if he makes it to FA, i think we should go 100% after him. like you said he is a great fit and exactly what we should look for. gonna be 29 in june and i he has at least 4 -5 good years in him. not worried about the injuries really, nothing serious really and with the cap going for another 17m or so the next couple of years, an 8m will age well and is nothing to worry about imo. you can still trade him after 5 years or so, but our best chances of winning should be the next 3. freeing up dougies and palats money is exactly the point to make signings like this. we could still add two more quality guys.
Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason edition
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This is funny coming from me considering for years I was beating the drum how people didn’t care enough here about defensemen actually defending, and only wanted mobility and offense (ie the anti Fitz) but I do think we have to find a way to add a little more transition and speed to this group and I’m not sure how unless at least one and maybe two guys are sent off. The lack of transition and puck moving from the blue line is a big reason our offense went from like 10th to 20th
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I would trade either because I'm #1 in the camp of "DON'T TRADE HAMILTON" and knowing one of Casey and Nemec can get traded and we'll still have the other one.
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There is no way Bratt, Nico, or Timo go the other way. That's simply not happening, and I haven't seen one person on here or analyst off this site even suggest it.
Our highest paid D has missed 80 games, spread out over the last two seasons, and on the wrong side of 30. That doesn't even take into account that he has lost a step and we don't know what his shot will look like going forward. Relying on that is a huge risk.
The problem with this team was clearly secondary scoring. When they were getting secondary scoring the first couple of months, the Devils actually shot up to the point that some models had us winning the Cup. Once that dried up, the team faltered.
If Dougie has to be traded to improve the forward group, you make the move.
I say the Russians all have to stay
Sill, Grits and Mikie cant be added
I know the cry of what are ya giving them? Mercer, Casey, a 1st and maybe Lenni
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re: Dougie
If they get Quinn, I will be way more open to trading him. You don't recoup 50-60 pts of offense replacing Hamilton with Casey or Nemec.
I think there is a clear middle ground on the Quinn saga. If he can be acquired now for a “reasonable” price? Absolutely. If Vancouver wants roster players, specially a forward(s) that will gut depth from an already thin area, then no, it’s not worth it to prioritize right now. Quinn would be a great luxury and immediately duke it out with Jack for being the best player on the team. But if acquiring him makes the team top heavy with no depth like the Oilers of a few years ago, then I don’t see a great argument for that.
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I just don’t see Vancouver trading away Quinn under any scenario where they dont, at least, get Nemec in a return. There, you can justify to the fan base ”we got the former #2 pick.”
But all this bubblegum talk and speculation is really starting to grind on me. Vancouver will not be moving Quinn this summer. I’d say there is no chance. It’s not their M.O. In that the decision to “make the trade this year” or “wait until UFA” is not up to us and can’t be decided by us.
I’m even doubtful next summer they make any move unless they have a disaster upcoming season and Quinn asks out.
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Dougie needs to go before Quinn can come. I'm looking to move Dougie for a pick. Just get out of the contract. Move something like Mercer, Casey, 1st, and anyone that isn't in our top 4 of prospects (goalie included) for Quinn.
This would all be a lot easier if Fitz wasn't handing out movement clauses to everyone including the hot dog stand worker since I'd immediately try to move another D not named Luke, Jonas, Nemec, or Quinn for nothing more than a pick and use the cap savings from Mercer and the D we moved for a 3C which I think is their biggest area of need, well with the exception of a proven world class sniper for Jack.
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If they are worried about losing Dougie without getting Quinn, just try to get a third team involved so everything happens at once.
Bennett feels like Palat 2.0 where you pay out the nose for a guy because of his "playoff attributes" and regret it almost immediately.
Is he even one of florida's 6 best forwards?
I'm taking Verhaeghe, Marchand, Tkachuk, Barkov, and Reinhart fs.
Then the debate becomes him and Lundell and I'm not sure he wins that one.
Emperoreddy
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Im super happy and encouraged by Nemec's playoffs, but I'll pack his bags myself if it gets Quinn here now
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I'm open to trading him now. He didn't do jack during that Carolina series and I don't want to risk his value going down further. Strike while the iron is hot.
I’ll help you, but I call “shotgun” on not packing his undies
and there he is again ... love how you absolutely overstate and make things up to defend your buddy hamilton.
