Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - draft and FA edition

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Ross Colton…

 

[Edmonton East]

Crappy reporting. More like in 19 games he had 2G, 5A, 7pts, 19 shots. And a whopping total of 1 assist in his final 12 games. This is the production he put up while knowingly playing for a contract in a few months. Not great Bob.

But I look forward to this place justifying Fitz stupidly signing him for like $3m and term out of desperation and penciling him in as the 3C. Mentally preparing myself for it now.

Agree - Cody Glass is a league minimum dollars, 14th forward. He can be replaced with a sawhorse.

Yea idk why I get labeled a doomer for stating what should be obvious to folks that actually want this team to contend. Not my fault the truth hurts. It is entertaining though. When Glass was acquired I didn't understand the value given up considering he's Cody Glass and had a high qualifying offer needed this summer. Like at time of trade, he wasn't getting qualified by the Pens or most NHL teams. I get ya make the move hoping for a low cost breakout, but who the hell were the Devs bidding against? I don't think most folks here realize that in 2024 Nash literally paid a 3rd & a 6th just to get rid of Glass (despite being a highly drafted C in his prime).

Should have just been a worthless prospect swap or far out 5th or something. Or don't bother. No real contender even wanted him for C depth. Hell, Pitt was cooked all season and the Devs needed C depth, why didn't Fitz get him earlier so he had a larger sample size? Then I could understand it even if we ended up in the same place. But now the cap strapped, negative center depth Devs need to spend serious time debating if Glass is worth qualifying....

Glass has mostly shown nothing with 3 decent teams now and doesn't fit as a role player either. I gave him a chance when they got him despite being confused how he had any value at all considering performance and contract structure. He looked good for a few games, credit to him. He's done this with other teams too....then did jackshit the last 12 games of the season when he should be the most motivated of his entire career....in a contract year and could even be out of the league (because, again, he isn't a role player).

TL;DR - You are correct he shouldn't get anything close to his qualifying offer from this cap strapped team. Unfortunately, I fear he might get that and then some. The most C needy team heading into the offseason somehow needs them even more now after moving Haula already....which again, made zero sense before UFA unless you had another deal lined up.

 

[BostonDevil]

Yea idk why I get labeled a doomer for stating what should be obvious to folks that actually want this team to contend. Not my fault the truth hurts. It is entertaining though. When Glass was acquired I didn't understand the value given up considering he's Cody Glass and had a high qualifying offer needed this summer. Like at time of trade, he wasn't getting qualified by the Pens or most NHL teams. I get ya make the move hoping for a low cost breakout, but who the hell were the Devs bidding against? I don't think most folks here realize that in 2024 Nash literally paid a 3rd & a 6th just to get rid of Glass (despite being a highly drafted C in his prime).

Should have just been a worthless prospect swap or far out 5th or something. Or don't bother. No real contender even wanted him for C depth. Hell, Pitt was cooked all season and the Devs needed C depth, why didn't Fitz get him earlier so he had a larger sample size? Then I could understand it even if we ended up in the same place. But now the cap strapped, negative center depth Devs need to spend serious time debating if Glass is worth qualifying....

Glass has mostly shown nothing with 3 decent teams now and doesn't fit as a role player either. I gave him a chance when they got him despite being confused how he had any value at all considering performance and contract structure. He looked good for a few games, credit to him. He's done this with other teams too....then did jackshit the last 12 games of the season when he should be the most motivated of his entire career....in a contract year and could even be out of the league (because, again, he isn't a role player).

TL;DR - You are correct he shouldn't get anything close to his qualifying offer from this cap strapped team. Unfortunately, I fear he might get that and then some. The most C needy team heading into the offseason somehow needs them even more now after moving Haula already....which again, made zero sense before UFA unless you had another deal lined up.

You are a doomer.

Getting rid of Haula at any time is a brilliant move. Why would you want to give them time to think?

 

[None Shall Pass]

Cody Glass is an serviceable 3rd line / great 4th line NHL center. Those contracts start at $2M. Anything less is a coup.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Regardless of Glass's true ceiling, he came in and played admirably with the situation, he's gonna get paid. The cap is booming, there's no reason to be worried or even troll Fitz if Glass comes in a slightly above AAV.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Yea idk why I get labeled a doomer for stating what should be obvious to folks that actually want this team to contend. Not my fault the truth hurts. It is entertaining though. When Glass was acquired I didn't understand the value given up considering he's Cody Glass and had a high qualifying offer needed this summer. Like at time of trade, he wasn't getting qualified by the Pens or most NHL teams. I get ya make the move hoping for a low cost breakout, but who the hell were the Devs bidding against? I don't think most folks here realize that in 2024 Nash literally paid a 3rd & a 6th just to get rid of Glass (despite being a highly drafted C in his prime).

