Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - draft and FA edition

[devilsblood]

if seth jones and trouba can get moved then i think dougie will be able to get moved, we just may have to retain and/or sweeten it

Chicago retained 25% of the contract for the next 5 years.

Trouba only had a 1.5 years to go.

Which is not to say I don't think Ham's can be moved. I just wonder what value teams around the league think about him.

 

[Bleedred]

This gets me every single time it's mentioned. Why does everyone keep saying Daws will be an awful backup goalie, isn't proven and won't be able to do it?

Take a look at his stats/start, they indicate he will be more than adequate backup goalie. His numbers only dip the more games in a row he has to play (his role this season it so be a backup goalie, not a starter! - the hope is he only needs to play one game here and there).

Look at his numbers based off off games in a stretch played (sorry not exactly sure how to word this), they look like:

1st game in a streak - 2.4 GAA - .911 SV% - above average
2nd game in a streak - 2.7 GAA - .900 SV% - basically Average
3rd game or more - -3.0 GAA - 0.86 SV% - Below average

I used Chat GPT for the stats so they may be rounded and not 100% accurate.
Also, his stat line all of last season (yes ONLY 5 games) was 1.6 GAA and .939 SV%. On top of his career starts, keep in mind, his first season he was basically thrown into the fire fresh off a hip surgery, used as a starter for the last half of the season.

Career 52 games... so I understand wanting another guy with more experience as a #3 (or competition for #2) just incase things don't work, but why does everyone think Daws CAN NOT do it?

These are rando cherry-picked stats. These are quite a stretch. Even funnier than Cory Schneider was a .920% from January 2019 through the end of world championships. Or Zacha’s final third for non-goalie stats.

We’re trying to rationalize Daws not being bad because the first and second games of a streak were good?

Weird.

People

 

[devilsblood]

This gets me every single time it's mentioned. Why does everyone keep saying Daws will be an awful backup goalie, isn't proven and won't be able to do it?

Take a look at his stats/start, they indicate he will be more than adequate backup goalie. His numbers only dip the more games in a row he has to play (his role this season it so be a backup goalie, not a starter! - the hope is he only needs to play one game here and there).

Look at his numbers based off off games in a stretch played (sorry not exactly sure how to word this), they look like:

1st game in a streak - 2.4 GAA - .911 SV% - above average
2nd game in a streak - 2.7 GAA - .900 SV% - basically Average
3rd game or more - -3.0 GAA - 0.86 SV% - Below average

I used Chat GPT for the stats so they may be rounded and not 100% accurate.
Also, his stat line all of last season (yes ONLY 5 games) was 1.6 GAA and .939 SV%. On top of his career starts, keep in mind, his first season he was basically thrown into the fire fresh off a hip surgery, used as a starter for the last half of the season.

Career 52 games... so I understand wanting another guy with more experience as a #3 (or competition for #2) just incase things don't work, but why does everyone think Daws CAN NOT do it?

I think the general thought is it is risky to have Daws in that spot, not that he is awful.

Obviously there are varying opinions. I had a debate a couple weeks ago and it seemed a lot of fans were ready to roll with Daws as the #2.

 

[Smitty426]

There remains a serious disconnect between what some folks think the Devs cap situation is vs reality. Maybe have $5m to add 2 top 9 players as is (yikes). They can't even afford a cheap vet/tweener backup for $2m+ (and one that would def be able to fill in for Markstrom would cost above that anyway). It has to be Daws considering the other holes on the roster. Then maybe a flier on someone cheap that is mighty inconsistent but has shown flashes....like an Akira Schmid. Is it ideal? No. But it is what it is. Plus, this would be a good time to figure out if Daws is NHL quality or not. If he falls on his face, figure it out during the season while Fitz is on his usual vacation.

Dan Vladar has been a name thrown around

 

[Hisch13r]

Their needs are a #2 RD and a 2 or 3C. If they value Mercer as a Center then

Hamilton
Mercer
26 1st
Casey

For

Kyrou?

That’s horrendous

 

[Hisch13r]

Who's giving us a 3rd for a slightly used, but proven winner, Andre Paloot

They can have our 3rd for all I care

 

[Hisch13r]

if seth jones and trouba can get moved then i think dougie will be able to get moved, we just may have to retain and/or sweeten it

He’s probably moveable but also those are 2 guys LOVED by the “hockey men” while Dougie’s always been hated.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

one of Seravalli's guys said Jake Allen wants at least 2 x $5 and yeahhhhhh see ya!

 

[NJDfan86]

Chicago retained 25% of the contract for the next 5 years.

Trouba only had a 1.5 years to go.

Which is not to say I don't think Ham's can be moved. I just wonder what value teams around the league think about him.

Obviously Dougie’s “value” around the league is lower than has cap hit, but he has a far lower actually salary for the remainder of his deal than his cap hit.

After the devils pay his bonus this year, his actual pay is around 15m for the next 3 years - obviously his cap hit makes contenders a non-starter but basement teams would surely love the high AAV/low actual dollar contract in a rising cap environment and he brings obvious value to a teams PP.

 

[Clam Jensen]

one of Seravalli's guys said Jake Allen wants at least 2 x $5 and yeahhhhhh see ya!

