevic.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Another Nemec trade hypothetical that might be more appealing. The one for one swap value wise is not going to be findable. So I’m looking at a bit lesser prospects and then exploring adding in pieces to fix our current holes. San Jose is a great fit for this and a great fit for Nemec.

To San Jose:
-Nemec

To NJ:
-Musty (3 year ELC starting next year)
-Granlund retained (C, final year 5M) or
Wennberg (C, 2 years 5M)
-Sturm retained (C, final year 2M) or Kunin



In Musty you get a good young forward prospect who should be able to provide 3 years of ELC value starting next season and potentially be a good top 6 forward.

In Granlund you are are getting a veteran top 6 forward who can play center and who’s at nearly a point per game. At great value for the rest of this season.

In Sturm you’re getting a solid bottom 6 center with some size.


Makes our team immediately better. And trades from a position of strength for a solid prospect who has a lower ceiling but 3 years of ELC upcoming

Bullshit.

He did.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Bullshit.

Positive goal differential on that horrible team, 52.2% expected goal differential. Very strong play.

 

[TrufleShufle]

Let Nemac be his lighting rod, the hate needs to flow and can't find a path through anyone on the team that everyone else likes. You want him to just hold all the hate in and get hemorrhoids?

 

[Forge]

I can't imagine why anyone would follow the team when they just want to find new ways to be unhappy with it.

Sounds like a good way to be quite miserable

 

[Captain3rdLine]

I can't imagine why anyone would follow the team when they just want to find new ways to be unhappy with it.

Sounds like a good way to be quite miserable

It is crazy how someone can almost always have only negative things to say. So many things going well to talk about but can only ever find things to complain about or shit on.

 

[JimEIV]

Positive goal differential on that horrible team, 52.2% expected goal differential. Very strong play.

He wasn't good at all. His game was full is full of holes and his reads were bad the entire time.

Come on, Kovacevic is a journeyman 28 year old that has never found a real home in the NHL that's what beat our #2 overall pick out of a spot...how many top 5 picks are in the AHL at 21 years old?

He wasn't as good as you think...if he was, he'd be in the lineup being allowed to work through some of kinks...but he's been bad

He's probably not even the next D inline for a call up. Maybe not even the the second.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

He wasn't good at all. His game was full is full of holes and his reads were bad the entire time.

Come on, Kovacevic is a journeyman 28 year old that has never found a real home in the NHL that's what beat our #2 overall pick out of a spot...how many top 5 picks are in the AHL at 21 years old?

He wasn't as good as you think...if he was, he'd be in the lineup being allowed to work through some of kinks...but he's been bad

This post isn’t disingenuous at all

 

[Alex NJD]

Lu'cuuze

It's a shame he doesn't have cards for just 24-25 out right now. Inclusion of last year, is definitely dragging down some stats, defense especially

 

[dgibb10]

Positive goal differential on that horrible team, 52.2% expected goal differential. Very strong play.

He also, like the rest of the team, basically gave up the last 4 games after we shut down Jack for the year.

Before that, he was at a 54% xGoals share through 56 games

 

[britdevil]

He wasn't good at all. His game was full is full of holes and his reads were bad the entire time.

Come on, Kovacevic is a journeyman 28 year old that has never found a real home in the NHL that's what beat our #2 overall pick out of a spot...how many top 5 picks are in the AHL at 21 years old?

He wasn't as good as you think...if he was, he'd be in the lineup being allowed to work through some of kinks...but he's been bad

He's probably not even the next D inline for a call up. Maybe not even the the second.

I'm interested to know who you would have picked.

I guess you could say Cooley, but I think it's fair to say that he would not be getting the same opportunity here given we have Jack and Nico?

 

[Omar Little]

Easton Cowan
Jiri Kulich
Jimmy Snuggerud
Joshua Roy
Matthew Coronato

Would be guys to look at for Nemec

 

[Satans Hockey]

It’s getting awfully hard to not put in the paper that you got mad.

