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Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason edition

"Jack...he's got that man body."

Words I wish I could un-hear.

Before the 2019 Draft, some NHL film crew asked me for my thoughts on who the Devils should take (had to sign a waiver for some reason). I think I blurted out something like "It's not about taking who is the best player right now. Kakko might be closer to a finished product today, I think Jack has more room to grow into his body."

As soon as they stopped filming, I joked that talking about a teenager growing into his body sounded better in my head and rather creepy saying it out loud. That drew a laugh from the crew.
 
I think this is an excuse and a bad take by Fitz.

And I kind of disagree completely.

Who is he calling depth scoring?

Noesen had 22 goals, Mercer had 19 goals, Cotter had 16 goals, Palat had 15 goals the most he's had as a Devil.... Haula had 11 maybe a little off from his high of 16 with us two years ago but really? Was Fitz expecting more from this group? BS.

Is he talking about Tatar with 7? Bastian with 4? Or Lazar with 2 in 48 games?
I don't think he's talking about the 4th liners? Would kind of be silly to.

Meier and Bratt and the injury to Jack are the short falls in the goal department Fitzy. Stop playing games and tell the truth.

I kinda read into that we needed more scoring from Bratt and Timo. I agree with you not really fair to call out the players you referenced, maybe except Haula.
 
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Naturally it’s going to be a different group

Grits already signed and most of the bottom 6 is ufa/rfa that probably not going to be back
 
Don’t fall for the depth scoring excuses. Fitz is being disingenuous in his comments about this. He saw Meier-Lazar-Mercer and followed that up in the following year with Meier-Dowling-Mercer. He is a con artist in a cheap blazer.
I doubt the blazer is cheap
 
His contract is not good. We don’t need another big contract that’s going to age horribly for a player in his 30s

His contract is not good?

He's a point per game, right shot forward that makes $8.5 million for the next 5 years.

The next 5 years are precisely in the thick of the Devils window, and this team lacks a right shooting, goal scoring forward. Filip Forsberg's contract brings him through his age 31-35 seasons. Players of his caliber tend to have a history of being very productive until they are around 35, the age at which his contract ends.

It's a good bet he will produce similar to the way he has recently for 4 out of the remaining 5 years of his deal. If you have to move an $8.5 mil contract with 1 year remaining at the end, there will be a way to do it.
 
His contract is not good?

He's a point per game, right shot forward that makes $8.5 million for the next 5 years.

The next 5 years are precisely in the thick of the Devils window, and this team lacks a right shooting, goal scoring forward. Filip Forsberg's contract brings him through his age 31-35 seasons. Players of his caliber tend to have a history of being very productive until they are around 35, the age at which his contract ends.

It's a good bet he will produce similar to the way he has recently for 4 out of the remaining 5 years of his deal. If you have to move an $8.5 mil contract with 1 year remaining at the end, there will be a way to do it.
That is complete bs. Players of his age have a horrible history of being productive or maintaining their production through that age period.

We’re taking the bad end of the deal. When he got signed it was with the hope that it would be well worth it in years 3-4/5 knowing that it’s very possible he’s declined and is overpaid by the final 3 years or so.

It is not remotely a good bet. It’s desperate and horrible bet.
 
Forsberg isn't a "no" from me. He's a "hellllllllllllll no." This is not the offseason to be making stupid contracts with free agents. In a few years we're going to see some truly regrettable deals play out. This is the reason why I'm fine with letting Jake Allen walk. Forsberg's deal will be several times worse.
 
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We did it folks! We even have a whole new Kovy, well kind of, hopefully he comes back ASAP.

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I kinda read into that we needed more scoring from Bratt and Timo. I agree with you not really fair to call out the players you referenced, maybe except Haula.
During the playoffs yes...during the regular season that only really applies to Timo. Not to mention having two healthy Hughes.
 
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I think this is an excuse and a bad take by Fitz.

And I kind of disagree completely.

Who is he calling depth scoring?

Noesen had 22 goals, Mercer had 19 goals, Cotter had 16 goals, Palat had 15 goals the most he's had as a Devil.... Haula had 11 maybe a little off from his high of 16 with us two years ago but really? Was Fitz expecting more from this group? BS.

