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Palat is fine if he legit moves his feet, he was one of the better guys up front (not saying much regardless) but if he moved like that in the regular season and wasn't an anchor playing with our 2 superstars then I'd be more fine with it.

Dougie is the one who has TO GO
 
From what I can gather Baie-Comeau was eliminated from the QMJHL playoffs.

"elite
prospects" lists Matyas Melovsky as playing for Uitca in '25-26, but as we all know he has not been signed. Does anyone have any further information to clear this up?
 
They have ~$82 mill committed for 25-26 right now, with Luke needing a contract. The cap is supposed to be $95.5 mill from estimates. If you dump Hamilton somehow, Luke basically replaces Hamilton's money, give or take.

That leaves ~$13-14 mill to find a backup goalie and fill out the bottom 6, which isnt that crazy. Grits takes one of those spots and he is cheap.
 
From what I can gather Baie-Comeau was eliminated from the QMJHL playoffs.

"elite
prospects" lists Matyas Melovsky as playing for Uitca in '25-26, but as we all know he has not been signed. Does anyone have any further information to clear this up?

he was signed to an AHL contract a few weeks ago for 25-26

 
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Ty Smith wasn’t his draft pick and Marino didn’t have a NTC iirc

I could definitely see your scenario playing out but the NTC with the contract makes it harder than we want to believe with Dougie, especially since he wasn’t exactly a hot ticket among GM’s when actually a FA

Teams like Nashville, Florida, Tampa, Buffalo (Ruff and lack of RHD) might be appealing to him for one reason or another and could make good trade partners. If any are not on the list of teams he would go to maybe he would have change of heart if approached. I think Casey and a 2nd is a solid offer also for scoring.
 
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Dougie needs to be traded, but I'd feel just awful if he got sent to Buffalo. On the other hand, I'd argue that signing him gave the Devils that experienced guy in the locker room that got them to that next level, so maybe he gets the Sabres to that level as well. And they've got some nice pieces.
 
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Dougie needs to be traded, but I'd feel just awful if he got sent to Buffalo. On the other hand, I'd argue that signing him gave the Devils that experienced guy in the locker room that got them to that next level, so maybe he gets the Sabres to that level as well. And they've got some nice pieces.

In partuclar Alex Tuch. I can dream :)
 
What leverage are you using to make Palat give up millions of dollars for no reason other than his good will?

I want fresh eyes on this team. I don’t think Fitz has it in him to give Palat or Haula the boot. These were his guys, by the way. We’ll see.
 
he was signed to an AHL contract a few weeks ago for 25-26

Yeah I had him signed as well, but why does "elite prospects" have him unsigned. So, "elite prospects" lists him as unsigned because the Comets signed him to an AHL deal and he didn't sign an NHL contract.

I find this interesting since Squires just signed an ELC with NJ.
Add Filmon into this picture who was signed by the Devils before the 24-25 season. His 1st season after he signed was 12 pointless games with the Comets in which he looked lost and 36 Pts with ECHL Adirondack in 65GP. Not exactly a success story at the moment. 2 years left on his ELC.

Melovsky 26G/57A/83Pts 57GP
Squires 24G/51A/75Pts 58GP
Filmon 27G/40A/67PTS 65GP

When comparing the 3 Matyas had a better final JR season than either of the other 2. More important is that Matyas is a Center, a much more needed position by the Devils entire organization. He seems to be considered a lower likelihood of success than the other 2. Is the fact that he is a year older reason to lower his chances? He'll be paid less than the other 2 prospects.

Another who was signed to a NJ contract out of college last season, Dylan Wendt, is also making more than Matayas will make and he too hasn't lit any kind of lamp towards the Devils.

These guys are all examples of the poor prospect acquirements the Devils have brought in.

Others forward flops were Arne Talvitie, Graeme Clarke, Tyce Thompson, Chase Stillman. You want to talk bleak after '21-22 no NJ drafted forward prospect who ended up in Utica was worth a damn! A couple undrafted free agent acquisitions have been good AHL players, but still lack any real threat of becoming a Devil, Brian Halonen and Xavier Parent. It has been a real challenge to get excited over the forwards NJ management has put in Utica since 20221-22.

