Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason edition

[Emperoreddy]

Honestly im confident between offseason and tge deadline that we will find the goals we need.

Keefe will have them playing good defense.

The big question marks are going to be if we can stay healthy and if the goaltending will hold up

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

Uh? Far fetched a bit?

You have to take contract demand into consideration. He's not a 13+ million dollar player, which is prob what he's gunna demand.

I'd argue he's not worth his current contract either

 

[devilsblood]

With all due respect, this makes me feel ill.

Very similar to those who head-nodded Tatar's return last summer. Familiar face or whatever.

Enough already. Tired of holding my nose. We need upgrades.

I get why people are against it, but a big part of why they dislike the idea is because our entire bottom 6 was devoid of offense and the bottom 6 centers were as big an issue as anyone.

And more importantly, as I noted above, it would be OK if Jack could stay healthy which is something we can't really depend on. So end of the day I'm probably against the idea as well.

But if he was well insulated I think Glass would be an OK 3rd center. Not unlike Kotkaniemi in Carolina.

 

[devilsblood]

You have to take contract demand into consideration. He's not a 13+ million dollar player, which is prob what he's gunna demand.

I'd argue he's not worth his current contract either

I'd be pretty surprised if he got $13 mil.

I'm not sure he gets a raise.

From a Devils perspective, if we were to offer, I'd set the bar at the Bratt contract, which I'm sure someone outbids, but by how much?

 

[Devils731]

I'd be pretty surprised if he got $13 mil.

I'm not sure he gets a raise.

From a Devils perspective, if we were to offer, I'd set the bar at the Bratt contract, which I'm sure someone outbids, but by how much?

I think Marner gets between $12-14 million per year.

 

[devilsblood]

I think Marner gets between $12-14 million per year.

So you think he could be the highest paid player in the league? Or no worse then top 4?

I know there was a time when he was up there amongst the leagues highest paid, but that was due to a high tax city in Toronto wanting to keep that core of young together. If Toronto isn't going to drive the bidding to upper echelon levels, I'm not sure there is another team willing to do so.

He is a non physical, not elite goal scoring winger without a cup winning resume. Those are typically attributes which drive prices up.

 

[Triumph]

So you think he could be the highest paid player in the league? Or no worse then top 4?

I know there was a time when he was up there amongst the leagues highest paid, but that was due to a high tax city in Toronto wanting to keep that core of young together. If Toronto isn't going to drive the bidding to upper echelon levels, I'm not sure there is another team willing to do so.

He is a non physical, not elite goal scoring winger without a cup winning resume. Those are typically attributes which drive prices up.

There are a lot of teams who have cap room and who don't get a chance to acquire a player like this very often. If Marner goes for the most money, he will have it.

A similar thing happened with Dougie Hamilton in 2021, except that there was significantly less cap room in the NHL.

 

[Devils731]

So you think he could be the highest paid player in the league? Or no worse then top 4?

I know there was a time when he was up there amongst the leagues highest paid, but that was due to a high tax city in Toronto wanting to keep that core of young together. If Toronto isn't going to drive the bidding to upper echelon levels, I'm not sure there is another team willing to do so.

He is a non physical, not elite goal scoring winger without a cup winning resume. Those are typically attributes which drive prices up.

Yes, the cap will be way higher with many more teams being able to offer big bucks because of it.

If I’m getting even money on whether he gets more of less than $12 million a year then I’m backing up the truck on the over.

 

[Forge]

So you think he could be the highest paid player in the league? Or no worse then top 4?

I know there was a time when he was up there amongst the leagues highest paid, but that was due to a high tax city in Toronto wanting to keep that core of young together. If Toronto isn't going to drive the bidding to upper echelon levels, I'm not sure there is another team willing to do so.

He is a non physical, not elite goal scoring winger without a cup winning resume. Those are typically attributes which drive prices up.

Players of his quality rarely hit the open market.

Johnny G's contract with Columbus would have been equal to a little over 11 million on next year's cap, believe. I think he got 9.75 on 82.5?

I would expect marner to definitely get a higher cap percentage

 

[edevils]

So you think he could be the highest paid player in the league? Or no worse then top 4?

