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Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason edition

Here's a chart and a graph that shows what EVERY f***ING PERSON witnessed during the playoffs, congrats lmao.

lol, yeah, because you remember every shot and every chance that happened, right? Pretty easy to just store all that info in your head and then recall it immediately. Congrats on your perfect memory - of course, one would think you would've seen the term chance assists 50 times here and remembered what it means, but I guess you've got all those scoring chances up there - no room!
 
If Mercer stays as a 3rd line winger you're pretty much insuring Noesen is in your top 6 as the #2 RW behind Bratt..

I don't particularly think that's a good idea... it's not the end of the world but it pretty much locks in the top 5 of

Meier Nico Noesen
XXX Jack Bratt


I don't think Noesen belongs there and then you still need a LW for Jack..

Which is exactly the same as this past season and none of it really worked out all that well.
You can move Bratt to the left side and give Mercer a shot playing with them or try Gritsyuk. I don't see much cap space opening this offseason and I think they shuffle the deck chairs on the bottom six but having a healthy top six would make a bigger difference. The bigger opportunity will be after next season. At that point I think they can spin off Hamilton and Palat.
 
I just can't wait until we see what we gave up for Quinn Hughes in a couple months from now.

I'm hoping its:
One of Hamilton/Palat (Or both! 🤞)
One of Nemec/Casey
Dawson Mercer
2026 1st round pick
Why give up so many assets when they can wait until Quinn is a UFA in two seasons. They have two seasons to open up cap space to sign him.
 
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I’m a purist. I don’t know why we track anything but goals. Get rid of shots and assists and let the game be pure.
Stop :laugh: you guys are so silly with this stuff and no matter how mundane the metric it will never end.

I'm waiting for the player who opens the bench door quickly enough for changes the most stat and if that helps the team. It could make a huge difference when we have the long change on the opposite side of the ice. Shit that could mean the difference between a too many men penalty or our guys flying up ice to make a play.
 
imagine if we had given Mercer the longterm $6m/year (or whatever it was) contract that Jim whined about last year? whew boy.
Disaster averted. I won’t be sad if he’s dealt this summer. If he’s still on the team, he has plenty to work on in the offseason. I like the kid but I’ve run out of patience. The last two seasons are more indicative of what the player is than his sophomore year which was buoyed by a 10 game or so heater.
 
Stop :laugh: you guys are so silly with this stuff and no matter how mundane the metric it will never end.

I'm waiting for the player who opens the bench door quickly enough for changes the most stat and if that helps the team. It could make a huge difference when we have the long change on the opposite side of the ice. Shit that could mean the difference between a too many men penalty or our guys flying up ice to make a play.
Bring back the rover and get rid of the new fangled forward pass in the offensive zone! Hockey should stay hockey.
 
Stop :laugh: you guys are so silly with this stuff and no matter how mundane the metric it will never end.

I'm waiting for the player who opens the bench door quickly enough for changes the most stat and if that helps the team. It could make a huge difference when we have the long change on the opposite side of the ice. Shit that could mean the difference between a too many men penalty or our guys flying up ice to make a play.

They time pit stops in auto racing
 
I'm with you in that I think he absolutely has more that he can give. He hustles, he has scoring ability. There's no reason to me that he cannot be a complementary scoring piece. But I've said it too many times at this point; he's weaker on the puck than you'd like. He doesn't win enough battles. He doesn't drive the net as much as he should. He shot a little bit more this year, but I'd still like to see him try to put the puck on net more.

I think if he improves on even just one of these aspects, he likely has a better season than one of his last two. I want him to succeed, he's too damn likable.
Not that it's an excuse but I feel like he's been yo-yo'd around the lineup too. He doesn't ever really get consistent line mates.
 
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I know it's soft, intangible stuff, but we need a character change in the room.

