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The only somewhat justifiable way you can run back next year with Dougie is if you can get off of Palat and good luck with that one. You can’t get off of Palat then at best you’re running back basically the same exact team with Gritsyuk inserted and then hopefully Haula upgraded. Might as well throw in the towel already.
Dougie Hamilton was +12 5v5 and led a 28+% power play I genuinely want to know what more you expect from him?
 
The only somewhat justifiable way you can run back next year with Dougie is if you can get off of Palat and good luck with that one. You can’t get off of Palat then at best you’re running back basically the same exact team with Gritsyuk inserted and then hopefully Haula upgraded. Might as well throw in the towel already.

Healthy Jack and a 3C upgrade keeps us ahead of the Rags and Jackets and gives us a team that can beat Washington and Carolina in the playoffs to make the ECF.

So im not sure what towel is being thrown
 
Healthy Jack and a 3C upgrade keeps us ahead of the Rags and Jackets and gives us a team that can beat Washington and Carolina in the playoffs to make the ECF.

So im not sure what towel is being thrown
No we must trade the dman who had the best 5v5 goal differential on the team while leading our PP1 to 28% away for scraps.
 
Healthy Jack and a 3C upgrade keeps us ahead of the Rags and Jackets and gives us a team that can beat Washington and Carolina in the playoffs to make the ECF.

So im not sure what towel is being thrown

I’m not going to believe running back the team that sucked for over half a year with marginal upgrades is winning a Cup. 3 years after 22-23 running back a team that sucked for over half a year is throwing in the towel. Fitz himself said they weren’t good enough. Marginal changes will not make them good enough.

Also continuing to block Casey/Nemec for a 9 mil 3rd pair PP specialist when you have some of the worst depth forwards in the league is completely asinine. Moronic team building
 
I’m not going to believe running back the team that sucked for over half a year with marginal upgrades is winning a Cup. 3 years after 22-23 running back a team that sucked for over half a year is throwing in the towel. Fitz himself said they weren’t good enough. Marginal changes will not make them good enough.

Also continuing to block Casey/Nemec for a 9 mil 3rd pair PP specialist when you have some of the worst depth forwards in the league is completely asinine. Moronic team building
Not to mention hes slowing down and only trending down. If we could get rid of the cap, when we have replacement's on ELC (even if they cant be a 100% replacement) is good for our cap
 
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I’m not going to believe running back the team that sucked for over half a year with marginal upgrades is winning a Cup. 3 years after 22-23 running back a team that sucked for over half a year is throwing in the towel. Fitz himself said they weren’t good enough. Marginal changes will not make them good enough.

Also continuing to block Casey/Nemec for a 9 mil 3rd pair PP specialist when you have some of the worst depth forwards in the league is completely asinine. Moronic team building

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Here are the 5v5 GF/GA numbers after december 1st.

Guess who the +15 guy is.
 
The only somewhat justifiable way you can run back next year with Dougie is if you can get off of Palat and good luck with that one. You can’t get off of Palat then at best you’re running back basically the same exact team with Gritsyuk inserted and then hopefully Haula upgraded. Might as well throw in the towel already.
Luke playing like he did in the first half of the year would transform the team. Nemec being what he was in the playoffs changes things as well.

This is still all premature, I’m expecting the forward group to look pretty different.
 
I don't think Dougie is going anywhere until next offseason anyway. You're going to have a hard time getting anybody to take him for 3 more years. The cap floor for 2026-27 is projected at almost 77 million, with a floor the following season at almost 84 million. I think you can convince somebody who needs to add cap in that situation to take the last 2 years of his contract.
Yeah, I just don't buy this at all, tbh.

I think Dougie will have a market if he's on the market.

The return won't be great, but I refuse to believe that there's not a PK Subban to the devils kind of deal out there for him.
 
Luke playing like he did in the first half of the year would transform the team. Nemec being what he was in the playoffs changes things as well.

This is still all premature, I’m expecting the forward group to look pretty different.
Luke avoiding all blame for the teams failure and it somehow being placed onto Dougie (who was +15 after the start of december 5v5, by far the best on the team) is wild
 
A huge source of the issues with the team was their 3C was Haula who was barely a replacement level player all season.

His advanced stats stunk, he went a huge chunk of the season without registering a point.

If Fitz does only one thing all offseason, it has to at least be upgrading the 3C position.

Haula and a second for Pageau.