Reading what Dan wrote about the fan base and then seeing a picture of Dan makes it even more funny.

Self awareness has never been a strong suit for that fan base. Plus the guys also a wrestling fan and the worst part about wrestling is wrestling fans. A Rangers fan / wrestling fan is the combo of someone I would like to never have to talk to lol

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Easton Cowan
Jiri Kulich
Jimmy Snuggerud
Joshua Roy
Matthew Coronato

Would be guys to look at for Nemec

None of those guys are that good in my opinion. Some of them worse than others. I’d much rather be looking at Musty

 

[Forge]

I'm interested to know who you would have picked.

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I guess you could say Cooley, but I think it's fair to say that he would not be getting the same opportunity here given we have Jack and Nico?

Pick the biggest disappointment he could complain about.

 

[Omar Little]

None of those guys are that good in my opinion. Some of them worse than others. I’d much rather be looking at Musty

That's another good candidate

 

[Forge]

Reading what Dan wrote about the fan base and then seeing a picture of Dan makes it even more funny.

The responses he has with "Taurine Footie" are pretty entertaining.

 

[JimEIV]

I'm interested to know who you would have picked.

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I guess you could say Cooley, but I think it's fair to say that he would not be getting the same opportunity here given we have Jack and Nico?

I would've picked Ty Smith.

In all seriousness I'm not complaining about the pick at all. I'm just saying that this is not the elite player we thought we getting and that it's time to readjust the expectations with Nemec.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

He wasn't good at all. His game was full is full of holes and his reads were bad the entire time.

Come on, Kovacevic is a journeyman 28 year old that has never found a real home in the NHL that's what beat our #2 overall pick out of a spot...how many top 5 picks are in the AHL at 21 years old?

He wasn't as good as you think...if he was, he'd be in the lineup being allowed to work through some of kinks...but he's been bad

He's probably not even the next D inline for a call up. Maybe not even the the second.

Yes, one of the top defensive players in the NHL this season beat out our #2 overall pick. Shameful!

Most top 5 picks don’t find themselves on teams that have ridiculous depth on D like we have. Fairly easy to see that we’re in a unique circumstance.

His play last season didn’t buy himself a free roster spot. That he’s in the AHL now says nothing about last season.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I still think most of us are underplaying how bad Nemec hurt his shoulder in September before camp playing for Slovakia. I'd argue him being in the AHL and fully getting healthy + dummying the competition at points this year is a good thing. Last thing we needed is a hampered young dman possibly costing us games in a pretty big year for the club. He'll be fine long term, the question is, like I said before, is if his future is in NJ or not. He's going to be a good NHLer imo regardless. Arguing about a defense stacked to the gills is at least better than we were arguing about Mirco Mueller, Igor Yakolev and Yohann Avitu's of yesteryear lmao

 

[JimEIV]

Yes, one of the top defensive players in the NHL this season beat out our #2 overall pick. Shameful!

Most top 5 picks don’t find themselves on teams that have ridiculous depth on D like we have. Fairly easy to see that we’re in a unique circumstance.

His play last season didn’t buy himself a free roster spot. That he’s in the AHL now says nothing about last season.

Meh...we did this same dance for Ty Smith, Holtz and now Nemec....we even played the same music for Butcher at one point....but not as many people got up to dance for that number

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Meh...we did this same dance for Ty Smith, Holtz and now Nemec....we even played the same music for Butcher at one point....but not as many people got up to dance for that number

The ironic part about Smith is the year he was garbage in preseason, he made the roster. And the year he looked good in preseason, he didn't make the roster. Nemec and Smith aren't comparable whatsoever, lol. Butcher's skating was abysmal and he was a PP merchant with the league MVP feeding him and that entire PP1 passes, that was never going to last. Maybe Nemec does suck eventually but PTSD and just saying he'll suck isn't the truth at this particular juncture of his career.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Meh...we did this same dance for Ty Smith, Holtz and now Nemec....we even played the same music for Butcher at one point....but not as many people got up to dance for that number

What a dumb comparison