Is he talking about Tatar with 7? Bastian with 4? Or Lazar with 2 in 48 games?
I don't think he's talking about the 4th liners? Would kind of be silly to.

Meier and Bratt and the injury to Jack are the short falls in the goal department Fitzy. Stop playing games and tell the truth.

I don't think your point is wrong necessarily, but we finished 20th in scoring on the season and it's clear that at a certain point this year when goal scoring dried up, it wasn't going to come from anyone but the top guys. The inconsistencies piled up, especially in the 2nd half of the year. I know saying Bratt doesn't score enough goals is your most recent MO, but he produced enough points to finish 15th in the league in scoring. I think he is warranted a pass. I have hope that Timo's finishing will improve because he is able to generate chances at a significant clip, and I have a hard time believing he can have another stretch of shooting 2% over a 20 game stretch again the way he did this year.

Do I have the same faith in Noesen to maintain his 1st half pace? Or is he closer to his 2nd half? I love the guy, but Noesen had 16 goals and 27 points in the first 40 games of the season. He had 6 goals and 14 points in the final 38. I'd like to hope Haula's bad stretch midyear was all injury related as mentioned before, but can we really be sure?

Mercer's production has decreased and become inconsistent the past two seasons. He has stretches where it clicks, and then longer stretches when it doesn't. He started the year with 2 goals and 3 points in his first 11. Then has back to back multipoint nights. Followed by 7 goals and 14 points in 36 games.

Cotter scored 7 goals and 12 points in his first 19 games. He finished with 9 goals and 1 assist in the final 60. Palat had to essentially be stapled to Jack and Bratt to be halfway productive offensively. Of course getting Jack back will help, but if you don't think a reinforcement or two scoring wise would be beneficial, I don't know what you think we need to do for this roster to improve then.

Not to mention we just finished a playoff series where the majority of the goals scored were involving our three main guys left, Nico, Bratt and Timo. It was quite evident there was no offensive punch if one of those three wasn't out there on the ice until Game 5. And even with that said, it wasn't coming from our bottom 6 forward group at all.

We scored 11 goals in 5 games. Only 3 of them did not involve Nico, Bratt or Timo. All Carolina had to do in this series was focus their attention on our top two lines. Our bottom 6 was not going to do any damage on their own.
 
Fitz did not sound optimistic about bringing Dumolin back
I mean with Dillon expected to be ready for camp there isn't even an open spot for him. There's only an open spot for Nemec temporarily cause of the Kovacevic injury but when you have four guys signed long-term and another (Luke) you hope is signed long term soon, along with a sixth signed for the next two years (Dillon)...you kind of already have to make a move to address the Nemec issue as it is, then it's less realistic to have two major changes in that group.
 
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Sprong is exactly w hat we should go for with our depth. Hes got tons of skill and speed, and if Keefe gets through to him to improve his defensive side - its perfect.

Plus we could use some more righty shots

Yeah on a team with limited cap space, Sprong seems like a guy worth taking a bit of a risk on
 
He led thw team in points. Not scoring.
Again who really cares whether a winger has goals or assists, he's still contributing to the scoring more than like 90% of the league - and don't even say secondary assists since Bratt has among the most primary helpers in the league.

Even in a world where you had 5-7 more goals from Bratt and the same amount of assists the Devils would still be middle of the pack offensively and without their biggest scorer and best transition guy on the blueline in the playoffs. Yes, clearly we need more from him in the playoffs but it probably wouldn't have even mattered this year anyway with all the other issues, plus you do wonder if that shoulder was getting worse and that's why he reverted back to being a perimeter player and got more invisible throughout the series.
 
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Forsberg isn't a "no" from me. He's a "hellllllllllllll no." This is not the offseason to be making stupid contracts with free agents. In a few years we're going to see some truly regrettable deals play out. This is the reason why I'm fine with letting Jake Allen walk. Forsberg's deal will be several times worse.

Are you just messing around or are you actually that out of touch with the league that you think Forsberg is a UFA? and if you are that out of touch, what makes you think your opinion on Forsberg should be valued at all?
 

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