Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason edition

[Devils Trap]

All depends on price, if we can get Bennet on a reasonable deal, of course I would take him.

He kinda fits perfectly into what we have as its somewhat similar to FLA where he gets the easier matchups cause Lundell / Barkov (Hughes and Hischier) can take the tougher ones

 

[dgibb10]

Bennett is not a line driving C.

He's not gonna be a guy you stick on your 3rd line and he carries them.

All of his success has come when paired WITH a superstar winger in the form of either Huberdeau or Tkachuk

 

[JrFischer54]

Quinn Hughes doesn't represent a need, at all. Yes, he's an incredible player, yes he will make the team better, but his coming here would create a lot of dumb issues - is the top power play the Hughes brothers and two other players? Is Luke okay with playing PP2 for the rest of his career? How does this affect any sort of power dynamics on the team moving forward, knowing that the Devils basically have 1/3rd of their cap tied up in 3 players who have aligned incentives more than any other group of 3 players?

I don't think people talking about trading guys like Nemec and Silayev realize that once those guys are gone, that is it. The Devils would be basically done having high-value assets outside of the NHL and this is the team they are rolling with; they're basically in Tampa Bay mode from that point forward. I don't think that's at all a good idea, especially not when Hughes might come here for free in 2 seasons.

i dont care when quinn comes here there are pros and cons to both trading now or waiting two years. personally i dont think the package going to the canucks will be nearly as big as people think. the goal is to add talent wherever and whenever you can find it. the opitcs of having 3 brothers on the pp like you said? who cares if they are producing you keep them together if they aren't then you move them around just as you would anyone else.


as for the bolded that is a good thing. i dont want anymore high valued prospects from the first round i dont want to draft in the top 10 for the next 10 years. go find a top prospect in the 2nd 3rd 4th round like the bolts who you mentioned have done.

 

[dgibb10]

i dont care when quinn comes here there are pros and cons to both trading now or waiting two years. personally i dont think the package going to the canucks will be nearly as big as people think. the goal is to add talent wherever and whenever you can find it. the opitcs of having 3 brothers on the pp like you said? who cares if they are producing you keep them together if they aren't then you move them around just as you would anyone else.


as for the bolded that is a good thing. i dont want anymore high valued prospects from the first round i dont want to draft in the top 10 for the next 10 years. go find a top prospect in the 2nd 3rd 4th round like the bolts who you mentioned have done.

"Just find all the steals you don't need picks"

 

[JrFischer54]

"Just find all the steals you don't need picks"

i wish

they really need to gut their scouting departments and player development too.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Lol a bloated Sam Bennett contract would tell me this management hasn't learned anything

 

[dgibb10]

I would be going for a 3C, keeping it simple around that (primarily slotting in Grits), looking at teams who have shown a willingness to do multi year retention in the past or retention in general, or taking some RFA gambles

I think some of my favourites with some control/term are.

Copp/Compher from Det.
Sillinger from CBJ
Bourque from Dal
Frost from CGY
Schenn from STL
Cates, Coots from Philly
Turcotte from LAK

 

[The Wumpus]

Has any pending UFA checked all of the regrettable contract boxes like Bennett?
-center
-le tuffness
-cup(s)
-cap going up
-thin ufa class

Nice player, but he's going to get way too much.

 

[dgibb10]

I like the look of something like this

 

[Guadana]

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I like the look of something like this

I would like to try to take Turcotte but I think LA will try to use him as a depth cheap forward.

 

[dgibb10]

I would like to try to take Turcotte but I think LA will try to use him as a depth cheap forward.

Yeah. He should have been a holloway type offer sheet guy last year

I'd go after someone like him and then a Sissons or Kampf type as a safer 4C.

Glass and Turcotte (or Bourque or whoever) battling it out, with a safe vet ready to step up if needed

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Rossi would be the pickup for 3C imo, ironic part is that Holtz being swapped for virtually any other guy that went after him would've been a better long term pick. New era Pavel Zacha sadly

 

[Guadana]

Yeah. He should have been a holloway type offer sheet guy last year

I'd go after someone like him and then a Sissons or Kampf type as a safer 4C.

Glass and Turcotte (or Bourque or whoever) battling it out, with a safe vet ready to step up if needed

I like the idea. May be we can bite them with one of our vet defesneman outside Pesce. Will it hurt us? May be. But this is the way we can trade for Turcotte if they need to. With the pick from their side in package.

 

[dgibb10]

I like the idea. May be we can bite them with one of our vet defesneman outside Pesce.

I do wonder if a team would bite on a Dillon based on his physicality if the UFA market this year gets too pricey.

(People here don't like the idea of playing pesce on the left temporarily but I'd be fine with it).

And I think if you told Dillon that the plan was to have him at 7D (because you believe Nemec, Dougie, Luke, Pesce, Kovy and Siegs are better), he'd be willing to waive for a team that would give him regular minutes, especially if he wants another contract after this one.

If you move him out, along with grabbing an RFA young C, you can probably bring back allen if you want or have some more expensive scratches in case of injury.

In terms of Dallas and bourque, I wonder if a guy like Casey would be of interest.

 

[Guadana]

I do wonder if a team would bite on a Dillon based on his physicality if the UFA market this year gets too pricey.

(People here don't like the idea of playing pesce on the left temporarily but I'd be fine with it).

And I think if you told Dillon that the plan was to have him at 7D (because you believe Nemec, Dougie, Luke, Pesce, Kovy and Siegs are better), he'd be willing to waive for a team that would give him regular minutes, especially if he wants another contract after this one.

