Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason edition

[MasterofGrond]

Quinn Hughes doesn't represent a need, at all. Yes, he's an incredible player, yes he will make the team better, but his coming here would create a lot of dumb issues - is the top power play the Hughes brothers and two other players? Is Luke okay with playing PP2 for the rest of his career? How does this affect any sort of power dynamics on the team moving forward, knowing that the Devils basically have 1/3rd of their cap tied up in 3 players who have aligned incentives more than any other group of 3 players?

I don't think people talking about trading guys like Nemec and Silayev realize that once those guys are gone, that is it. The Devils would be basically done having high-value assets outside of the NHL and this is the team they are rolling with; they're basically in Tampa Bay mode from that point forward. I don't think that's at all a good idea, especially not when Hughes might come here for free in 2 seasons.

need does not come into the equation when you're talking about a guy who is, the second the trade goes through, the best player on your team (sorry jack). You fill in needs around those guys.

I'm not trying to trade nemec and silayev and casey and lenni and 2 firsts for him, because i don't think you have to. Elite talent never gets full value, because it's impossible to get full value for it. I think people really really underrate what elite talent does for an NHL team. Depth is good, depth is key, but Carolina is on their way to a 4th ECF sweep because they don't have enough of it, and the oilers, who have half a roster and are missing an elite defenseman, are somehow in the WCF again.

I am the patience guy, the don't overreact, don't be hasty guy, the stats guy. The fact I am in here beating the drum for this conveys exactly how important I think it is, I hope. And yeah you're right, we're probably not getting a lot more elite talent to back up the assets we have now. But I don't think we'll need it. Quinn is so so so good.

 

[CalamityX23]

Owen Tippet anyone?

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Owen Tippet anyone?

sure

now, why would the Flyers trade a guy they just signed longterm to a division rival?

 

[NjDevsRR]

Chandler Stephenson

 

[CalamityX23]

sure

now, why would the Flyers trade a guy they just signed longterm to a division rival?

Maybe they'll have a brain fart moment? Lol

 

[Rebel Devil]

more importantly i dont want the canucks running him into the ground having him play 30mins a night knowing they aren't going to have to worry about his next contract. just get the guy here already thats what i say

That's a valid point. They are going to try and get everything they possibly can out of him if they feel he's a short timer.

 

[Better Call Sal]

At what point can we institute a 30 day account suspension for mentioning C***ler S******son?

 

[Lou is God]

Quinn Hughes doesn't represent a need, at all. Yes, he's an incredible player, yes he will make the team better, but his coming here would create a lot of dumb issues - is the top power play the Hughes brothers and two other players? Is Luke okay with playing PP2 for the rest of his career? How does this affect any sort of power dynamics on the team moving forward, knowing that the Devils basically have 1/3rd of their cap tied up in 3 players who have aligned incentives more than any other group of 3 players?

I don't think people talking about trading guys like Nemec and Silayev realize that once those guys are gone, that is it. The Devils would be basically done having high-value assets outside of the NHL and this is the team they are rolling with; they're basically in Tampa Bay mode from that point forward. I don't think that's at all a good idea, especially not when Hughes might come here for free in 2 seasons.

Why can't we have two defensemen on the PP1? I remember the Rangers did that with Leetch and Zubov and gave me a heart attack every time we had to kill a PK against them. They were deadly.

 

[NJDevs26]

Why can't we have two defensemen on the PP1? I remember the Rangers did that with Leetch and Zubov and gave me a heart attack every time we had to kill a PK against them. They were deadly.

You can...but it probably isn't a good idea to have Quinn and Luke on the ice at the same time (especially loading up with Jack, unless it's a down a goal situation late) since they're both lefties, and you pretty much destroy the transition game the next two shifts they're not on the ice.

 

[Lou is God]

You can...but it probably isn't a good idea to have Quinn and Luke on the ice at the same time since they're both lefties, and you pretty much destroy the transition game the next two shifts they're not on the ice.

When you have other offense defensemen like Casey and Nemec, I don't think that's something not to worry about.

The two lefties is a legit concern though but with their talent it's something I think they could work out.

 

[Guadana]

In the 19-20 season no RHD played over 19 mpg for Tampa.

In 20-21 only one did, Savard, and that was for all of 14 games. After Savard was acquired Luke Schnenn played all of 10 mpg. I guess Casey could be the Schenn in that scenario.

In 21-22 only one rhd played more then 16:30 per game. That was Cernak who played all of 19:09 per game, 2:50 of which were PK.

