Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason edition

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Why is Colton available?

I should have written that Colton is the only one who might be available.

There has been speculation that the Avs might need more cap space to strengthen their team elsewhere. But that's just speculation.

 

[Incharge1976]

I mean, if your goal was to beat Carolina sure. Even fully healthy they aren't getting far with their lack of depth they had this past season. It needs more help. I don't think the answer is just 1 Bennett.

It's pretty clear what the issue is outside of health. They were one of the best teams in the league when they were getting production from the bottom six.

The focus should be 100% on 3C and another winger for that line. We need the complete opposite of players like Haula disappearing for half the season.

 

[Oneiro]

Colton makes 4M and I don't see Colorado eating any of it. We don't need to add another Mercer-esque guy to this team. We need a real two-way third line center, that's not him.

If I'm Fitz, I'd even go to Guerin-level lengths to get Palat and Haula off this team. I think the hunger and consistency aren't there with either guy. You need to do something in the room and in between whistles to change the energy of the team.

 

[NJDfan86]

For all their goals against issues, Philly had one of the best analytical defenses in hockey. They ranked 6th in expected goals against in the entire NHL.

They just allowed 40 goals above expected due to having the worst trio of goaltenders a team has ever had in a single season lol

Had solid xG impacts in both prevention and generation on the PK as well.

 

[Smitty426]

Colton is probably the only one who is available. The Canucks and the Mammoth are trying to be competitive next season so they don't have no reason to trade those other players.

"If Wayne Gretzky can be traded...."

 

[Smitty426]

Colton makes 4M and I don't see Colorado eating any of it. We don't need to add another Mercer-esque guy to this team. We need a real two-way third line center, that's not him.

If I'm Fitz, I'd even go to Guerin-level lengths to get Palat and Haula off this team. I think the hunger and consistency aren't there with either guy. You need to do something in the room and in between whistles to change the energy of the team.

I think Colton is the perfect type of winger to play with 86. And then if need be worked around the lineup. This team needs a couple of bigger younger heavy-type players to bang boards etc. Colton is that type and more of what is needed. I think Haula going the other way may even be a fit.

 

[tailfins]

If you want a guy that can be a legit 3c, than that's going to be far pricier. If the idea is that we'd rather see what Haula healthy as opposed to a vet retread 3c like Pageau (and by extension, that would likely apply to other 3c of this ilk - Compher, Copp, Anaheim Strome, etc) then I think we are at a point where we aren't really interested in fixing this problem because I don't know how this team does that without moving a guy like Nemec.

No reason to try Texier as opposed to just bringing back Glass, tbh.

Krebs is a little more interesting as a 4c if only because he's only like 1.4 million and can more consistently stay healthy, but I think you have to actually deduct from the roster for him. The last thing Buffalo needs is more futures it feels like. But I'd kick this around for sure, but the premise is kind of the same as what we have - hoping a 4c can be a capable 3c

Colton could be had for futures, but doesn't seem like a true C. Colorado was starved for centers and they mostly played him on wing this year, I think. Colton strikes me as more of a wing who can take faceoffs. I am a fan of Colton and I'd take him, but I don't know that he actually resolves a 3c issue. I dunno.

Sillinger is definitely an intriguing one, but I Think this is pricier than people want it to be. This is around the same age that Dach was traded (he was about 21 years, 6 months, Sillinger would be 22 years old, 1-2 months) and Dach returned the #13 pick overall and a third. The devils have no first this year which I think would immediately put them at a disadvantage in acquiring him (plus same division and all). I just think that people may be surprised at what that return looks like if they move him.

I think you're dead on.

I think Holik when I think of Sillinger. It's the reason I don't think the BJs move him until mid-season at least. But, if he has another mediocre year maybe they take what they can get before he heads to arbitration.

 

[tailfins]

I think Colton is the perfect type of winger to play with 86. And then if need be worked around the lineup. This team needs a couple of bigger younger heavy-type players to bang boards etc. Colton is that type and more of what is needed. I think Haula going the other way may even be a fit.

Avs prob would want some retention on Haula. But really they owe us for sending them Bardakov for MacDermid.

 

[Time Skip]

If you want a guy that can be a legit 3c, than that's going to be far pricier. If the idea is that we'd rather see what Haula healthy as opposed to a vet retread 3c like Pageau (and by extension, that would likely apply to other 3c of this ilk - Compher, Copp, Anaheim Strome, etc) then I think we are at a point where we aren't really interested in fixing this problem because I don't know how this team does that without moving a guy like Nemec.

No reason to try Texier as opposed to just bringing back Glass, tbh.

Krebs is a little more interesting as a 4c if only because he's only like 1.4 million and can more consistently stay healthy, but I think you have to actually deduct from the roster for him. The last thing Buffalo needs is more futures it feels like. But I'd kick this around for sure, but the premise is kind of the same as what we have - hoping a 4c can be a capable 3c

Colton could be had for futures, but doesn't seem like a true C. Colorado was starved for centers and they mostly played him on wing this year, I think. Colton strikes me as more of a wing who can take faceoffs. I am a fan of Colton and I'd take him, but I don't know that he actually resolves a 3c issue. I dunno.

Sillinger is definitely an intriguing one, but I Think this is pricier than people want it to be. This is around the same age that Dach was traded (he was about 21 years, 6 months, Sillinger would be 22 years old, 1-2 months) and Dach returned the #13 pick overall and a third. The devils have no first this year which I think would immediately put them at a disadvantage in acquiring him (plus same division and all). I just think that people may be surprised at what that return looks like if they move him.

