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Can one of the cap gurus tell me how much the Devils save in cap space if we outright buyout Palat, is it half?

Esit: nevermind it is 3.53 mill this season as a cap hit.
 
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I don't think that will happen at all. Even with the cap rising. Glass is not productive enough offensively to warrant that type of raise.

It is entirely possible our 4th line next season is Cotter-Glass-Sprong. To be fair it's better then Tatar-Lazar-Bastian. In a perfect world Noesen is 4th line RW and Sprong is a reserve

3rd line needs work.
 
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I don't think that will happen at all. Even with the cap rising. Glass is not productive enough offensively to warrant that type of raise.
The Devils could not qualify Glass but could negotiate lower than his QO. His QO is 2.5 for two years, but could they negotiate for $2 million a year? Am I correct? Didn't the Devils do that with McLeod and Bastian?
 
The Devils could not qualify Glass but could negotiate lower than his QO. His QO is 2.5 for two years, but could they negotiate for $2 million a year? Am I correct? Didn't the Devils do that with McLeod and Bastian?

Glass probably gets 2 years. This gets him through year 1 as a UFA. 2.8 AAV is accurate I feel. 2 years 5.6 mill.
 
I'll throw my name in as one of the people saying "Glass should not start the season as 3C." If that's the case, then we clearly haven't solved the depth problem.

I'm not convinced at all that Mercer is on the trading block, and barring a significant deal he shouldn't be. If you're looking to improve that part of the roster, you keep him. I'm certainly not trading him in any deal involving another third-line player. He may even be the internal pick for 3C. I'm not sure how to feel about that but I do think he did better there last season than on the wings. I'm sure Keefe sees something more in him.
 
Can we possibly just..I don’t know..wait to see post FA and post draft to complain about the team complexion heading into next season?

Jesus H.

Fitz’s goal last off-season was to fix the D and goalie situation, and we ended up being one of the better defensive teams last year. He overlooked our depth issues that became so apparent when a series of injuries occurred.

Don’t give him credit for that.. that’s fine. But don’t pretend like Fitz isn’t gonna do everything possible to fix our depth issue this year.
 
Maybe Glass is happy with a one year prove it deal and is ok going to UFA if NJ doesn't qualify him? He can get that from someone and may even be able to choose a spot that sets him up nicely for the contract afterwards.

Idk it's not a no brainer for him to take a 2 year deal or even a one year deal in NJ if they are trying to talk him down from 2.5m aav. He may be willing to gamble.
 
Maybe Glass is happy with a one year prove it deal and is ok going to UFA if NJ doesn't qualify him? He can get that from someone and may even be able to choose a spot that sets him up nicely for the contract afterwards.

Idk it's not a no brainer for him to take a 2 year deal or even a one year deal in NJ if they are trying to talk him down from 2.5m aav. He may be willing to gamble.

I kind of doubt it, inasmuch as Glass has already been traded 3 times and even one good year in New Jersey in their top 9 wouldn't necessarily have people believing he was definitely a 3rd line center.

New Jersey may only be comfortable with a one-year deal, but I'd be surprised if Glass or his agent were pushing for that.
 
Can we possibly just..I don’t know..wait to see post FA and post draft to complain about the team complexion heading into next season?

Jesus H.

Fitz’s goal last off-season was to fix the D and goalie situation, and we ended up being one of the better defensive teams last year. He overlooked our depth issues that became so apparent when a series of injuries occurred.

Don’t give him credit for that.. that’s fine. But don’t pretend like Fitz isn’t gonna do everything possible to fix our depth issue this year.
I think it's fair to worry whether Fitz will do the proper moves to improve the forward depth. It's silly to think he's not going to do anything at all, though. The Haula trade is priming the pump for something else, whatever that may be.
 
Maybe this org just rarely deserves credit and is mostly incompetent? :laugh: Recent memory: I was happy with the Bahl and Kovacevic acquisitions. Liked the Bratt, Hughes, and Nico contracts. Toffoli made sense, but still no idea how they didn't get more at deadline that year. Meier also made sense, but was an overpay (happens). Dillion was okay, but the NMC with term extending this year didn't make much sense based on rest of contracts. Pesce was a player they needed and who I've always liked, but the contract is a ticking time bomb with the miles he has....and there is some truth to him being a Slavin merchant. Was fine with Keefe hire. Etc etc.

So I say positive stuff and abstain if I don't love a move but get the reasoning....this team just makes a disproportionate amount of stupid decisions and many folks on here blindly defend it obnoxiously and without logic. Then when definitively proven wrong, they learn nothing, and keep on doing the same thing with the next topic. I mean there are very frequent posters that have an incredible arrogance to them despite being wrong about 95% of things on this board for years or even a decade+. I'm envious of the lack of self-awareness tbh (generally speaking).
man, go read your post again, maybe turn it down a notch and people would be more willing to respond positive to your critics. calling a FO mostly incompetent and for others to have no logic sounds indeed arrogant and speaks to alack of self-awareness. i am usually on the same page with you, but nobody is always right and its easy to critize in the aftermath, we should not expect it from a GM and for sure not from ourself. i would never think, that i know better then these professionals and mistakes will be made.

in general, constantly complaining about things from the past and talking down our players isnt helping. in my opinion the Kova signing is fine and was needed, the NTCs are part of the business when you want to bring in guys, every teaam has them. your thinking of overpayment is just wrong, by definiton and especially in the current market environment. ypu are not always right either. Agree that bratt should be paired with nico and thats where you start, but thats just my opinion.

believe or not, as fans we have also have a certain responsibilty about how and what we post cause things here get read and partially flow into decisions that will be made. like lindy said, you guys put on an incredible amount of pressure. so more constructive posts about what should be done going forward would help, then see what happens. looking backwards does not help at all.
 