The Islanders get someone to eat Pageau's minutes this year and then maybe they can flip Haula at the deadline for a little something something.
 
Someone please explain how the teams collapse was in any way Hamilton's fault?

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Luke avoiding all blame for the teams failure and it somehow being placed onto Dougie (who was +15 after the start of december 5v5, by far the best on the team) is wild

The reality is that when the Devils were going at their best, Hamilton was being used as a 3rd pairing D and PP1 guy, and the Devils need to spend their money wiser than that, even if Hamilton was crushing those minutes. When they had no injuries anywhere on the roster, it worked out great, but once any forwards started to falter, the cracks showed.

In a world where Luke's last name is not Hughes, the Devils could look into moving him for help up front and keeping Hamilton. But that's not the world we live in.
 
Not to mention hes slowing down and only trending down. If we could get rid of the cap, when we have replacement's on ELC (even if they cant be a 100% replacement) is good for our cap

Getting Dougie out this offseason is definitely the preferred move, but it might not be doable with 3 years and his NTC blocking the way.

There is a real possibility they cant get Palat and Dougie off the books until the 2026 offseason.

We also dont know when Kovacevic is going to be ready to play. Opening night one of Casey and Nemec will be in the lineup and if Dougie moves it will be both of them which might not be ideal
 
I don’t even know if you’d be able to pawn him off onto a team looking to hit the floor. He has a 10 team trade list. Idk if he’s putting bottom feeders on that list.
It wouldn't be easy, but it'd be more likely than trying to do it this summer. Plus I've seen enough teams find ways to get rid of contracts that I'm not going to say it can't be done. Although I honestly question if Fitz has the ruthlessness to do it.
 
It wouldn't be easy, but it'd be more likely than trying to do it this summer. Plus I've seen enough teams find ways to get rid of contracts that I'm not going to say it can't be done. Although I honestly question if Fitz has the ruthlessness to do it.

That offseason feels like the one to go legit all in and push all the chips forward. Cap going up. Haula will 100% be gone, Palat and Dougie should be movable.

Still have a year of Nico on his current contract and Canucks might feel desperate to move Quinn
 
And yet you aren't clamouring to ship out Siegenthaler.

This sort of sophistry is - I can't even articulate how it makes me feel. Siegenthaler makes little more than a 1/3rd of what Hamilton makes. He wasn't expected to return in the first round, whereas Hamilton's timetable was returning in the first round.

There's no chance of the Devils allocating Siegenthaler's money better because there's nobody on the left side who is ready for the NHL.
 
The reality is that when the Devils were going at their best, Hamilton was being used as a 3rd pairing D and PP1 guy, and the Devils need to spend their money wiser than that, even if Hamilton was crushing those minutes. When they had no injuries anywhere on the roster, it worked out great, but once any forwards started to falter, the cracks showed.

In a world where Luke's last name is not Hughes, the Devils could look into moving him for help up front and keeping Hamilton. But that's not the world we live in.
So the devils were able to be elite with Dougie Hamilton making 9 mill and playing a small role? Sounds like we can keep him no problem.

Dougie was still very good in the beginning of the season, but was outshadowed by other dman playing at a high level.

Then, those dmen stopped playing well, Dougie continued to play well, and the team faltered.

And so, why is the solution to ship out the dman WHO CONTINUED TO PLAY WELL??

Dougie Hamilton's play did not drop off. We had a group around him that shined for about 35 games and made him look worse in comparison. Dougie meanwhile stayed steady all year, like he has for a decade now.
 
He can't comment on it because it could be considered tampering. No need to go down that path.
Sorry, I thought someone who has one most difficult to get jobs in the world would have had a better prepared response to the one obvious question he was going to receive instead of stammering on. Pretty bad preparation feels like a fair complaint.
 
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Our team speed has really taken a hit the last couple of years. Looked at the NHL edge data for our series and it seemed like our top speed was recorded by 14. Keefe did talk about his speed during the series. His top speed was top 5% in the league. Sprong hung up an ugly number in his only game
 
Not to mention Luke can reasonably pickup most of the offensive slack with more O Zone starts + PP Time and I think Casey can take the step.

No need to Dougie tbh
Luke has not earned that trust after frankly a disastrous second half of the year.

Casey has not earned that trust. He hasn't shown yet to be an NHL dman.

Nemec has not earned that trust after a disastrous season this year (and as a PP2 QB last year)
 

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