Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason edition

[Cheddabombs]

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You're laughing? The people are pining for Boqvist and Zetterlund, and you're laughing?

 

[TrufleShufle]

You're laughing? The people are pining for Boqvist and Zetterlund, and you're laughing?

I was trying to let people know it was a serious matter and stop it in it's tracks before the pining became rampant, but it's too late I see, the damage is done, the players have been pined for and we all had to witness it. Not sure there is any coming back from this.

 

[Smitty426]

https://puckpedia.com/news/10-2-c

10.2(c) RFA like Luke aren't eligible for offer sheets due to lack of service time. Otherwise RFAs are eligible to sign.

Utah has plenty of cap space with most of their notable guys signed for next season. Doesn't seem like a team to target with an offer sheet. And something I always ask with offer sheets is why not work out a boring old trade instead?

Mcbain or Stenlund would be good pickups imo

 

[Smitty426]

What about Jack Quinn? Buffalo has JJ, Byram and the rapist’s brother as RFAs to sign.

JJ and "the better Mcleod" would be upgrades

 

[Smitty426]

I'd be surprised if Dougie is traded this offseason. Guy his age with no cups isn't going to waive for a bottom feeder. $9M contract with injury issues could make other teams weary. Ten team trade list (Not a 10 team NO trade list) is easy to game. Heavy retention almost makes the juice not worth the squeeze.

I feel like if it happens, it'll be ugly for us.

Although on July 1 $10M of his $11M actual pay this year is done as bonus, so out of pocket is nice for cheap teams (similar to what Buf is). Cap hit is still $9M

 

[My3Sons]

Dillon has a full NTC next season.

I would love to wish him into the cornfield as much as anyone but I’m also assuming he’s on the roster next season.

I honestly have no idea what Fitz’s plan is.

Signing Kovy to a 4m deal means we’re spending 25.9m on 5 dmen before signing Luke. We’re going to be overspending on defense unless we sign Luke to short bridge deal.

We also currently have 3 RHD signed in front of Nemec and Casey.

I don’t disagree that Hamilton makes us more potent offensively and he’s also not the easiest player to trade.

We just have to wait and see what happens.

Not sure you need to endlessly debate hypothetical roster moves to this extent. You made your position clear and others are going to keep wanting Dougie dumped.

Wish him into the cornfield? Really, that's the reference you go with? Are you hoping to impress my parents with that nugget?

 

[Its Always Sundstrom]

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[Forge]

I like Zetterlund. Wouldn't expect him to be the 20 goal scorer he has been the last two years on the devils, but he'll throw his body around a bit, block some shots and scores some goals for you. I think he's a quality third player who can play up if needed and not kill you.

 

[dgibb10]

Dillon has a full NTC next season.

I would love to wish him into the cornfield as much as anyone but I’m also assuming he’s on the roster next season.

I honestly have no idea what Fitz’s plan is.

Signing Kovy to a 4m deal means we’re spending 25.9m on 5 dmen before signing Luke. We’re going to be overspending on defense unless we sign Luke to short bridge deal.

We also currently have 3 RHD signed in front of Nemec and Casey.

I don’t disagree that Hamilton makes us more potent offensively and he’s also not the easiest player to trade.

We just have to wait and see what happens.

Not sure you need to endlessly debate hypothetical roster moves to this extent. You made your position clear and others are going to keep wanting Dougie dumped.

I think the approach, if you WERE to try and move Dillon would be one of two options.

Option 1) You go to him honestly and tell him you don't see him in the lineup since you like the 6 of Nemec, Kovy, Pesce, Siegs, Luke, Dougie all more than him. You see if he'd prefer to play elsewhere where he can actually get minutes and work out a trade from there

Option 2) (more nasty) If there is interest at his cap hit (which there could be depending on how UFA goes) you could do what NYR did with Goodrow and Trouba, using the fact that he does not have an NMC to place him on waivers.

No it's not an effortless move, but neither is working around Hamilton/Palat's 10 team lists+NMCs if that's the route you want to take (and in this case if he wants a chance at another contract after this one, he'd probably want to be in a lineup somewhere).

Also, frankly I'm okay with a 35 mill dcore out of a 96 mill cap tbh. + 5 mill for goalies (marky+daws), leaves 56 mill on forwards.

 

[tailfins]

I think the approach, if you WERE to try and move Dillon would be one of two options.

Option 1) You go to him honestly and tell him you don't see him in the lineup since you like the 6 of Nemec, Kovy, Pesce, Siegs, Luke, Dougie all more than him. You see if he'd prefer to play elsewhere where he can actually get minutes and work out a trade from there

Option 2) (more nasty) If there is interest at his cap hit (which there could be depending on how UFA goes) you could do what NYR did with Goodrow and Trouba, using the fact that he does not have an NMC to place him on waivers.

No it's not an effortless move, but neither is working around Hamilton/Palat's 10 team lists+NMCs if that's the route you want to take (and in this case if he wants a chance at another contract after this one, he'd probably want to be in a lineup somewhere).

Also, frankly I'm okay with a 35 mill dcore out of a 96 mill cap tbh. + 5 mill for goalies (marky+daws), leaves 56 mill on forwards.

I think a lot still needs to play out with Dillon. The injury news sounded like there's more info to come.



Even this quote posted by Spaulding says that he's "optimistic" of having a normal summer. That doesn't sound definitive.

 

[dgibb10]

I think a lot still needs to play out with Dillon. The injury news sounded like there's more info to come.



Even this quote posted by Spaulding says that he's "optimistic" of having a normal summer. That doesn't sound definitive.

I think you may relegate him to 7D or at least maybe onto a schedule with some rest days in there.

