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RobertCalifornia said:
Are you just messing around or are you actually that out of touch with the league that you think Forsberg is a UFA? and if you are that out of touch, what makes you think your opinion on Forsberg should be valued at all?
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I thought we were talking about him because he's a UFA. A trade for him would actually be worse.
 
Zajacs Bowl Cut said:
Bratt had shoulder surgery, so it could very well be that he wasn't shooting as much because it was bothering him.
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Could be but it sounds like he’s been dealing with it for multiple years.

Could also be they didn’t really generate as many shots as a team as they done in years past.

I think one of his flaws is that he’s sometimes isn’t as selfish as he should be
 
Zajacs Bowl Cut said:
Bratt had shoulder surgery, so it could very well be that he wasn't shooting as much because it was bothering him.
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Bratt’s shots per 60 at both even strength and PP were down pretty significantly.

The last few years he’s basically a 8.5-9 shots per 60 guy at even strength and this year he was only 6.8.

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Some of that is him just missing the net more this year.

His shot attempted the last 4 years are 324, 381, 448, and 391.

In the past 3 seasons 61, 56, and 55% of his attempted shots hit the net. This year only 46% of his attempted shots hit the net.

If he was back at 55% then he would have 35 more shots on goal this year and 3-4 more goals.

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So I think he is shooting slightly less but not to a big degree. His missing the net so much is the bigger culprit and probably just a seasonal aberration.
 
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Better Call Sal said:
I don't think your point is wrong necessarily, but we finished 20th in scoring on the season and it's clear that at a certain point this year when goal scoring dried up, it wasn't going to come from anyone but the top guys. The inconsistencies piled up, especially in the 2nd half of the year. I know saying Bratt doesn't score enough goals is your most recent MO, but he produced enough points to finish 15th in the league in scoring. I think he is warranted a pass. I have hope that Timo's finishing will improve because he is able to generate chances at a significant clip, and I have a hard time believing he can have another stretch of shooting 2% over a 20 game stretch again the way he did this year.

Do I have the same faith in Noesen to maintain his 1st half pace? Or is he closer to his 2nd half? I love the guy, but Noesen had 16 goals and 27 points in the first 40 games of the season. He had 6 goals and 14 points in the final 38. I'd like to hope Haula's bad stretch midyear was all injury related as mentioned before, but can we really be sure?

Mercer's production has decreased and become inconsistent the past two seasons. He has stretches where it clicks, and then longer stretches when it doesn't. He started the year with 2 goals and 3 points in his first 11. Then has back to back multipoint nights. Followed by 7 goals and 14 points in 36 games.

Cotter scored 7 goals and 12 points in his first 19 games. He finished with 9 goals and 1 assist in the final 60. Palat had to essentially be stapled to Jack and Bratt to be halfway productive offensively. Of course getting Jack back will help, but if you don't think a reinforcement or two scoring wise would be beneficial, I don't know what you think we need to do for this roster to improve then.

Not to mention we just finished a playoff series where the majority of the goals scored were involving our three main guys left, Nico, Bratt and Timo. It was quite evident there was no offensive punch if one of those three wasn't out there on the ice until Game 5. And even with that said, it wasn't coming from our bottom 6 forward group at all.

We scored 11 goals in 5 games. Only 3 of them did not involve Nico, Bratt or Timo. All Carolina had to do in this series was focus their attention on our top two lines. Our bottom 6 was not going to do any damage on their own.
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You're completely ignoring the long goalless streaks from Timo, months in fact, and Bratt as well....you wrote 6 paragraphs and made believe that didn't happen but ultra-critiqued guys who largely played lessor roles while producing in the same general neighborhood of Bratt's 21 goals.... Timo was that bad as well until March.

You're making believe that the drought came from "just" secondary scoring, it absolutely didn't .... Timo literally went two months without a single goal


In the playoffs nobody really produced away from Nico.

Here are All the playoff goals.

Nico from Bratt and Pesce
Bratt from Haula and Hamilton
Nico from Meier and Palat
Mercer from Bratt
Nemec unassisted
Nico from Palat Meier
Meier unassisted
Mercer from Pesce
Meier from Pesce
Noesen from Nemec and Hamilton
Nico from Cotter and Noesen

Nico was on ice for 6 of 11 goals for....so was Pesce

Bratt on ice for 3 at least one was with Nico and Timo on ice for 4, I believe all with Nico...

We had Pesce and Nico producing and pretty much that was it in the playoffs.
 
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I think it is fair to hold guys like Mercer and Haula and Tatar and Bastian and lazar accountable for goal scoring. If those 5 guys collectively scored 10 more goals this season we are right there with Florida for goals for this season. Meier did well to recover and get his 26 but he had a stretch where he wasn’t scoring and could have had 4-5 goals. There’s no one player that will fix a mediocre scoring team and make them great, but if everyone ups their game just a little it becomes a pretty easy accomplishment.
 
