Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason edition

[Forge]

Nemec has more value than 3rd line center.

they probably shouldn't trade him for a 3c unless its a guy who is currently a 3c and you're expecting to one day move into a 2c type role. It would have to be a young player with upside who just happens to slot in a 3c role right now.

Again, you don't have to pay crazy prices for a 3c if you're willing to take some of those who are available. But some people don't want those guys.

Like I said, I'll happily through Haula + 2 for Pageau and try to work on other things.

 

[Emperoreddy]

If they know he is gone, they should trade him this offseason and tank, but I seriously doubt the Canucks move him.

Its going to be next offseason or trade deadline if it happens at all

 

[My3Sons]

I think if we want Quinn this offseason, it has to start with Mercer, Nemec, 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick at the absolute very least. I'm still not sure that gets it done.

I’ll go as high as Haula Palat and Hamilton and the UFA rights to Tatar. Wait that’s not enough? Ok fine I’ll add MacDermid. Now at they can refuse that offer.

 

[forceten]

I just can't see overpaying for Quinn as much as I want him. It's too bad it can't have Hamilton go the other way (plus other pieces) because that would just make too much sense for us.

Someone mentioned Batherson - I can't see Ottawa moving him but I like him a lot.

What would it take to get the rights to Isaac Howard from Tampa?

 

[Forge]

Im not sure it takes Nemec to get it done. Mercer has value and control, plus it doesn't have to be this season. If you meant just this summer then perhaps you’re right, it’s probably take Nemec

But thats if you didn’t like the 3C options at the teams who want Mercer; those calls will and have come

I'm not sure Mercer has a ton of value. Strikes me as the type of dude who gets moved for a couple of seconds or something. Appears to be a capped goal scoring wing who kills penalties but doesn't do a lot of tough work on the boards. I feel like off seasons are littered with these types getting moved fairly easily.

But again, it really depends on what you're targeting as that 3c.

You can get legit 3c help for cheap. It's just not going to be sexy. They're going to be slightly older and probably have a cap hit that is more than you want to spend, but you can definitely get the guys that I previously mentioned.

If you want an up and comer type that slides into a 3c role now but can blossom into a 2c in the future, I think that's pricier. That's a legit trade chip that's going to hurt to acquire. Teams don't typically want ot give that up until they have to.

Even if you wanted a guy like Sillinger....who I'm not sure will grow into a 2c spot in the coming years....he's going to be more expensive than what people want to pay for what he is. That Dach trade comes to mind immediately and #13 + a third is pain. Maybe that's the guy you target with Mercer + type deal? I don't think that Mercer gets it done on his own, but others may disagree. I'm not sure what Columbus' center situation is that they can make that type of move.

 

[longislanddevil]

Quinn Hughes is the top 3 D in the league, even as a rental - he's not going for a 1st + Tobias Villen - ridiculous.

I said for ONE year of Quinn, not two. You’re omitting serious context here. I also stated if Vancouver sits on Quinn for another year, they will have zero leverage. At that point, who is Fitzgerald even competing with for one year of Quinn’s services? The league knows he’ll be a Devil in the 27-28 season. As I said earlier, I think a lot of people will be surprised at just how underwhelming the return for Quinn will be IF Vancouver doesn’t move him before the trade deadline this coming season.

You left out Mercer and also said I’d be willing to add a little more. I’m fine trading Casey because he becomes redundant with Quinn from a PP and offensive standpoint.

Please feel free to bookmark my post. I’m happy to revisit it later.

 

[Guadana]

they probably shouldn't trade him for a 3c unless its a guy who is currently a 3c and you're expecting to one day move into a 2c type role. It would have to be a young player with upside who just happens to slot in a 3c role right now.

Again, you don't have to pay crazy prices for a 3c if you're willing to take some of those who are available. But some people don't want those guys.

Like I said, I'll happily through Haula + 2 for Pageau and try to work on other things.

Yeah, JGP isn't the bright pick, but he is capable to play defensive role. And take some face offs.

 

[longislanddevil]

Nemec has more value than 3rd line center.

If Fitzgerald moves Nemec for a 3C (no way he does this), he should be fired. I’m not a Fitz truther anymore but even he would realize that’s poor asset management.

 

[Time Skip]

There isn’t a trade NJ can make for Quinn that doesnt hamstring them longterm

Already short on assets that maintain a contender. Let him come for just cash or not at all.

Sentiment will cost us longevity. Itll happen naturally if he really wants it to

 

[Forge]

If Fitzgerald moves Nemec for a 3C (no way he does this), he should be fired. I’m not a Fitz truther anymore but even he would realize that’s poor asset management.

He won't. Not int hat way. If he made a prospect / prospect swap on Nemec I wouldn't be blown away, but I think it has to be Dougie.

My guess is that if he does anything (I'm not convinced he will), Hamilton is the domino that falls.

If he wants to make legit changes to improve the team, it basically has to start with Dougie and that 9 million dollars. It's going to be very difficult to do much of anything if he's not off the books

 

[Zippy316]

If they know he is gone, they should trade him this offseason and tank, but I seriously doubt the Canucks move him.

Its going to be next offseason or trade deadline if it happens at all

I think there’s a better chance that the Canucks trade him to another team that looks at him as a two deadline rental.

I could see a team like Carolina or LA or Winnipeg or Minnestoa make a bold move to try to win and offer up more than the Devils would be willing to. Especially if Vancouver would retain to up the return as that would open up the market on teams that could afford him.

 

[Zippy316]

He won't. Not int hat way. If he made a prospect / prospect swap on Nemec I wouldn't be blown away, but I think it has to be Dougie.

