GDT: Devils @ Canucks - 10:00 PM - MSG

[devilsblood]

Your ability to doubt me and act like I don't know what the hell I'm talking about on these goalies (remember when Cory was gonna bounce back at 32-33 years old after multiple bad years? Yeah, you were definitely one of them) is more impressive than anything I can do.

Congrats.

I used to think maybe you defended McLeod a little too much, but now I know I was just too hard on him, as well as many other players, who have much less consequence to a team than a BAD goaltender.

You're so busy yelling about these goalies that you don't hear what other people are saying. Cory was under contract. Buying him out, especially considering we weren't very good at that point anyways, only pushed the cost off to a further date. Like now, when we are at the cap, or next year when we will be trying to pay Bratt. It was definitely worth hoping Cory would regain his form.

If you had your way, we'd be paying for Cory's buyout till 2030.

You also ignore that there is a shortage of quality goaltending in the league, like in hoping Cory would regain his form, it is worth hoping Blackwood regains his.

 

[Japam]

i think it was common practice for top of the pops

It was definitely common practice for Top of the Pops

 

[NjDevsRR]

Bad goalies can have good years and vice versa.

Just give me standard goaltending. Anything more is gravy.

 

[glenwo2]

I’m not disagreeing with you. But I don’t think there is an all that compelling case the Vanacek is head and shoulders above Blackwood. So until totally proven otherwise, Blackwood should still get a shot.

^^^ Vanacek is head and shoulders above Blackwood in that when a routine shot approaches him, I'm not EXPECTING the puck to go through him like I do with Blackwood.

 

[glenwo2]

LOL...playing both goaltenders in an obvious 1A/1B situation is not trying to make "Blackwood" happen.

I'm almost getting the sense that you'd rather have seen them lose last night with Blackwood getting lit up so you could've been right.

That is faulty logic on your part if you believe that was my thought process.

I was happy we won but as I said before : A Bad decision resulting in a Good outcome is still a Bad decision.

Lindy rolled a snake eyes here as we didn't know what Blackwood we would get in this game.

Whereas with Vitek, we were sure that he could at least stop a puck (and he's proven it).

 

[NjDevsRR]

Why is Glen on my ignored list? Lmao interesting. I don’t have a problem with him since 20. Or am I on his. Interesting…

 

[Bleedred]

What if Evan Rodriguez scored on the breakaway in the 3rd period after Marino misread the play? Vtec saved that goal -- do we really want to think about a tie Devils game late in the 3rd?

I don't trust Blackwood and frankly was done with him during the unvaccinated drama. Cannot wait for Bernier to be ready and challenge for 1b

Agreed. But I don't really care about the vac stuff (I'm not vaccinated at all), although I do think it could have created a bit of a rift or maybe it didn't? It's very easy to hate a goalie who's been one of the worst in the league since February of 2021. And has played over 60 games in that time span.

''NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO! It's injuries and covid! Injuries and covid! Injuries and covid!''

Yes, injuries and covid are the new misery and famine

 

[glenwo2]

Anyway, it's no use dwelling on the what-if's here.

The Devils managed to overcome Mac in goal this past game.

It helped that the Canucks are GOD-AWFUL to the point where even McLeod scored a goal on them. (Yikes)

But we didn't know they were THIS awful as (going into this game) they had played better the previous two games which is why it was so risky for Lindy to do this.

 

[HBK27]

That is faulty logic on your part if you believe that was my thought process.

I was happy we won but as I said before : A Bad decision resulting in a Good outcome is still a Bad decision.

Lindy rolled a snake eyes here as we didn't know what Blackwood we would get in this game.

Whereas with Vitek, we were sure that he could at least stop a puck (and he's proven it).

So, if you were coach when would you have played Blackwood again?

Vanecek had just started 3 straight games and we don't have another back-to-back until after Thanksgiving. You just going to ride Vanecek every game like he's Marty Brodeur in his prime?

 

[NjDevsRR]

So, if you were coach when would you have played Blackwood again?

Vanecek had just started 3 straight games and we don't have another back-to-back until after Thanksgiving. You just going to ride Vanecek every game like he's Marty Brodeur in his prime?

I was thinking against Calgary since Vanecek had such a light workload on Sunday. But Mac did what he needed to do so I’m happy.

 

[glenwo2]

So, if you were coach when would you have played Blackwood again?

I've repeated this ad nauseum the past several pages. *sigh*

Okay I'll say it once more :

Play Blackwood against Calgary in the first game of the Home and Home.

Basically a throwaway game where if they lose, it won't be a big deal as the Devils would (hopefully) be 2-0 prior to that game with Vitek starting the Vancouver game and Edmonton game.

And we'd be going back to Vitek in the 2nd game of that home and home...

Possible 3-1 against Western Canada teams. (PRESTO!)

It makes way more sense than the risk Lindy took.

 

[Billdo]

Meh.

Just 'cause a BAD DECISION had a GOOD RESULT doesn't make it a Good decision.

Lindy took a big risk here

His numbers against Van, regardless of how old they are, were spectacular. Plus play Vanecek against the stronger teams. This wasn't/isn't as big of a deal as some of y'all made it out to be.