The verdict is still out for '25-26, but with the number of guys already under contract it's not easy to see how they can do too much. There are already 15 signed not counting what they intend to do with Nolan Foote and Justin Dowling.

McLaughlin, Gambardella, and Laberge are also still unaccounted for. Gambo wore an "A", Laberge just finished a NJ contract, and McLaughlin is a UFA.

Of the 15 already signed Schmelzer, Malone, and Melovsky are centers. Only Schmelzer has a NJ contract. Schmelzer was the team's highest scorer for the 2nd straight season. He has been the team Captain for all 4 seasons that NJ has been the team's parent club. I love the guy, but he would be the #3 guy on most good AHL teams. I have no reason to want him gone, but just moved down from the #1 spot he has tried so hard to fill.

I see Dowling re-signed and he'd be best suited at #2, Schmelzer at #3, and it's between Malone and Melovsky for #4 and #1 is unaccounted for.

IF NJ offers McLaughlin a contract he moves into the mix. He was nothing to write home about in his 16 games played after his acquisition at the TDL, 6 assists. Probably better than Malone.

Dowling was the best they had and he played 52 games for NJ and only 7 for the Comets. He amassed 4Pts for the Comets in those 6GP, but only 7 for NJ in his 57GP. He's an AHL player who can survive in the NHL but the Devils need more than a survivor if they call a center up. We discuss this and he doesn't even have a contract as we speak.

Arguing over which of these guys plays on gamenight is ridiculous. The team was terrible and the center spot was abysmal after Schmelzer. CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE TO BE MADE TO UPGRADE THAT DAMNED POSITION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those upgrades are just as necessary for NJ as they are for Utica!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I’m sure I missed a lot of the discourse yesterday, but I just got to watch the Fitz/Keefe end of season presser and I have to ask - how did Fitz not have a better answer about Quinn? He could be absolutely sure that question was coming and his level of discomfort answering has me…concerned.
 
I want fresh eyes on this team. I don’t think Fitz has it in him to give Palat or Haula the boot. These were his guys, by the way. We’ll see.
That doesn’t answer the question at all.

How does anyone get Palat to willingly agree to forgo millions of dollars and agree to terminate his contract?
 
I still cannot figure out how any knowledgeable hockey fan would complain about trading for Brian Dumoulin if your a buying team. I don't care about a 2nd round pick! Most of the extra picks certain rounds are acquired to be used for trades anyway.

Especially considering that EVERY defenseman on the roster was injured to some extent this season. Some played through it. Some missed time.

In my opinion it's a PRIORITY, a necessity and a focus this offseason to lock up Dumo for that reason alone. With a straight face I'll say I don't care..if he is 50 gears old! If you are still effective in the league wgaf. He played 80 games last season. He blocks shots. Plays over 20 minutes a game (sometimes 30-35), is a rock solid dman in front of the crease and clears pucks out.

For Anaheim, or San Jose, Or Buffalo his value is low. For a playoff team he has value.

I don't see HOW you don't sign him.

Because we (at the time) seemed to have depth on Defense and had glaring, scary, catastrophic lack of depth on two lines - the entire bottom 6 was suspect. And our depth in the minors on forward, and our reserve list, was poor and the only interesting ones couldn't play until next year.

I'd love to lock up Dumo -- but that might be hard because...

I don’t care about the second round pick but throwing in one of our better forward prospects made it an overpay for a desperation rental only designed to keep us in the playoffs. And I’d love to keep Dumo but….how? The six man defense includes (via Puckpedia):

Dougie - signed for three years at $9 million per, full NMC

Pesce - signed for four years at $5.5 million per, full NTC

Siegs - signed for three years at $3.4 million per, partial NTC

Kovacevic - signed for four years at $4 million per, full NTC

Dillon - signed for two years at $4 million per, full NTC

Luke will need a new deal soon AND you have the Nemec situation, you basically have to get rid of two guys to sign Dumo

I care about the 2nd round pick because having 3 of them meant we could really wheel and deal in this offseason. They're valuable. Not firsts, but they're better than most. Looking at hockeydb there's a much higher number of 2nd rounders making it than any other round after and probably all rounds after combined. Yes, they're designed for trades, but make trades that help the team long term, not for a quarter of a season...