So yeah you can overload on one side, and have them eat the minutes of the other side, but that would not be the scenario if Nemec and Pesce are on the right side. And this would pretty much mean Casey is barely an NHL player.

In this case I dont worry about Casey destiny. If he is a third pair lower minutes guy than I dont care, our benefit, he will ask a trade when he will a lever to push.

Overall its not a problem, its a benefit. If Devils manage minutes between four or even five guys.

 

[Guadana]

If you ran a left side of Luke and Quinn you need a defensive workhorse behind them. Silayev would seem to fit that role perfectly.

Behind them, with them, Silayev, Pesce and Kovacevic are good candidates.

 

[njdevils1982]

At what point can we institute a 30 day account suspension for mentioning C***ler S******son?

who the hell is cockler shitbagson? i've never heard of him

 

[woody footbreaker]

At what point can we institute a 30 day account suspension for mentioning C***ler S******son?

haha, so then the whole board gets suspended when the kraken tear it down, fitz trades for him with retention and everybody here goes nuts?!?

 

[theoptimist]

Having to use picks to jettison contracts you KNOW are going to be bad is an absolutely moronic piece of business.

I think we’d be surprised. When do you think Fitz knew the Palat signing was bad? Does he know it’s bad? Would he say it? How about Jamie Benn or Cam Atkinson? The list goes on. Believe it or not, you can sign a player then buy them out years later and still keep your job.

 

[woody footbreaker]

Having to use picks to jettison contracts you KNOW are going to be bad is an absolutely moronic piece of business.

i am really surprised how many people here KNOW exactly what the future holds for us. would you buy me a lottery ticket please

 

[My3Sons]

need does not come into the equation when you're talking about a guy who is, the second the trade goes through, the best player on your team (sorry jack). You fill in needs around those guys.

I'm not trying to trade nemec and silayev and casey and lenni and 2 firsts for him, because i don't think you have to. Elite talent never gets full value, because it's impossible to get full value for it. I think people really really underrate what elite talent does for an NHL team. Depth is good, depth is key, but Carolina is on their way to a 4th ECF sweep because they don't have enough of it, and the oilers, who have half a roster and are missing an elite defenseman, are somehow in the WCF again.

I am the patience guy, the don't overreact, don't be hasty guy, the stats guy. The fact I am in here beating the drum for this conveys exactly how important I think it is, I hope. And yeah you're right, we're probably not getting a lot more elite talent to back up the assets we have now. But I don't think we'll need it. Quinn is so so so good.

I think an analogy for your impact of elite talent is in order. Compare adding Quinn to adding me to this board. I immediately became the best poster. Sorry @Bleedred and @Guttersniped

 

[Triumph]

need does not come into the equation when you're talking about a guy who is, the second the trade goes through, the best player on your team (sorry jack). You fill in needs around those guys.

I'm not trying to trade nemec and silayev and casey and lenni and 2 firsts for him, because i don't think you have to. Elite talent never gets full value, because it's impossible to get full value for it. I think people really really underrate what elite talent does for an NHL team. Depth is good, depth is key, but Carolina is on their way to a 4th ECF sweep because they don't have enough of it, and the oilers, who have half a roster and are missing an elite defenseman, are somehow in the WCF again.

I am the patience guy, the don't overreact, don't be hasty guy, the stats guy. The fact I am in here beating the drum for this conveys exactly how important I think it is, I hope. And yeah you're right, we're probably not getting a lot more elite talent to back up the assets we have now. But I don't think we'll need it. Quinn is so so so good.

I agree that elite talent does a lot for a team, and obviously if the Devils could get an elite winger for the same price, I'd want them to try. It's just that the Devils don't have an obvious spot for him. If the Devils could get another elite center on the level of Hischier and Hughes, should they? He probably doesn't play on PP1. They end up not getting the most out of this player.

My issue is that the Devils should not be wasting assets to get a guy who might come here for free. Obviously if this were the only way to get Quinn Hughes, I'd be more in favor of it, but it isn't. Also maybe they can rent him in a year and a half, if they're so inclined.

Why can't we have two defensemen on the PP1? I remember the Rangers did that with Leetch and Zubov and gave me a heart attack every time we had to kill a PK against them. They were deadly.

The reason your example is from 30 years ago is because using 2 defensemen on the power play has mostly gone away, and the reason why it's gone away is that forwards are just much better shooters than defensemen. Now obviously an all Hughes power play might be fine, but Luke certainly hasn't shown himself to be a great shooter so far.