I know there was a time when he was up there amongst the leagues highest paid, but that was due to a high tax city in Toronto wanting to keep that core of young together. If Toronto isn't going to drive the bidding to upper echelon levels, I'm not sure there is another team willing to do so.

He is a non physical, not elite goal scoring winger without a cup winning resume. Those are typically attributes which drive prices up.

Someone like Chicago is going to step in and overpay. I don't think he's worth more than 10, but he's going to get paid imo. It's free agency where teams overpay.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Chicago would throw him the bag to play with Bedard since they've had has beens + monstrous amount of space and you eventually have to show your fanbase you care about jump starting this rebuild into wins.

Islanders would throw a bag to him on the basis of getting out of Toronto, LI lifestyle, they just got the first overall, play with Horvat/Barzal for the next 5-6 years. Loads of cap space, owners might want to make a splash similar to what we did with Dougie in 2021 which was mentioned above.

Canes, they're my sleeper team for him, but I have no idea what their thinking is. If they come up short again in the playoffs due to goal scoring then adding Marner to that core makes sense. Again, similar to the Islanders paragraph, he gets out of the limelight of Toronto and probably joins the most functional team in the league from top to bottom as much as we hate f***ing hate their guts for diving and being scumbags. Part of me thinks they go for a huge center add this summer because you can't be having Aho/Kotkaniemi/Staal as your top 3 C's and expect to win a cup.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Players of his quality rarely hit the open market.

Johnny G's contract with Columbus would have been equal to a little over 11 million on next year's cap, believe. I think he got 9.75 on 82.5?

I would expect marner to definitely get a higher cap percentage

Gaudreau also was coming off a monster year too, the thing that probably took his AAV down also was the East Coast stuff.

 

[mdj12784]

How realistic is it they trade for Quinn? Is it more realistic they wait an extra two years to snag him in FA? I’d like him here sooner, but reading a lot of trade proposals I do not like.

 

[edevils]

How realistic is it they trade for Quinn? Is it more realistic they wait an extra two years to snag him in FA? I’d like him here sooner, but reading a lot of trade proposals I do not like.

Most proposals I have read are more than I'm willing to trade away. But at the same time, he's the first or second best defenseman in the league.

With that said, I rather wait. We'd be giving up roster players, picks, and prospects to add another defenseman.

I don't think we need another defenseman with the logjam there already. We need forwards. Even if we trade Casey, we need forwards. I won't trade Nemec.

However, if we do wait, we can keep the assets and have two years to figure out what the defense would look like with Q.

 

[devilsblood]

Players of his quality rarely hit the open market.

Johnny G's contract with Columbus would have been equal to a little over 11 million on next year's cap, believe. I think he got 9.75 on 82.5?

I would expect marner to definitely get a higher cap percentage

But $11 mil is less then $12-14.

Marner has a more consistent resume, but Gaudreau was coming off a 40 goal 115 point season.

We shall see.

 

[devilsblood]

There are a lot of teams who have cap room and who don't get a chance to acquire a player like this very often. If Marner goes for the most money, he will have it.

A similar thing happened with Dougie Hamilton in 2021, except that there was significantly less cap room in the NHL.

But Dougie got $9mil. Was he even top 10 highest paid at the time of the contract?

 

[devsfan8]

I can see Marner going to Chicago or Columbus.

Knies is another offer sheet candidate for us. But assuming one of their core 4 at minimum is gone (likely both Tavares and Marner) they will probably extend Knies and make him part of their core with Nylander and Matthews.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

But Dougie got $9mil. Was he even top 10 highest paid at the time of the contract?

Dougie got $9m/year when the cap was $81.5m. The cap is expected to be $95.5m this coming year.

so that $9m then is more like ~$10.5m now.

 

[thebeernerd]

Nope, I still don't want Marner.

Honestly im confident between offseason and tge deadline that we will find the goals we need.

Keefe will have them playing good defense.