 

[Better Call Sal]

Not for nothing, but Mac had a strong performance overall. The second goal might have been leaky but it being on a 6-on-4 PP, I'm not going to dwell on it. He made a couple of key saves as well.

I know it's popular to ride on certain guys here, but credit where credit is due. He came in and performed.

 

[glenwo2]

The fact that you were concerned about going 0-4 on a 3 game road trip is a good signal your thought process was faulty.

You are really something else, you know that?

Is "talking down to people" a skill? christ....

I was referring to the entire set of games against Western Canadian teams.

Get off your high horse.

 

[HBK27]

I've repeated this ad nauseum the past several pages. *sigh*

Okay I'll say it once more :

Play Blackwood against Calgary in the first game of the Home and Home.

Basically a throwaway game where if they lose, it won't be a big deal as the Devils would (hopefully) be 2-0 prior to that game with Vitek starting the Vancouver game and Edmonton game.

And we'd be going back to Vitek in the 2nd game of that home and home...

It makes way more sense than the risk Lindy took.

There's 1,700+ posts in this thread - many of which I have not gone through.

Fair enough though. We've had a fairly easy schedule so far, so I'm looking forward to seeing how we stack up against top teams like Edmonton and Calgary and I think Vanecek gives us the best chance in those games.

As much as I still think it's largely a split situation, I have no problem riding Vanecek the next 3 games assuming he performs well in the first 2.

There are also no throwaway games.

 

[Bleedred]

You're so busy yelling about these goalies that you don't hear what other people are saying. Cory was under contract. Buying him out, especially considering we weren't very good at that point anyways, only pushed the cost off to a further date. Like now, when we are at the cap, or next year when we will be trying to pay Bratt. It was definitely worth hoping Cory would regain his form.

If you had your way, we'd be paying for Cory's buyout till 2030.

You also ignore that there is a shortage of quality goaltending in the league, like in hoping Cory would regain his form, it is worth hoping Blackwood regains his.

2030? Is this for real? The first time I ever suggested buying him out was only the year before we actually did buy him out. I started talking about it in the Fall of 2018, so we wouldn't have been able to buy him out any earlier than June of 2019 from that point. So we'd be paying for it until 2025, not 2030.

In the end, I concede that we are better off that he was bought out a year after I wanted him to be. It's absolutely better for us now, but he was also kept around for about a year longer than he should have been. And the fact that he got waived about 6 weeks into that season (and they only gave him one more start after the 4th week of the season before waiving him) was pretty telling of that. Even if he was just buried in the minors for one year before buyout, I think he was here a year longer than he should have been. Especially since we were actually trying to ''Compete'' in 2019-2020. A Schneider-Blackwood tandem was questionable from the start. At the very least, Blackwood should have not started that season in the NHL and we could have gotten someone else and then Blackwood comes up to replace Schneider in November of 2019, instead of Louis Domingue coming up to replace Schneider.

Speaking of Bratt, my fear is that Blackwood (Who will cost $3 million next year and Vanecek is already signed at $3.4 million for next year) will be retained next year, no matter what for one more year. And if he doesn't have at least a .900%-.905% at season's end, we should not be re-signing him for his $3 million qualifying offer. We could find .900% goaltending for a million a year. Daws might be able to give us .900% next year for that price.

Of course, I don't want to really have Daws up in the NHL full time next year or at any time this year, as I think he could have a higher ceiling than a .900% NHL backup, but almost $6.5 million is too much for two goalies next year when at least one of them can't keep up with the league average. We could use that extra $2 million on that just about anybody else and it would be more worth it.

And what's spent is spent this year. He got this contract 2 years ago now, which was a fair deal at the time. I cannot imagine giving him $3 million for next year (which is a raise) if he does not improve from the last two seasons. He don't need to have a Vezina season, but he needs to be somewhere in the neighborhood of league average. And even then, I would give him one year. If he's really good in 23-24, you re-sign him. If he's not, you let him go. And if he's not close to average this year, you do what the Caps did with Samsonov.

 

[Cage Helmet]

Think of canning the HC of the org’s first playoff round winner in 26 years, and highest scoring team the NHL has seen in 25 years - just to hire one of the same, league recyclables of the last 27 years. What else can you expect from an org with 30 years worth of ineptitude? Thanks, Flordiques ! Bruno has been a paramount find for our team. And thanks to the TBL for sweeping them ! Killed two bucks with one shot ! We’re really lucky he was available for us !

 

[glenwo2]

His numbers against Van, regardless of how old they are, were spectacular. Plus play Vanecek against the stronger teams. This wasn't/isn't as big of a deal as some of y'all made it out to be.

Actually it does matter as that was a different Mackenzie Blackwood back then prior to turning into a goddamn pumpkin and playing like one since then.

He gave me zero reason to believe he wouldn't perform (last night) the same crappy way he's performed the past several seasons.

That he managed to do otherwise was a very pleasant surprise, I'll admit.

 

[MartyOwns]

I just have no faith in Blackwood. I don’t think he’s a good goalie.