Should have just been a worthless prospect swap or far out 5th or something. Or don't bother. No real contender even wanted him for C depth. Hell, Pitt was cooked all season and the Devs needed C depth, why didn't Fitz get him earlier so he had a larger sample size? Then I could understand it even if we ended up in the same place. But now the cap strapped, negative center depth Devs need to spend serious time debating if Glass is worth qualifying....

Glass has mostly shown nothing with 3 decent teams now and doesn't fit as a role player either. I gave him a chance when they got him despite being confused how he had any value at all considering performance and contract structure. He looked good for a few games, credit to him. He's done this with other teams too....then did jackshit the last 12 games of the season when he should be the most motivated of his entire career....in a contract year and could even be out of the league (because, again, he isn't a role player).

TL;DR - You are correct he shouldn't get anything close to his qualifying offer from this cap strapped team. Unfortunately, I fear he might get that and then some. The most C needy team heading into the offseason somehow needs them even more now after moving Haula already....which again, made zero sense before UFA unless you had another deal lined up.

 

[Smitty426]

Would think van would want a puck mover in return which tends me to lean Nemec or Casey

Casey has skill but there a reason why defensemen his size tend to not make it

Casey and Quinn are almost the exact same height and weight. I get what your saying but having those two in the trade and saying that is interesting

 

[Triumph]

Yea idk why I get labeled a doomer for stating what should be obvious to folks that actually want this team to contend. Not my fault the truth hurts. It is entertaining though. When Glass was acquired I didn't understand the value given up considering he's Cody Glass and had a high qualifying offer needed this summer. Like at time of trade, he wasn't getting qualified by the Pens or most NHL teams. I get ya make the move hoping for a low cost breakout, but who the hell were the Devs bidding against? I don't think most folks here realize that in 2024 Nash literally paid a 3rd & a 6th just to get rid of Glass (despite being a highly drafted C in his prime).

You don't have any clue what things are worth. At the deadline, salary doesn't matter as much anymore, and it's simply about fit. A high qualifying offer does not matter because it's just a rental and Glass is very unlikely to be qualified by anyone given the season he had.

In your world, Kovacevic is worth a 1st+ (easily! according to you). But Cody Glass is worth less than a 2027 3rd. Sure thing.

Jake Walman was traded with a 2nd for nothing in the offseason, Edmonton paid a first round pick for him at the deadline. Context matters. Something which you constantly disregard.

Should have just been a worthless prospect swap or far out 5th or something. Or don't bother. No real contender even wanted him for C depth. Hell, Pitt was cooked all season and the Devs needed C depth, why didn't Fitz get him earlier so he had a larger sample size? Then I could understand it even if we ended up in the same place. But now the cap strapped, negative center depth Devs need to spend serious time debating if Glass is worth qualifying....

The Devils didn't have cap room all season to acquire Glass; when Hughes was hurt, that space opened up. You have no idea what other teams were offering for Glass.

The Devils don't have to debate whether or not Glass is worth qualifying. He isn't. There, that was easy.

Glass has mostly shown nothing with 3 decent teams now and doesn't fit as a role player either. I gave him a chance when they got him despite being confused how he had any value at all considering performance and contract structure. He looked good for a few games, credit to him. He's done this with other teams too....then did jackshit the last 12 games of the season when he should be the most motivated of his entire career....in a contract year and could even be out of the league (because, again, he isn't a role player).

He missed games with injury twice down the stretch. That's been a problem of his in his career also, but just yelling about 12 games is some classic Edmonton East behavior. Cody Glass had a 54% xG regardless in the regular season, he got destroyed in the playoffs but so was the rest of the bottom 6 - he played with Cotter and Noesen.

The idea that Cody Glass could be out of the league in 2025-26 is absurd.

TL;DR - You are correct he shouldn't get anything close to his qualifying offer from this cap strapped team. Unfortunately, I fear he might get that and then some. The most C needy team heading into the offseason somehow needs them even more now after moving Haula already....which again, made zero sense before UFA unless you had another deal lined up.

And the brain genius continues to think he is the smartest person in the room.

 

[Edmonton East]

Cody Glass is an serviceable 3rd line / great 4th line NHL center. Those contracts start at $2M. Anything less is a coup.

Cody Glass isn't a 3C on any competitive team. End of story. That's reality. You do realize Glass was a cap dump just last offseason and had to be packaged with a 3rd and a 6th to be moved, right? Then he continued to do f all with the Penguins. Real 3Cs are at a huge premium in the NHL. See the contracts given out to them and the trade overpays in recent years. Hell, see why the very team you root for hasn't been able to acquire one for YEARS despite thinking it's a contender. Unfortunately, this is also why I'm terrified Glass ends up being the 3C by default....