And some people here were saying they’d be shocked if he got more than 3/per

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Who's giving us a 3rd for a slightly used, but proven winner, Andre Paloot

Probably Trotz

 

[forceten]

Rolling with Nemec and Casey is fine to me because as Florida showed what matters is how you play in the spring not how you play in the fall

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Hayton+ for Douglas, yay or nay?

Saw a tweet on Devils twitter saying Utah has space and needs RD and their forwards should be the guys we target, I'd be down 100%.

 

[McDuffz88]

Fitz should be all over c*ck blocking Carolina and go trade for Hertle. He's exactly what we need. Not only do we get a top 6 C/insane 3rd line center but he's a big boy as well & has played with Meier. We can roll a line of Hertle & Meier by itself. At the same time we stop Carolina from getting better. Win win.

 

[Devils Trap]

Fitz should be all over c*ck blocking Carolina and go trade for Hertle. He's exactly what we need. Not only do we get a top 6 C/insane 3rd line center but he's a big boy as well & has played with Meier. We can roll a line of Hertle & Meier by itself. At the same time we stop Carolina from getting better. Win win.

I would be all over this, think Hertl would be a great find

 

[Brodeur]

Hayton+ for Douglas, yay or nay?

Saw a tweet on Devils twitter saying Utah has space and needs RD and their forwards should be the guys we target, I'd be down 100%.

Not sure I see a fit with Utah. They seem alright with Sergachev on PP1 and Durzi on PP2. Kesselring had a nice season absorbing unplanned minutes due to injuries from Durzi/Marino. They gave Durzi a relatively big extension about a year ago.

LHD: Sergachev-Maatta-Cole-Simashev (Valimaki on IR)
RHD: Marino-Durzi-Kesselring-Lamoureux

If anything they might have a surplus of RHD. I wondered if they might try to sell high on Kesselring to a team like Buffalo.

 

[thebeernerd]

Dan Vladar has been a name thrown around

I’d be fine with this, but the problem is the same as Allen: not many quality goalies to go around a weak free agent pool, which will mean an overpay.

 

[Bleedred]

I’d be fine with this, but the problem is the same as Allen: not many quality goalies to go around a weak free agent pool, which will mean an overpay.

Vladar is bad enough that I think we could probably get someone like him for cheap.

He’s been a below.900% goalie for three years in a row and for 3 of his 4 seasons (not including his 5 games in 20-21, which was also below .900% anyway) in the NHL.

And he’s also been outplayed by his goalie teammate by a significant margin more often than not.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Not sure I see a fit with Utah. They seem alright with Sergachev on PP1 and Durzi on PP2. Kesselring had a nice season absorbing unplanned minutes due to injuries from Durzi/Marino. They gave Durzi a relatively big extension about a year ago.

LHD: Sergachev-Maatta-Cole-Simashev (Valimaki on IR)
RHD: Marino-Durzi-Kesselring-Lamoureux

If anything they might have a surplus of RHD. I wondered if they might try to sell high on Kesselring to a team like Buffalo.

Hmm, yeah, that does seem like they're more into a LHD market. Dillon?

 

[Dylan9z9]

Dan Vladar has been a name thrown around

Dan Cloutier?

 

[Clam Jensen]

Hayton+ for Douglas, yay or nay?

Saw a tweet on Devils twitter saying Utah has space and needs RD and their forwards should be the guys we target, I'd be down 100%.

Would be the perfect 3C

 

[Comparison Ford]

Kypreos mentioned on Sportsnet article that FLA could move Evan Rodriguez to make room for UFAs. I'd like him on Nico's wing if possible. 2 years at 3 million.

would be a 10/10 trade if we could do it

 

[Ekiru]

This gets me every single time it's mentioned. Why does everyone keep saying Daws will be an awful backup goalie, isn't proven and won't be able to do it?

Take a look at his stats/start, they indicate he will be more than adequate backup goalie. His numbers only dip the more games in a row he has to play (his role this season it so be a backup goalie, not a starter! - the hope is he only needs to play one game here and there).

Look at his numbers based off off games in a stretch played (sorry not exactly sure how to word this), they look like:

1st game in a streak - 2.4 GAA - .911 SV% - above average
2nd game in a streak - 2.7 GAA - .900 SV% - basically Average
3rd game or more - -3.0 GAA - 0.86 SV% - Below average

I used Chat GPT for the stats so they may be rounded and not 100% accurate.
Also, his stat line all of last season (yes ONLY 5 games) was 1.6 GAA and .939 SV%. On top of his career starts, keep in mind, his first season he was basically thrown into the fire fresh off a hip surgery, used as a starter for the last half of the season.

Career 52 games... so I understand wanting another guy with more experience as a #3 (or competition for #2) just incase things don't work, but why does everyone think Daws CAN NOT do it?

Dont bother - that bleedred guy hates on every goalie in the league and pretends to be knowledgeable on the position

If he had it his way wed employ no goaltenders outside the top-5. He spent years hating on Bobrovsky and then lost his mind at the contract; guy just won B2B with what shoulda been a Conn Smythe

Not to mention the Devils have zero roster space in their system for any goaltender outside the organization; four are spready between ECHL and AHL already with two more on the way

Itll be Daws and all the know-it-alls will soil themselves because of it

 

[Ekiru]

Get ready for a fun offseason

LoL

 

[Emperoreddy]

We are just going to have to settle with a camp battle of Daws and a not so great vet. Going to be too expensive to keep Allen or get anyone properly proven for a backup role