 

[njdevils1982]

I think an analogy for your impact of elite talent is in order. Compare adding Quinn to adding me to this board. I immediately became the best poster. Sorry @Bleedred and @Guttersniped

you keep that best poster title....i'll enjoy being a shit poster

I agree that elite talent does a lot for a team, and obviously if the Devils could get an elite winger for the same price, I'd want them to try. It's just that the Devils don't have an obvious spot for him. If the Devils could get another elite center on the level of Hischier and Hughes, should they? He probably doesn't play on PP1. They end up not getting the most out of this player.

My issue is that the Devils should not be wasting assets to get a guy who might come here for free. Obviously if this were the only way to get Quinn Hughes, I'd be more in favor of it, but it isn't. Also maybe they can rent him in a year and a half, if they're so inclined.



The reason your example is from 30 years ago is because using 2 defensemen on the power play has mostly gone away, and the reason why it's gone away is that forwards are just much better shooters than defensemen. Now obviously an all Hughes power play might be fine, but Luke certainly hasn't shown himself to be a great shooter so far.

another thing about the two dman PP gone away is teams have moved away from two players at the blueline setup which is why we see more more missed shots wraparound and the puck not being held in at the boards

 

[Lou is God]

The reason your example is from 30 years ago is because using 2 defensemen on the power play has mostly gone away, and the reason why it's gone away is that forwards are just much better shooters than defensemen. Now obviously an all Hughes power play might be fine, but Luke certainly hasn't shown himself to be a great shooter so far.

I know, I know, I'm an old dinosaur, but having an all-Hughes PP with Nico and Bratt would absolutely strike the fear in opposing teams power kill. With creativity like that you don't need a great shot if they're high danger scoring opportunities.

 

[Brodeur]

I hadn't been watching much of the Worlds, but a couple people on the main boards had name dropped Tyler Moy as somebody who had a nice showing. Looks like he was playing a bit with Nico and Timo. Although it looks like Moy is signed with his Swiss club through 2026, but dunno if he has an out clause or was looking to come back to North America.

Moy's from my neck of the woods in San Diego. He was a late round pick by Nashville at the 2015 Draft. I snapped a photo of the board and texted a friend who forwarded it to Moy's dad. I like to think that's how he found out.

 

[bossram]

Sam Bennett will sign the Chandler Stephenson deal. He’ll take less for a 6th year. Then, this board will do mental gymnastics when they realize UFA 3Cs are almost universally overpaid. The point is to pay now and not worry about what the cap will be in Year 4 of the deal. People mistake that players need contracts to play. They do not have to finish the entire deal with the team. The 2nd round pick in Year 5 or Year 6 to offload should not matter if you are a serious contender.

Interesting this is what people were saying about the Palat deal when it was signed and now everybody hates it.

 

[Billdo]

Interesting this is what people were saying about the Palat deal when it was signed and now everybody hates it.

Nobody liked it when he signed it.

 

[theoptimist]

Interesting this is what people were saying about the Palat deal when it was signed and now everybody hates it.

Would say that it's different. Palat was signed with MM still on the team.

 

[Time Skip]

need does not come into the equation when you're talking about a guy who is, the second the trade goes through, the best player on your team (sorry jack). You fill in needs around those guys.

I'm not trying to trade nemec and silayev and casey and lenni and 2 firsts for him, because i don't think you have to. Elite talent never gets full value, because it's impossible to get full value for it. I think people really really underrate what elite talent does for an NHL team. Depth is good, depth is key, but Carolina is on their way to a 4th ECF sweep because they don't have enough of it, and the oilers, who have half a roster and are missing an elite defenseman, are somehow in the WCF again.

I am the patience guy, the don't overreact, don't be hasty guy, the stats guy. The fact I am in here beating the drum for this conveys exactly how important I think it is, I hope. And yeah you're right, we're probably not getting a lot more elite talent to back up the assets we have now. But I don't think we'll need it. Quinn is so so so good.

“You fill in the needs around those guys”

That’s the overarching issue if you trade for him. You’d be asset-strapped and beyond cap-strapped.

Wait until the 2027 TDL or 2027 FA and you’ll have more money to work with and an idea of where guys are at. Luke will have signed, Nico will have signed, etc..

Keeping the abundance of assets itd take to acquire him this season, let alone next TDL, is something the Devils may not be able to look past. You cant have a prospect/asset pool of a contender before you’re even one

This team could have the playoff experience needed to truly shine by the time Quinn naturally gets here; thats another issue, moving that many assets to be a contender when we haven’t even seen the ECF yet