The big question marks are going to be if we can stay healthy and if the goaltending will hold up

I know people are down on Fitz, and I understand the reasoning. I'm a bit of that myself because I went from thinking "he's the guy to bring us a Cup" a season ago to "he may not be that guy" now. But he's serious about identifying flaws and doing something to fix them in the offseason. The line that stuck with me in the end-of-season presser was that depth scoring was the last thing on his list. Given the porous defense and the even more porous goaltending, I can't blame him. And after that Carolina series, I realized Keefe's style will likely give us a good run in the playoffs with good health.

This offseason is key to whether my faith will be rewarded. I'm still confident but we'll have to see.

How realistic is it they trade for Quinn? Is it more realistic they wait an extra two years to snag him in FA? I’d like him here sooner, but reading a lot of trade proposals I do not like.

With the Adam Foote hiring, I think getting Quinn this offseason is very likely off the table. Foote is the closest thing to Tocchet and he had Quinn's ringing endorsement. This was very much a "keep our captain and cornerstone happy" hire. But I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being worse for them than just ripping the Band-Aid off and promoting Malhotra, who has a style that's different and more suitable for getting guys like C-Petey back on track.

If it's all tits up for the Canucks by the deadline, I'd like to see what a trade might look like. As of now, we're in "don't interrupt your enemy while he's making a mistake" mode.

 

[devsfan8]

But Dougie got $9mil. Was he even top 10 highest paid at the time of the contract?

We also must consider strength of the free agent market. Marner is rhe top name available amongst forwards. Those attributes always factor in any given year.

I agree with you Marner should be paid right around Johnny Hockey (RIP). Marner has had 1 100 point season, a career high of 35 goals which matches Nico's and then a bunch of seasons comparable to Bratts numbers. And he has not been past the 2nd round. 7 to 8 years at 9 to 10 is his worth. But due to him being the biggest name he will get more.

 

[devilsblood]

Dougie got $9m/year when the cap was $81.5m. The cap is expected to be $95.5m this coming year.

so that $9m then is more like ~$10.5m now.

But again, $10.5 is not $12-14. At the time it was not top 5 in the league.

Marner is a very good player, but he was overpaid on his first contract and I think that is swaying peoples opinions on what he gets on his next deal.

If he's the highest paid player in the league going into next season.......

 

[devilsblood]

We also must consider strength of the free agent market. Marner is rhe top name available amongst forwards. Those attributes always factor in any given year.

I agree with you Marner should be paid right around Johnny Hockey (RIP). Marner has had 1 100 point season, a career high of 35 goals which matches Nico's and then a bunch of seasons comparable to Bratts numbers. And he has not been past the 2nd round. 7 to 8 years at 9 to 10 is his worth. But due to him being the biggest name he will get more.

Similar to Gaudreau leaving Tkachuk, we have to consider that Marner will not be playing with Matthews going fwd.

Yes Chicago may bring him in to set up Bedard, but Bedard is not Matthews. He's not the goal scorer that Matthews is, and he's not the physical presence Matthews is either. Marner will likely not be nearly as productive.

 

[devsfan8]

Similar to Gaudreau leaving Tkachuk, we have to consider that Marner will not be playing with Matthews going fwd.

Yes Chicago may bring him in to set up Bedard, but Bedard is not Matthews. He's not the goal scorer that Matthews is, and he's not the physical presence Matthews is either. Marner will likely not be nearly as productive.

Again, I do not disagree. I'm just not sure that will factor in to his contract as much as the fact that he is the biggest name available on the market.

If Brock Nelson was the top available forward, he would probably get over 10 mill lol.

 

[JrFischer54]

I want to offersheet Will Cuylle. It would be hilarious and he’s actually good.

So the second highest level would be 2 firsts 1 second 1 third? your going to be getting an elite level player for that? yeah give me that any day of the week please.

 

[devilsblood]

Again, I do not disagree. I'm just not sure that will factor in to his contract as much as the fact that he is the biggest name available on the market.

If Brock Nelson was the top available forward, he would probably get over 10 mill lol.

And I do acknowledge it only takes one GM. So it certainly could happen. But Mitch Marner as the highest paid player, even if it's only for one season, sounds crazy to me.