Dougie is the only d on the devils that provides offense? like what. you instantly regret the bennett signing? give me a break.
and the panthers have nothing to do with the devils. if you want to go that route, i give you barkov, reinhardt and tkachuk, all payed higher.
and the devils have jack, nico, bratt and timo as well. we are in the last stage to transform this team into a real contender, build through the middle, get a strong 3rd line. its exactly what fitz was trying to do at the deadline.
i simply dont want to take the risk of dougie regressing further and his contract becoming untradeable a year from now. our true window starts next season and just bringing in a 3c like you suggest isnt gonna get us there.
i dont care, if you come back with 5 posts or so. just my oppinion and i leave it at that
NJD scores 2 goals/60 5v5 without hamilton on the ice, and 3.3 with him on the ice. We objective could not score without Hamilton on the ice this past year
Sam Bennett is a 50 point guy (this year is his career high, 51 points).
Despite being 4th in florida in PP ice time he was 7th in points.
He was somehow losing his minutes 5v5 alongside Matthew Tkachuk.
He is about to enter his 30s.
He plays a physical style that tends to age very poorly.
He historically isn't particularly good defensively.
He plays a dirty style that tends to get your star players run (see Barkov literally last game. Do we want people taking those liberties on Jack and Nico because Bennett took some run at someone for no reason?)
And he's likely to command a contract somewhere in the 9 million dollar range with 7 years of term because of his "playoff style".
Anyway, onto the scenario where you do trade Hamilton
Rossi+Trenin from Min (edit, had the 2 jiricek brothers mixed up in terms of thinking of timelines), delete this
Compher+MBN from Det
Are the types of moves I'd trade hamilton for.
You do not let Carolina have him and fix their biggest weakness of their PP.
You could see if Philly is looking to make a splash to finally fix their incompetent PP, or if Utah is looking for another splash.
Maybe Nashville wants to double down on trying to win. After moving Carrier and Fabbro their right side is barren and Trotz seems like a GM who can be taken advantage of at least on younger players.
Anaheim says they are ready to spend and has the most incompetent PP in the league so maybe there.
Unfortunately, the 2 biggest and easiest destinations (desirable contenders in need of an OFD and PPQB) made their big moves already in Dallas and Florida for Rantanen and Seth Jones already.
A trade like the Seth Jones deal with Dougie for Knight+1st would have been a great move this offseason (and one I even mentioned as a suggestion back before that deal was made)
Compher+MBN from Det
Are the types of moves I'd trade hamilton for.
You do not let Carolina have him and fix their biggest weakness of their PP.
You could see if Philly is looking to make a splash to finally fix their incompetent PP, or if Utah is looking for another splash.
Maybe Nashville wants to double down on trying to win. After moving Carrier and Fabbro their right side is barren and Trotz seems like a GM who can be taken advantage of at least on younger players.
Anaheim says they are ready to spend and has the most incompetent PP in the league so maybe there.
Unfortunately, the 2 biggest and easiest destinations (desirable contenders in need of an OFD and PPQB) made their big moves already in Dallas and Florida for Rantanen and Seth Jones already.
A trade like the Seth Jones deal with Dougie for Knight+1st would have been a great move this offseason (and one I even mentioned as a suggestion back before that deal was made)
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Meier, Hischier 'want more' for Devils ahead of projected changes | NHL.com
New Jersey has 8 pending UFAs, GM said 1st-round loss 'wasn't good enough'
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Ill take a 7th round pick, no one is giving Rossi for Dougie Hamilton
Just dump him and be d one with it
Yes, you are a prime example of the large group of people who underrates the value of stars who's contracts don't live up to the likes of the league's best who signed deals when they were 22.
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Hamilton was lowkey still injured when he came back. He was effective before - I still think he's at least 90% the guy which is ... a really good guy to have. So he should fetch more than a 7th rounder and shouldn't cost anything to trade... it should be something decent IMO
It may depend upon his trade list. I expect he will only list teams that either won’t trade for him like Calgary or Boston or teams that won’t have any real interest like Anaheim or teams with no cap. Hard to see him wanting to leave.
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5 on 4 points
Points / 60
Luke - 8.08
Dougie - 4.37
xGoals / 60
Dougie - 1.47
Luke - 0.56
The other issue is when you miss 3/4 or 1/4 of the season, those per 60 numbers become a bit less impressive since you aren't on the ice to actually produce those numbers.
At 180 minutes which is about what Dougie played on the PP, his xG is less than 3 over Luke while his total points doesn't reach Luke's even with the additional time.
One is becoming a huge injury risk given his age and last two seasons while the other is only 21 and will realistically improve.
Luke will do just fine as the PP1 QB, especially considering our PP's effectiveness is build on lots of movement to open up lanes.
This conversation is extremely silly since keeping Dougie around because he is 3 xGoals above Luke on the PP is a little ridiculous for $9M when the team has other needs.