I know people in here hate the idea of a guy on his off side but I don't think it's a terrible idea to try, and if it doesn't work it doesn't work.

 

[tailfins]

I think you may relegate him to 7D or at least maybe onto a schedule with some rest days in there.

I know people in here hate the idea of a guy on his off side but I don't think it's a terrible idea to try, and if it doesn't work it doesn't work.

People hate it because the league has tried to move away from it, because they've seen the disaster in Buffalo with their 8 billion LD, and because we saw Seamus and Nemec be a tire fire early in the season.

But, you're right - Pesce on his off-side is very different. He managed pretty well in the Carolina series after they realized Cholowski was unplayable.

I'd certainly try Pesce on the left side before ditching any of our D. Dougie has multiple injuries; who knows when Kovacevic returns; Dillon is supposed to be back - but again who knows; Luke had shoulder surgery. The Devils have defensive depth. It's likely too expensive, but it's something they've already invested in, and it probably will cost them to unwind it. Just stay the course and see how things play out.

(All of this is out the window if Quinn wants to move.)

 

[dgibb10]

People hate it because the league has tried to move away from it, because they've seen the disaster in Buffalo with their 8 billion LD, and because we saw Seamus and Nemec be a tire fire early in the season.

But, you're right - Pesce on his off-side is very different. He managed pretty well in the Carolina series after the realized Cholowski was unplayable.

I'd certainly try Pesce on the left side before ditching any of our D. Dougie has multiple injuries; who knows when Kovacevic returns; Dillon is supposed to be back - but again who knows; Luke had shoulder surgery. The Devils have defensive depth. It's likely too expensive, but it's something they've already invested in, and it probably will cost them to unwind it. Just stay the course and see how things play out.

(All of this is out the window if Quinn wants to move.)

I agree (Pesce also played on the left side for stretches during his time in Car).

I'd keep the 7 dmen and go from there.

Find me a 3C at haula's salary (using retention as a tool) and go from there.

 

[JimEIV]

Both provide skill sets that this team lacks.

Boqvist hurts for me because he is emblematic of the Devils moving away from the speed that made them dominant in 22-23.

Zetterlund is also the type of forward the Devils need right now to compliment their roster. There’s a huge drop off between Meier and Mercer/Noesen that no one filled last year.

RW is probably the absolute least of our concerns. Meier can play RW, Bratt had played RW for years now, Noesen and Mercer is probably our deepest position... Zetterlund is not better than anyone that we can use on the Right side...

LW is much different. Meier is there because he had to be and there is absolutely nothing after him....

But beyond that Zetterlund just isn't that good. He certainly isn't a top 6 winger on a serious team. He's a right handed Cotter.


Eternal truth:

The shit you don't have is better than the shit you do have....I guess absence makes the heart grow fonder.

 

[devsfan8]

Fwiw.. 3rd assistant coach could be on his way out as well.. (if he wants it)

 

[NjDevsRR]

Fwiw.. 3rd assistant coach could be on his way out as well.. (if he wants it)

Hope he stays because hes obviously a Devil mainstay and with Grits coming over it would be nice to have someone who can speak the language

 

[JimEIV]

Fwiw.. 3rd assistant coach could be on his way out as well.. (if he wants it)

Love that guy. He's pure class.

 

[Better Call Sal]

Would suck to see Sarge leave, but wouldn't fault him if he truly wanted to be a head coach at some point. He'll always have a spot here regardless I imagine.

 

[My3Sons]

RW is probably the absolute least of our concerns. Meier can play RW, Bratt had played RW for years now, Noesen and Mercer is probably our deepest position... Zetterlund is not better than anyone that we can use on the Right side...

LW is much different. Meier is there because he had to be and there is absolutely nothing after him....

But beyond that Zetterlund just isn't that good. He certainly isn't a top 6 winger on a serious team. He's a right handed Cotter.


Eternal truth:

The shit you don't have is better than the shit you do have....I guess absence makes the heart grow fonder.

Once Zetterlund had his 24 goal season he became a different player from a cap standpoint. It's easy to like a guy who plays above the value of an ELC but if he plays on a third line and wants to be paid at a second line rate it's more complicated. Right now he's viewed through that lens. Let's see what he gets this summer. SJ got rid of him for a reason.

 

[Billdo]

I REALLY want them to clear enough space to offer sheet Rossi. I'd be much happier with bumping him up the lineup when Jack inevitably gets hurt than doing what we've had to do the last few times. Starting off the year with Hischier-Hughes-Rossi-Glass down the middle would be a good starting point.

 

[Clam Jensen]

I REALLY want them to clear enough space to offer sheet Rossi. I'd be much happier with bumping him up the lineup when Jack inevitably gets hurt than doing what we've had to do the last few times. Starting off the year with Hischier-Hughes-Rossi-Glass down the middle would be a good starting point.

Would definitely right the wrong of drafting Holtz when a ton of us wanted Marco.

 

[Billdo]

Would definitely right the wrong of drafting Holtz when a ton of us wanted Marco.

I was fully on board with him or Perfetti. Moreso Rossi. Also will totally admit I miss a lot. Was a big Hunter Shinkaruk guy and almost disappointed (for like a second) when we won the Jack lottery because I desperately wanted Bowen Byram.

 

[Triumph]

Why would Marco Rossi sign an offer sheet to play here? He is blocked by 2 centers forever.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Why would Marco Rossi sign an offer sheet to play here? He is blocked by 2 centers forever.

 

[The 29th Pick]

Wish him into the cornfield? Really, that's the reference you go with? Are you hoping to impress my parents with that nugget?