If they find a true 3C and wanna roll with him on the 4th for cheap, great. Maybe he turns it around by some miracle. But if they find a 3C, they can't afford Glass at $2+. Soooooo.

 

[Andre Palot]

You know, on paper, a player like Jack Roslovic would be a good, dare I say ideal target for a 3C.

22 goals last year. 17 assists. Under 30 (a nice added plus)

Sadly, I doubt Carolina will let him go and considering they have a decent amount of cap space, I don't see why they wouldn't extend him.

If we are to stick solely to dumpster diving I think Pius Suter or Adam Gaudette or Anthony Beauviller could be viable depth upgrades who would be cap friendly as well.

 

[Devils Trap]

You know, on paper, a player like Jack Roslovic would be a good, dare I say ideal target for a 3C.

22 goals goals last year. 17 assists. Under 30 (a nice added plus)

Sadly, I doubt Carolina will let him go and considering they have a decent amount of cap space, I don't see why they wouldn't extend him.

If we are to stick solely to dumpster diving I think Pius Suter or Adam Gaudette or Anthony Beauviller could be viable depth upgrades who would be cap friendly as well.

He cant play C at a high level. Hes a winger IMO

 

[Edmonton East]

You are a doomer.

Getting rid of Haula at any time is a brilliant move. Why would you want to give them time to think?

Maybe this org just rarely deserves credit and is mostly incompetent? Recent memory: I was happy with the Bahl and Kovacevic acquisitions. Liked the Bratt, Hughes, and Nico contracts. Toffoli made sense, but still no idea how they didn't get more at deadline that year. Meier also made sense, but was an overpay (happens). Dillion was okay, but the NMC with term extending this year didn't make much sense based on rest of contracts. Pesce was a player they needed and who I've always liked, but the contract is a ticking time bomb with the miles he has....and there is some truth to him being a Slavin merchant. Was fine with Keefe hire. Etc etc.

So I say positive stuff and abstain if I don't love a move but get the reasoning....this team just makes a disproportionate amount of stupid decisions and many folks on here blindly defend it obnoxiously and without logic. Then when definitively proven wrong, they learn nothing, and keep on doing the same thing with the next topic. I mean there are very frequent posters that have an incredible arrogance to them despite being wrong about 95% of things on this board for years or even a decade+. I'm envious of the lack of self-awareness tbh (generally speaking).

 

[BostonDevil]

Regardless of Glass's true ceiling, he came in and played admirably with the situation, he's gonna get paid. The cap is booming, there's no reason to be worried or even troll Fitz if Glass comes in a slightly above AAV.

I hope I'm wrong, but if they qualify Glass at $2.5m (which is what I think the number is), I believe it will be a waste.

 

[Bcap88]

Casey and Quinn are almost the exact same height and weight. I get what your saying but having those two in the trade and saying that is interesting

for every Quinn Hughes there’s a Ty smith ya know. Quinn is proven unless the devils think Casey can be a 90 point defensemen and a perennial Norris candidate you keep him. I just don’t see it

 

[Ekiru]

Devils just need to.. not f*** this up

 

[Guttersniped]

Yea idk why I get labeled a doomer for stating what should be obvious to folks that actually want this team to contend. Not my fault the truth hurts. It is entertaining though. When Glass was acquired I didn't understand the value given up considering he's Cody Glass and had a high qualifying offer needed this summer. Like at time of trade, he wasn't getting qualified by the Pens or most NHL teams. I get ya make the move hoping for a low cost breakout, but who the hell were the Devs bidding against? I don't think most folks here realize that in 2024 Nash literally paid a 3rd & a 6th just to get rid of Glass (despite being a highly drafted C in his prime).

Should have just been a worthless prospect swap or far out 5th or something. Or don't bother. No real contender even wanted him for C depth. Hell, Pitt was cooked all season and the Devs needed C depth, why didn't Fitz get him earlier so he had a larger sample size? Then I could understand it even if we ended up in the same place. But now the cap strapped, negative center depth Devs need to spend serious time debating if Glass is worth qualifying....

Glass has mostly shown nothing with 3 decent teams now and doesn't fit as a role player either. I gave him a chance when they got him despite being confused how he had any value at all considering performance and contract structure. He looked good for a few games, credit to him. He's done this with other teams too....then did jackshit the last 12 games of the season when he should be the most motivated of his entire career....in a contract year and could even be out of the league (because, again, he isn't a role player).