If you move him out, along with grabbing an RFA young C, you can probably bring back allen if you want or have some more expensive scratches in case of injury.

In terms of Dallas and bourque, I wonder if a guy like Casey would be of interest.

I would cross my fingers for Dillion-Turcotte trade.

I guess Dallas are fine with Haley and Heiskannen as their two top blue liners. I think Bourque as a cheap young player, will have better opportunities for the next season because of trade of Stankoven and may be Duchene will leave. Or they will trade Marchment.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I do wonder if a team would bite on a Dillon based on his physicality if the UFA market this year gets too pricey.

(People here don't like the idea of playing pesce on the left temporarily but I'd be fine with it).

And I think if you told Dillon that the plan was to have him at 7D (because you believe Nemec, Dougie, Luke, Pesce, Kovy and Siegs are better), he'd be willing to waive for a team that would give him regular minutes, especially if he wants another contract after this one.

If you move him out, along with grabbing an RFA young C, you can probably bring back allen if you want or have some more expensive scratches in case of injury.

In terms of Dallas and bourque, I wonder if a guy like Casey would be of interest.

That team 100% will go after a RHD which is why I think they'd go after Dougie in the summer

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I would cross my fingers for Dillion-Turcotte trade.

I guess Dallas are fine with Haley and Heiskannen as their two top blue liners. I think Bourque as a cheap young player, will have better opportunities for the next season because of trade of Stankoven and may be Duchene will leave. Or they will trade Marchment.

Duchene won't leave tbh, he's stated he wants to stay down there in the South. Maybe Carolina if they offer him a bag? But he doesn't really have options elsewhere lol

As for Marchment, he's been ass in the playoffs but I wonder if there's a package for Dougie for Marchement+ to work out. I don't know the cap and such but spitballing here

 

[dgibb10]

That team 100% will go after a RHD which is why I think they'd go after Dougie in the summer

I had them as the number 1 dougie landing spot before the Rantanen trade.

Not sure if they have the space now. Maybe we take Seguin (who expires right as quinn hits UFA)+Bourque+ something?

 

[dgibb10]

That team 100% will go after a RHD which is why I think they'd go after Dougie in the summer

Yeah I don't think Dillon goes to dallas. I'd have to look deeper around the league to see who needs a 2LHD/3LHD with PK (may not even be a contender)

Its a lot tougher to evaluate than Dougie where you just need to check who needs a PP1 QB and elite OFD, because now I have to try and take more into consideration the development and trajectory of more B level prospects who they may want to try, or have waivers exemptions expiring on, etc

And fanbases always tend to be pretty bad at evaluating their prospects of this tier and their 4-6 dmen, so you don't get much help there

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I had them as the number 1 dougie landing spot before the Rantanen trade.

Not sure if they have the space now. Maybe we take Seguin (who expires right as quinn hits UFA)+Bourque+ something?

They got a few UFA's it looks like, Benn/Granlund (would love him here but he's playing himself into a big deal), Duchene, Dadanov, Ceci on the backend. I assume Benn takes a monster pay cut if they win or lose the Cup this year, Ceci probably won't return. That Benn paycut + Ceci's deal could be enough for 60-70% retention Dougie but I assume Fitz wants that whole deal off his books if they move him

 

[Guadana]

Duchene won't leave tbh, he's stated he wants to stay down there in the South. Maybe Carolina if they offer him a bag? But he doesn't really have options elsewhere lol

As for Marchment, he's been ass in the playoffs but I wonder if there's a package for Dougie for Marchement+ to work out. I don't know the cap and such but spitballing here

Marchement + Turcotte? In one offseason for Dougie and Dillion.

 

[dgibb10]

They got a few UFA's it looks like, Benn/Granlund (would love him here but he's playing himself into a big deal), Duchene, Dadanov, Ceci on the backend. I assume Benn takes a monster pay cut if they win or lose the Cup this year, Ceci probably won't return. That Benn paycut + Ceci's deal could be enough for 60-70% retention Dougie but I assume Fitz wants that whole deal off his books if they move him

The discounts Benn+Duchene would take are the biggest question marks. I mean clearly the front office of dallas has an idea of how to make it all work or they wouldn't have locked themselves into 20+ mill on Wyatt and Rantanen already, but tough to know from the outside looking in

I think Granlund Ceci were pure rentals.

Also, I think putting Dougie with ANY of Heiskanen, Lindell, or Harley is gonna see him dominate.

Adding Rantanen helped their PP as well, it was pretty brutal before they brought him in.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Marchement + Turcotte? In one offseason for Dougie and Dillion.
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Dillon decision is so f***ing tough for me man. On the one hand, he is putrid BUTT 5v5. On the other hand, our PK got sent to mars without him in the Carolina series and their powerplay was dog shit the whole regular season. If you can find a good penalty dman somehow who can minute munch there then yeah lol

 

[dgibb10]

Dillon decision is so f***ing tough for me man. On the one hand, he is putrid BUTT 5v5. On the other hand, our PK got sent to mars without him in the Carolina series and their powerplay was dog shit the whole regular season. If you can find a good penalty dman somehow who can minute munch there then yeah lol

By god is that Brendan Smith's music I hear as a 4RW and PK king

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

By god is that Brendan Smith's music I hear as a 4RW and PK king

Would be funny irony since Smith is on Dallas right now lol