But this NTC, NMC, M-N*C stuff is a disaster. We can't resign Dumo with this, so we spent a princely sum for 24 games. Buttttttt I also agree with the notion that with how things shook out we may not even have made the playoffs without him, since we barely made it - 91 points was tied with Montreal for last in, so one game the other way might've pushed us out.

It seems a little odd how often the board, at the same time, can have people lamenting Fitz poor draft record while having others kvetch about the players taken in later rounds that the Devils traded away.

Either Fitz is finding hidden gems or those guys don’t really matter in the grand scheme.

NJDevs26 said both things can exist...

Agree to disagree in this case. The things in this case are opposites of each other so they can’t exist together.

Either Fitz is a crappy drafter or he’s trading away valuable guys he found in later rounds. If he’s finding multiple valuable guys in later rounds then he’s not a crappy drafter.

I think what you're not understanding is that when we talk about certain things I think we assume you understand the greater context. We don't need to write paragraphs to lament the wasteland that has been our first and second rounds lately. Rounds 3-7 are difficult to hit in - we do want to hit here with a reasonable frequency but nobody is expecting more than 50%.

We're talking about Holtz and Stillman and such. And it is curious that Traff seemed to get some attention as a potential 3rd round find and we trade him away for a rental we have zero chance to keep without some cap and contract magic. There the problem is two fold - it's our absolute dearth of forwards in the reserve list, and the rare later pick that was worth keeping is gone months post draft.

The whiffs on the Stillman pick, the Holtz pick, and even Nemec instead of Cooley really changed what could have been happening on this roster right now. And it's not like it was voodoo because our own draft posters who are just fans with some expertise and experience but not professionals were clamoring for guys like Jarvis and Rossi and Stankoven and Cooley. The first two rounds are critical for team building.
 
We don't need to write paragraphs to lament the wasteland that has been our first and second rounds lately.
The latest first and second round picks are:

Silayev, Yegerov, Hameenaho, Nemec, and Casey.

For me, that looks like a strong bunch at the moment.
Rounds 3-7 are difficult to hit in - we do want to hit here with a reasonable frequency but nobody is expecting more than 50%.
50% is insanity for rounds 3-7. If you’re getting 1 worthwhile player every 2 years out of those rounds, you’re doing pretty well.
We're talking about Holtz and Stillman and such
That’s 4 and 5 years ago. And includes a year where the Devils “gambled” on Luke Hughes and so far look smart for doing so.

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I’ll continue to think it’s incongruous to fret that Fitz can’t draft and also fret about the strong prospects traded away from later rounds.
 
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I’m sure I missed a lot of the discourse yesterday, but I just got to watch the Fitz/Keefe end of season presser and I have to ask - how did Fitz not have a better answer about Quinn? He could be absolutely sure that question was coming and his level of discomfort answering has me…concerned.

He can't comment on it because it could be considered tampering. No need to go down that path.
 
Like someone mentioned earlier. We need a solid defensive 3C that is good at faceoffs so we can give Nico a breather and not deploy have him in every single situation holy shit.

Sorry Trav you were born 10 years too soon. Imagine having him on this team now.
 
The problem with Palat is he was dreadful away from Jack or Nico. You can't play him down the lineup so he is forced to a top 6 role. But to be honest I think both he and Haula are back. What about signing Claude Giroux to a one a year deal?

Palat-Hughes-Bratt
Meier-Hischier-Giroux
Gritsyuk-(Mercer traded for 3C) - Noesen
Cotter-Glass-Haula

Then you have 4 legit centers and 2 that can fill in if injuries (Giroux/Haula)
 
They have ~$82 mill committed for 25-26 right now, with Luke needing a contract. The cap is supposed to be $95.5 mill from estimates. If you dump Hamilton somehow, Luke basically replaces Hamilton's money, give or take.

That leaves ~$13-14 mill to find a backup goalie and fill out the bottom 6, which isnt that crazy. Grits takes one of those spots and he is cheap.
A bottom 6 that expensive likely just leaves you with a LOT of regret in about 2 years time.

(especially since you're trying to do it all in 1 offseason, where there is a big cap raise and not many good UFAs). In fact, it feels exactly like how you end up with another Palat.
 

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