TL;DR - You are correct he shouldn't get anything close to his qualifying offer from this cap strapped team. Unfortunately, I fear he might get that and then some. The most C needy team heading into the offseason somehow needs them even more now after moving Haula already....which again, made zero sense before UFA unless you had another deal lined up.

Nashville has also done things like…

1) bought out the last 3 years of Duchene’s contract so he could have a 65 point and 82 point season on Dallas.

2) waived Tolvanen.

So who f***ing cares what weird shit Nashville does?

Glass’ biggest issue is that he has a pattern of playing well and then getting injured. And that happened yet again in NJ.

He had 6 points (2G 4A) in his first 8 games as a Devil, and then missed 4 games. He didn’t just randomly start underperforming.

I don’t agree that a healthy Glass can’t be “a role player”, he’s a two-way center with good underlying defensive numbers.

Not sure what this hand wringing is for, Fitz has generally been successful squeezing our RFAs.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I hope I'm wrong, but if they qualify Glass at $2.5m (which is what I think the number is), I believe it will be a waste.

I mean that's fair, it also depends what they do at the 3C. If they get a good 3C at a lower price via trade retention then it makes a Glass deal more palatable (lol ironic use of the word with Palat on the roster)

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Ross Colton…

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What would the Devils trade for Colton?

Colorado cannot take back any contracts, would need to purely be picks/prospects type thing.

 

[theoptimist]

Not interested in Cody Glass or Ross Colton at 3C. For all the talk about our franchise centers, they will end up missing games next season. Would be helpful to have someone with more offensive ceiling than Glass/Colton.

My 3C costs $5M, not $3M.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Yea idk why I get labeled a doomer for stating what should be obvious to folks that actually want this team to contend. Not my fault the truth hurts. It is entertaining though. When Glass was acquired I didn't understand the value given up considering he's Cody Glass and had a high qualifying offer needed this summer. Like at time of trade, he wasn't getting qualified by the Pens or most NHL teams. I get ya make the move hoping for a low cost breakout, but who the hell were the Devs bidding against? I don't think most folks here realize that in 2024 Nash literally paid a 3rd & a 6th just to get rid of Glass (despite being a highly drafted C in his prime).

Should have just been a worthless prospect swap or far out 5th or something. Or don't bother. No real contender even wanted him for C depth. Hell, Pitt was cooked all season and the Devs needed C depth, why didn't Fitz get him earlier so he had a larger sample size? Then I could understand it even if we ended up in the same place. But now the cap strapped, negative center depth Devs need to spend serious time debating if Glass is worth qualifying....

Glass has mostly shown nothing with 3 decent teams now and doesn't fit as a role player either. I gave him a chance when they got him despite being confused how he had any value at all considering performance and contract structure. He looked good for a few games, credit to him. He's done this with other teams too....then did jackshit the last 12 games of the season when he should be the most motivated of his entire career....in a contract year and could even be out of the league (because, again, he isn't a role player).

TL;DR - You are correct he shouldn't get anything close to his qualifying offer from this cap strapped team. Unfortunately, I fear he might get that and then some. The most C needy team heading into the offseason somehow needs them even more now after moving Haula already....which again, made zero sense before UFA unless you had another deal lined up.

maybe its because in LITERALLY EVERY POST, you pat yourself on a back for stuff you (may or may not have) said months or years ago. Nobody gives a single f*** about that.

I bet you also thought we'd get a top 100 pick for Erik Haula right? Yeah, sure.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

What would the Devils trade for Colton?

Colorado cannot take back any contracts, would need to purely be picks/prospects type thing.

Vegas' 3rd round pick in 2025.

throw in a 2026 pick or a mid tier prospect like Nolan Foote if you want.

 

[Nocashstyle]

It’s gotta be tiresome for some of you to be so insufferable about this team all the time.

 

[thebeernerd]

I'm staying away from stressful stuff around me, so why make my team subject to that? I'm just enjoying the ride until after the first week of free agency when the dust around the teams will be mostly settled. If I have concerns then, I'll make sure to touch on that. It's way too soon to say anything definitive when we haven't even had the draft yet.

 

[fire Fitzgerald]

Crappy reporting. More like in 19 games he had 2G, 5A, 7pts, 19 shots. And a whopping total of 1 assist in his final 12 games. This is the production he put up while knowingly playing for a contract in a few months. Not great Bob.

But I look forward to this place justifying Fitz stupidly signing him for like $3m and term out of desperation and penciling him in as the 3C. Mentally preparing myself for it now.

I think Haula's money will go to him and he will be our 3C.
Not a disaster, but not cool.

 

[Better Call Sal]

I think Haula's money will go to him and he will be our 3C.
Not a disaster, but not cool.

I don't think that will happen at all. Even with the cap rising. Glass is not productive enough offensively to warrant that type of raise.