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JimEIV said:
You're completely ignoring the long goalless streaks from Timo, months in fact, and Bratt as well....you wrote 6 paragraphs and made believe that didn't happen but ultra-critiqued guys who largely played lessor roles while producing in the same general neighborhood of Bratt's 21 goals.... Timo was that bad as well until March.
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" I know saying Bratt doesn't score enough goals is your most recent MO, but he produced enough points to finish 15th in the league in scoring. I think he is warranted a pass. I have hope that Timo's finishing will improve because he is able to generate chances at a significant clip, and I have a hard time believing he can have another stretch of shooting 2% over a 20 game stretch again the way he did this year."

This was in the very first paragraph I wrote. I didn't ignore anything. :laugh:

And my question towards the end still stands, how do you look at improving this roster if you think that what we have offensively is enough?
 
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Better Call Sal said:
" I know saying Bratt doesn't score enough goals is your most recent MO, but he produced enough points to finish 15th in the league in scoring. I think he is warranted a pass. I have hope that Timo's finishing will improve because he is able to generate chances at a significant clip, and I have a hard time believing he can have another stretch of shooting 2% over a 20 game stretch again the way he did this year."

This was in the very first paragraph I wrote. I didn't ignore anything. :laugh:
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Right you have excuses for the top 6 players but want to critique the bottom 6 players with microscope.

One is "bad luck" and "but scores a lot of points"

And the other is look how these guys failed us by not being able score equally throughout the season.

You have a clear double standard. And in my view the stars should be the ones that are more consistent throughout the season not secondary guys.
 
NJDevs26 said:
Again who really cares whether a winger has goals or assists, he's still contributing to the scoring more than like 90% of the league - and don't even say secondary assists since Bratt has among the most primary helpers in the league.

Even in a world where you had 5-7 more goals from Bratt and the same amount of assists the Devils would still be middle of the pack offensively and without their biggest scorer and best transition guy on the blueline in the playoffs. Yes, clearly we need more from him in the playoffs but it probably wouldn't have even mattered this year anyway with all the other issues, plus you do wonder if that shoulder was getting worse and that's why he reverted back to being a perimeter player and got more invisible throughout the series.
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I agree with you. His assists led to goals. 100%. I was just saying, Nico led the team in scoring. The arguement about Bratt is ridiculous. He is an elite forward. His assists are as important as the goals that resulted from them.
 
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JimEIV said:
Right you have excuses for the top 6 players but want to critique the bottom 6 players with microscope.

One is "bad luck" and "but scores a lot of points"

And the other is look how these guys failed us by not being able score equally throughout the season.

You have a clear double standard. And in my view the stars should be the ones that are more consistent throughout the season not secondary guys.
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I don't have a double standard at all. Jesper Bratt produced over a point per game and finished 15th in the league in points. Sure, I would like him to score more than 21 goals possibly because he likes to defer the puck pretty often, but if he is going to be top 5 in the league in assists, I'd say he's doing something right in terms of generating offense.

I pointed out that I have a hard time seeing Timo shoot 2% over 20 games again, which was 1 goal over that span. I say that because he does quite a lot at even strength that should lead to generating more offense. I have said in plenty of thread over the postseason that the pucks need to go in, but I can't complain about what he is doing from a process stance. On the flip side, I do have a hard time seeing someone like Dawson get to a 50 point level again if he continues his current trajectory. And that's fine. Maybe that's just what he is.

What I don't understand is how anyone can say that solely more from these guys will be the decisive factor when you had forwards for even longer parts of the season be less productive than these two were. What harm would bringing in a reinforcement or two bring?
 
Oneiro said:
The only relevant fact is that no contending team has less points from their bottom six than us.

This stupidity about Bratt is a total non discussion.
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That's because we used bottom 6 players as top 6 players most of the year in Noesen, Palat and Mercer at various points.

It is pretty stupid our #1 RW had 12 5v5 goals this season.
 
JimEIV said:
That's because we used bottom 6 players as top 6 players most of the year in Noesen, Palat and Mercer at various points.

It is pretty stupid our #1 RW had 12 5v5 goals this season.
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Ah, you admit it after all? :) :sarcasm:

So don't we think that means that we should bring in scoring reinforcements? That seems to be what we're talking about here, aren't we?
 
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Bratt discourse again?

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Better Call Sal said:
Ah, you admit it after all? :) :sarcasm:

So don't we think that means that we should bring in scoring reinforcements? That seems to be what we're talking about here, aren't we?
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Yeah of course we need more scoring but let's be honestly about it....we need scoring reinforcements because our core is insufficient.
 
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Oneiro said:
The only relevant fact is that no contending team has less points from their bottom six than us.

This stupidity about Bratt is a total non discussion.
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Because our bottom six players were playing in the top six for good chunks of the year, hence not having enough depth which everyone aside from one poster agrees on, or says we need depth cause the stars aren’t McDavid and Draisaitl lol
 
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glenwo2 said:
When someone says that a player leads the team in points, not scoring.....does that make any sense?

I thought scoring involved Points?

Am I taking crazy pills here?
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You're not taking crazy pills - scoring means points.

Kucherov lead the league in scoring. he had the most points. scoring does not mean goals , scoring means points
 
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