Some people wanna make me feel a fool for doubting an .892% goalie over the last 61 games (hey! It went up a point! It was .891% before last night!) will be good again.

Or like I’m slandering a player that’s actually good like Jack Hughes or Nico.

Way better players have been shit talked on this board.

Vanecek has been the better goalie this regular season, preseason and last two seasons. Some people put way too much confidence into a goalie that hasn’t had more than a handful of good games in a row in close to 3 years.

jesus chriiiiiiiiist lol dude we get it. you’re not a fan of blackwood.

both goalies are going to play over the remainder of the schedule, so just accept that blackwood will be playing every now and again and hope for the best. don’t need to hear about his last 60 games every time he starts.

 

[Guttersniped]

I just have no faith in Blackwood. I don’t think he’s a good goalie.

Some people wanna make me feel a fool for doubting an .892% goalie over the last 61 games (hey! It went up a point! It was .891% before last night!) will be good again.

Or like I’m slandering a player that’s actually good like Jack Hughes or Nico.

Way better players have been shit talked on this board.

Vanecek has been the better goalie this regular season, preseason and last two seasons. Some people put way too much confidence into a goalie that hasn’t had more than a handful of good games in a row in close to 3 years.

You might have everyone beat in shear volume of Blackwood shit talk, don’t sell yourself short here.

Do the goalies previous records against the upcoming teams suggest who will play?

Blackwood vs Edmonton
59 shots & 51 saves
1-0-1 .864

Vanecek vs Calgary
48 shots & 41 saves
1-0-1 .854

Not really.

 

[glenwo2]

There's 1,700+ posts in this thread - many of which I have not gone through.

Fair enough though. We've had a fairly easy schedule so far, so I'm looking forward to seeing how we stack up against top teams like Edmonton and Calgary and I think Vanecek gives us the best chance in those games.

As much as I still think it's largely a split situation, I have no problem riding Vanecek the next 3 games assuming he performs well in the first 2.

There are also no throwaway games.

Agreed with all but the last sentence (somewhat).

It's a "Throwaway game" in the sense that if we lose, I wouldn't lose sleep over it but if we win, it's a wonderful bonus.

 

[Bleedred]

jesus chriiiiiiiiist lol dude we get it. you’re not a fan of blackwood.

both goalies are going to play over the remainder of the schedule, so just accept that blackwood will be playing every now and again and hope for the best. don’t need to hear about his last 60 games every time he starts.

It's kind of funny, because I know you were one of the people running him out of town in the offseason? Flip flop much? Funny how you run to defend him now because he's won some games.

That'd be fine if he actually only was playing every now and again. All indications are that he will probably play a bit more than ''Every now and again''.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

A one man gif party is better than no gif party.

I'll take it.

 

[Bleedred]

You might have everyone beat in shear volume of Blackwood shit talk, don’t sell yourself short here.

Because he SUUUCCCCCKKKSSSSSSS.

 

[glenwo2]

2030? Is this for real? The first time I ever suggested buying him out was only the year before we actually did buy him out. I started talking about it in the Fall of 2018, so we wouldn't have been able to buy him out any earlier than June of 2019 from that point. So we'd be paying for it until 2025, not 2030.

In the end, I concede that we are better off that he was bought out a year after I wanted him to be. It's absolutely better for us now, but he was also kept around for about a year longer than he should have been. And the fact that he got waived about 6 weeks into that season (and they only gave him one more start after the 4th week of the season before waiving him) was pretty telling of that. Even if he was just buried in the minors for one year before buyout, I think he was here a year longer than he should have been. Especially since we were actually trying to ''Compete'' in 2019-2020. A Schneider-Blackwood tandem was questionable from the start. At the very least, Blackwood should have not started that season in the NHL and we could have gotten someone else and then Blackwood comes up to replace Schneider in November of 2019, instead of Louis Domingue coming up to replace Schneider.

Speaking of Bratt, my fear is that Blackwood (Who will cost $3 million next year and Vanecek is already signed at $3.4 million for next year) will be retained next year, no matter what for one more year. And if he doesn't have at least a .900%-.905% at season's end, we should not be re-signing him for his $3 million qualifying offer. We could find .900% goaltending for a million a year. Daws might be able to give us .900% next year for that price.

Of course, I don't want to really have Daws up in the NHL full time next year or at any time this year, as I think he could have a higher ceiling than a .900% NHL backup, but almost $6.5 million is too much for two goalies next year when at least one of them can't keep up with the league average. We could use that extra $2 million on that just about anybody else and it would be more worth it.

And what's spent is spent this year. He got this contract 2 years ago now, which was a fair deal at the time. I cannot imagine giving him $3 million for next year (which is a raise) if he does not improve from the last two seasons. He don't need to have a Vezina season, but he needs to be somewhere in the neighborhood of league average. And even then, I would give him one year. If he's really good in 23-24, you re-sign him. If he's not, you let him go. And if he's not close to average this year, you do what the Caps did with Samsonov.

My god....if Mac becomes the reason we lose Bratt.....

Nah...I refuse to even entertain that idea.

Fitz will re-sign Bratt once the New Year comes around and all will be right in the world.