If you can turn over the entire group of Palat, Haula, Tatar, Lazar, Mercer, and Bastian, over the next two seasons, you should. The first four are pretty close to done at this level of hockey and all of them provide close to zero emotional lift in games where you've got guys jawing at you and throwing cheapshots at your core players.

I get the case for keeping Mercer as a utility guy, but it might be best for both parties to make a change.
 
Right you have excuses for the top 6 players but want to critique the bottom 6 players with microscope.

One is "bad luck" and "but scores a lot of points"

And the other is look how these guys failed us by not being able score equally throughout the season.

You have a clear double standard. And in my view the stars should be the ones that are more consistent throughout the season not secondary guys.

You can keep saying the guy with 88 points is a disappointment who needs to be called out and people will keep on disagreeing with you because that’s a weird take.

88 points is the 7th most of all time for a Devil. Sorry if his season wasn’t perfect enough for you.

Complain about Meier all you want, he had 53 points and didn’t play on either of our special teams. It sucks paying 8.8m for that.
 
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Tried to come up with a list of some not on the radar lists (added some that were as well) for consideration. Its a mixed bag and by no means do I say they are available. Just throwing them out there (please no whining we cant/wont etc., its a hockey board):

Morgan Geekie- Bruins, RSC RFA at $2M, 17 min per game
Jack McBain--Mammoth LSC RFA at $1.6M 6th in Hits
Kevin Stenlund-Mammoth, RSC 1 left at $2M 5th in FO %
Faban Zetturland- Sens, RW RFA $1.45M 36 pts
Shane Pinto- Sens RSC 1 yr left at $3.75 37 pts
Ryan McLeod- Sabres, LSC, RFA $2.2M, 53 pts
JJ Peterka- Sabres, LW RFA $856K 68 pts


The lesser known guys are more interessting to me TBH, we need 3rd and 4th liners and the Utah guys I know nothing about other than reading up on the boards.
@DGibb you have a good feel for this expand on some of this along with the rest of you. Feel free to add your own names
 
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88 points is the 7th most of all time for a Devil. Sorry if his season wasn’t perfect enough for you.
Of our top 20 all time single season points leaders only 3 scored fewer than 30 goals and 2 of those 3 are Jesper Bratt.

The other was Aaron Broten in 1988 who collected assist from Verbeek and Muller who both had incredible years that year. That line scored 109 goals in 87-88. One line.... That's 46 more goals than Bratt, Jack and Palat produced this season.
 
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I’m a purist. I don’t know why we track anything but goals. Get rid of shots and assists and let the game be pure.

Its useful for hockey decision makers because they have more data to judge what players are actually doing on the ice beyond basic counting stats and who is contributing and who isnt.

In this case its pretty black and white numbers of who was generating offense and who wasn't and it pretty accurately lines up with the eye test.

Its good to have more data because if you just rely on goals and assists you could easily end up overvaluing someone who was simply on a good luck shooting bender and undervalue someone who generates a lot of o-zone time but simply isn't getting the bounces.
 
You can keep saying the guy with 88 points is a disappointment who needs to be called out and people will keep on disagreeing with you because that’s a weird take.

88 points is the 7th most of all time for a Devil. Sorry if his season wasn’t perfect enough for you.

Complain about Meier all you want, he had 53 points and didn’t play on either of our special teams. It sucks paying 8.8m for that.
An incredibly easy solution is just to put Meier on special teams lol
 
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Of our top 20 all time single season points leaders only 3 scored fewer than 30 goals and 2 of those 3 are Jesper Bratt.

The other was Aaron Broten in 1988 who collected assist from Verbeek and Muller who both had incredible years that year. That line scored 109 goals in 87-88. One line.

Yeah, 12 more goals and 100 points would have been even better. So what?

Also, in 1987-88 scoring league-wide was 3.71 G/PG, the 8th highest in the post-1967 NHL.

2024-25 was 30th with 3.01 G/PG.

If you go by Adjusted Points, Broten goes from 12th to 34th.
 

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