My guess is that if he does anything (I'm not convinced he will), Hamilton is the domino that falls.

If he wants to make legit changes to improve the team, it basically has to start with Dougie and that 9 million dollars. It's going to be very difficult to do much of anything if he's not off the books

I think Nemec’s ELC is far more valuable to the Devils than people realize, especially with how much salary Fitzgerald has put into the defense position.

The only way it makes sense to deal Nemec is for a prospect center like Wright that is equally as cheap as him.

 

[Mgd31]

The Flyers were 6th in 5 on 5 xGA the last 2 years. Shaw seems to know what he’s doing defensively.

I hope it wasn’t just a function of play style and we can still improve the 5 on 5 scoring without giving it back on the other end

 

[devilsfan950003]

I said for ONE year of Quinn, not two. You’re omitting serious context here. I also stated if Vancouver sits on Quinn for another year, they will have zero leverage. At that point, who is Fitzgerald even competing with for one year of Quinn’s services? The league knows he’ll be a Devil in the 27-28 season. As I said earlier, I think a lot of people will be surprised at just how underwhelming the return for Quinn will be IF Vancouver doesn’t move him before the trade deadline this coming season.

You left out Mercer and also said I’d be willing to add a little more. I’m fine trading Casey because he becomes redundant with Quinn from a PP and offensive standpoint.

Please feel free to bookmark my post. I’m happy to revisit it later.

I don't see any reason to trade for Quinn. They have two seasons to clear cap space to sign him as a UFA. Then, after he's signed, you can trade Mercer, Casey, Nemec to any team. In two seasons, Palat will be a UFA too. They'll need his cap space.

 

[Guttersniped]

Heartbreaking to see Carolina being hampered by non-penalized interference. Hate to see it.

(Edit) Note: Didn’t notice this was the Devils Discussion thread before posting this. Oh well.

 

[HellOnIce]

I said for ONE year of Quinn, not two. You’re omitting serious context here. I also stated if Vancouver sits on Quinn for another year, they will have zero leverage. At that point, who is Fitzgerald even competing with for one year of Quinn’s services? The league knows he’ll be a Devil in the 27-28 season. As I said earlier, I think a lot of people will be surprised at just how underwhelming the return for Quinn will be IF Vancouver doesn’t move him before the trade deadline this coming season.

You left out Mercer and also said I’d be willing to add a little more. I’m fine trading Casey because he becomes redundant with Quinn from a PP and offensive standpoint.

Please feel free to bookmark my post. I’m happy to revisit it later.

How does having the best D in the league without trade protection have zero leverage? It makes no sense. Every team gunning for a Cup would give up a penny to have him for one season. Mercer is not a real high-end piece.

 

[HersheyBob27]

No to Bennett, good player but he's getting overpaid for sure. I don't really think Fitz should try for Boeser or Ehlers either, they'll command too much as well.

His best option should be sending an offer sheet to someone like Bourque and making a trade for a Pageau level 3C or Colton if you think he can actually play C at an NHL level.

To get a player like bennett you need to pay up. Banking on fitz pulling off an offer sheet is folly. Not confident the needed changes will be made

 

[Forge]

 

[glenwo2]

Heartbreaking to see Carolina being hampered by non-penalized interference. Hate to see it.

(Edit) Note: Didn’t notice this was the Devils Discussion thread before posting this. Oh well.

Yeah....

 

[devilsblood]

The long term on Luke is 6 years?

I'd like to see him take the Jesper Bratt discount.

 

[HersheyBob27]

Sam Bennett doesn’t sniff Palat’s jock when it comes to playoff performance.

The numbers are really close. Palat spent alot of time with kucherov if I remember correctly. As a complete package with the physicality and intimidation factors Bennett clearly is better. Besides we signed a washed palat at 32 and bennett is only 28 now. Best years are yet yo come

 

[NJDevs26]

The numbers are really close. Palat spent alot of time with kucherov if I remember correctly. As a complete package with the physicality and intimidation factors Bennett clearly is better. Besides we signed a washed palat at 32 and bennett is only 28 now. Best years are yet yo come

Nice fudging of the numbers lol, we signed Palat at 31 and Bennett will be 29 when he plays next year

And the point of the Palat/Bennett comparisons is that you're overpaying a good player on intangibles like he's a star, who plays a more physical game on and hoping he doesn't break down too soon into the deal. The fact he might have two more good years at the front end of his deal doesn't mean much when you're giving him seven years in all likelhood...so you're still getting Bennett's 31-36 years the same as you did Palat. Only difference is you're getting the 29-30 years, but it's gotta be the right team who's that close to winning and it's worth it to them and again you gotta hope he doesn't break down cause sometimes guys who play a physical game do hit a wall sooner.

He is a more...well rounded player sure, but that also means he'll get a bigger deal and be an even bigger albatross when the bottom falls out.

 

[BostonDevil]

I don't see any real decisions to be made.

Long term on Luke and everyone else who doesn't want a league minimum contract can find their way out of NJ.

We'll talk Nemec and Daws at some point later

 

[Smitty426]

Think I'd much rather see if we can get Marchment here vs. Colton.

He'd be good too

 

[TheUnseenHand]

There isn’t a trade NJ can make for Quinn that doesnt hamstring them longterm

Already short on assets that maintain a contender. Let him come for just cash or not at all.

Sentiment will cost us longevity. Itll happen naturally if he really wants it to

I agree with this. But to maintain a contender, we have to be a contender. Which is even more reason not to make a big trade. Because this team still needs several pieces to be a contender.