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believe or not, as fans we have also have a certain responsibilty about how and what we post cause things here get read and partially flow into decisions that will be made. like lindy said, you guys put on an incredible amount of pressure. so more constructive posts about what should be done going forward would help, then see what happens. looking backwards does not help at all.

I think I bruised my brain I eye rolled so hard
 
I don’t think Glass is worth his QO which means Devils have to make a decision sooner rather than later on him.

If I’m Fitzgerald, I try to offer him 2 years at 1.5-2 million per. I wouldn’t want to pay him his QO of 2.5, but he’s also probably not going to get that as a UFA unless a bottom feeder team gives him a deal to reach the floor.

I also suspect there’s going to be quite a few pending RFAs in a similar boat to him that aren’t qualified if they don’t sign before that date. May be a few extra targets for Fitzgerald
 
believe or not, as fans we have also have a certain responsibilty about how and what we post cause things here get read and partially flow into decisions that will be made. like lindy said, you guys put on an incredible amount of pressure. so more constructive posts about what should be done going forward would help, then see what happens. looking backwards does not help at all.

lol what
 
man, go read your post again, maybe turn it down a notch and people would be more willing to respond positive to your critics. calling a FO mostly incompetent and for others to have no logic sounds indeed arrogant and speaks to alack of self-awareness. i am usually on the same page with you, but nobody is always right and its easy to critize in the aftermath, we should not expect it from a GM and for sure not from ourself. i would never think, that i know better then these professionals and mistakes will be made.

in general, constantly complaining about things from the past and talking down our players isnt helping. in my opinion the Kova signing is fine and was needed, the NTCs are part of the business when you want to bring in guys, every teaam has them. your thinking of overpayment is just wrong, by definiton and especially in the current market environment. ypu are not always right either. Agree that bratt should be paired with nico and thats where you start, but thats just my opinion.

believe or not, as fans we have also have a certain responsibilty about how and what we post cause things here get read and partially flow into decisions that will be made. like lindy said, you guys put on an incredible amount of pressure. so more constructive posts about what should be done going forward would help, then see what happens. looking backwards does not help at all.
Lol, well said. I think people should sometimes read their posts out loud and see if they would still be willing to say the same thing in the same way speaking compared to typing. The internet just has a way of encouraging more extreme language.

I'm not sure if Fitz and team read the boards though. It's not quite like Lou era where everything was super-stealth, but the Devils have never been a team that communicates with its fans over personnel decisions.

I hope the goalie coaches in particular tell the young goalies to ignore absolutely everything said online.
 
I think I bruised my brain I eye rolled so hard


what? your not waiting for our banner too?

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If they want to keep Glass, he should be a utility 4c and 3c in emergencies, but he'll also be injured for 50% of the season so yea
My thing with Glass is that I don't know what he get's you over "random other guy at league minimum/callup from the minors". Is be better than Dowling? Sure. Is he $2M better than Dowling? I don't think so.

Can someone who is deep into numbers give me something that shows he's worth anything over random callup?
 
Nashville has also done things like…

1) bought out the last 3 years of Duchene’s contract so he could have a 65 point and 82 point season on Dallas.

2) waived Tolvanen.

So who f***ing cares what weird shit Nashville does?

Glass’ biggest issue is that he has a pattern of playing well and then getting injured. And that happened yet again in NJ.

He had 6 points (2G 4A) in his first 8 games as a Devil, and then missed 4 games. He didn’t just randomly start underperforming.

I don’t agree that a healthy Glass can’t be “a role player”, he’s a two-way center with good underlying defensive numbers.

Not sure what this hand wringing is for, Fitz has generally been successful squeezing our RFAs.
His on ice numbers in his last 12 games of the season are great. Telling that fourth line center with his skating and positioning doesn't worth 2.5 mil especially with today cap is just pure ignoring of reality.
 
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Cap rising or not, Glass isn't worth anywhere close to his qualifying offer, I'm amazed it's even a discussion.

He's a total JAG, if you're penciling him in above the 4th line you aren't going to be competing for anything other than a lottery pick. I'm not even certain he's an everyday guy as opposed to someone who gets rotated in & out, he tends to go missing for huge stretches. Don't let the 14 decent regular season games he had with us blind you, the sample size is insufficient.

Given how center starved we are I'm not opposed to keeping him around, but he's not worth substantially more than the league minimum in my opinion. I can live with signing him in the $1m - $1.5m range, but if he's asking for more than that it's an easy goodbye from me.
 
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My thing with Glass is that I don't know what he get's you over "random other guy at league minimum/callup from the minors". Is be better than Dowling? Sure. Is he $2M better than Dowling? I don't think so.

Can someone who is deep into numbers give me something that shows he's worth anything over random callup?

Here are the full forwards from those 12 referenced games for Glass (15 overall team games):

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2nd best xG% among forwards and best HDCF% among forwards (by far)
 

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