Im not sure it takes Nemec to get it done. Mercer has value and control, plus it doesn't have to be this season. If you meant just this summer then perhaps you’re right, it’s probably take Nemec

But thats if you didn’t like the 3C options at the teams who want Mercer; those calls will and have come

 

[McDuffz88]

Colton makes 4M and I don't see Colorado eating any of it. We don't need to add another Mercer-esque guy to this team. We need a real two-way third line center, that's not him.

If I'm Fitz, I'd even go to Guerin-level lengths to get Palat and Haula off this team. I think the hunger and consistency aren't there with either guy. You need to do something in the room and in between whistles to change the energy of the team.

As much as I would like to move on from Palat/Haula it's not going to change much. Haula has a 1 year deal. Just let him ride it out & worst case scenario we have a Vet who can play center when someone is injured. Biggest priority is Hamilton. Dude was laughing and smiling joking around with Carolina players after they officially eliminated us. That was all I needed to see. If a dude is able to smile or joke around after getting kicked out the playoffs the guy has to go. We need players who are hungry for success. Not a dude who doesn't really care if we win or lose. This is besides all the other Hamilton cap problems.

 

[Smitty426]

Avs prob would want some retention on Haula. But really they owe us for sending them Bardakov for MacDermid.

2 years less, $850K less, less broken than Ross. Can be a real center low enough in the lineup. Let Drury bump up to 3C if need be. Can be a good PKer on that Avs team. Send the papers!

 

[Oneiro]

Think I'd much rather see if we can get Marchment here vs. Colton.

 

[HellOnIce]

trade deadline rental prices =/= offseason trade prices

Quinn Hughes is the top 3 D in the league, even as a rental - he's not going for a 1st + Tobias Villen - ridiculous.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Quinn Hughes is the top 3 D in the league, even as a rental - he's not going for a 1st + Tobias Villen - ridiculous.

I don't think anyone here has suggested as such?

 

[Edmonton East]

I was not going to comment, but couldn’t help myself. Erik Haula can no longer play the center position. This past season will be his last one with us and I think dumbo knows this too. He will be bought out or traded for a pick. He’s gone. No sense including him to mock lineups.

Fitz will buyout Haula (because that’s the only contract he can feasibly buyout) and come back around in July to brag that they skimmed the fat or whatever BS fiscal philosophy he’s willing to tout.

I loved Lou’s “if you have time, use it” mantra. He lived by it. Fitz, on the other hand, is a vacillating piece of shit GM. One year it’s size and compete and the next it’s goaltending and then back to size and compete.

He won't buyout Haula. He only has a 6 team no trade list because Fitz was apparently sober during this contract signing. A rarity. He can be moved easily if wanted.

 

[HellOnIce]

I don't think anyone here has suggested as such?

"1st round pick, Mercer + Vilen…I make that deal all day." from this am.

 

[MadDevil]

Nice. When do we hire Ron Simmons?

 

[Edmonton East]

Quinn Hughes is the top 3 D in the league, even as a rental - he's not going for a 1st + Tobias Villen - ridiculous.

Yea, it's quite hilarious to see some folks think they could get Quinn Hughes for 2 years for a couple firsts and maybe a non blue chip prospect or something. Ridiculous really.

Two 1sts and Casey won't get it done either. I'll just go back to some variant of what I mentioned months ago. People will scream it's too much, but something like this is the only way it makes sense for both sides...not just HF Devs.

Quinn Hughes
Demko 50%+ retained

for

Nemec (maybe you can do Casey instead, but I doubt it)
Silayev (would be mostly set at LD anyway)
1st

Canucks roster is in rough shape with limited prospects. If Quinn actually does wanna play with his bros, they'd be wise to tank a year or 2 and hopefully expedite any rebuild with these pieces.

 

[Guadana]

If you want a guy that can be a legit 3c, than that's going to be far pricier. If the idea is that we'd rather see what Haula healthy as opposed to a vet retread 3c like Pageau (and by extension, that would likely apply to other 3c of this ilk - Compher, Copp, Anaheim Strome, etc) then I think we are at a point where we aren't really interested in fixing this problem because I don't know how this team does that without moving a guy like Nemec.

No reason to try Texier as opposed to just bringing back Glass, tbh.

Krebs is a little more interesting as a 4c if only because he's only like 1.4 million and can more consistently stay healthy, but I think you have to actually deduct from the roster for him. The last thing Buffalo needs is more futures it feels like. But I'd kick this around for sure, but the premise is kind of the same as what we have - hoping a 4c can be a capable 3c

Colton could be had for futures, but doesn't seem like a true C. Colorado was starved for centers and they mostly played him on wing this year, I think. Colton strikes me as more of a wing who can take faceoffs. I am a fan of Colton and I'd take him, but I don't know that he actually resolves a 3c issue. I dunno.

Sillinger is definitely an intriguing one, but I Think this is pricier than people want it to be. This is around the same age that Dach was traded (he was about 21 years, 6 months, Sillinger would be 22 years old, 1-2 months) and Dach returned the #13 pick overall and a third. The devils have no first this year which I think would immediately put them at a disadvantage in acquiring him (plus same division and all). I just think that people may be surprised at what that return looks like if they move him.

Nemec has more value than 3rd line center.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Nice. When do we hire Ron Simmons?

 

[glenwo2]

I don’t know whether this makes me feel better about the Devils doing this while being decimated on the backend or to stare blankly at how badly Washington did.

 

[glenwo2]

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[Bcap88]

The 5 v 5 play against Carolina wasn’t the issue

The cold power play, allowing short handed goals on the power play and the penalty kill going to shit is what was the problem along with untimely goaltending

 

[My3Sons]

Carolina does that as well. Hoisted by their own petard.

 

[Comparison Ford]

I think if we want Quinn this offseason, it has to start with Mercer, Nemec, 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick at the absolute very least. I'm still not sure that gets it done.