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Wouldn't be an awful idea lol. He's looking to be the next man up in Tampa. He'll probably bust out, out of nowhere, and make them not miss Gourde at all.

The Lightning have been too stacked to work him in. He carried the cup around the rink for a lap. He has played himself out of the AHL. Nothing to prove down there. He's a career .93 PPG player in 144 GP. He is a fast, agile skater with very sharp edges, excellent puck management, good accurate shot, and clean passer. He tore up the Comets with the Crunch. Space has opened up this off season and we'll see exactly what Tampa thinks of him. he started out as a water bug, but he has put 181 lbs on that 5'10" frame which doesn't make him a small forward, just, maybe a little bit undersized, but his speed, shiftiness and agility has kept him safe so far.

He's better than a lot of the guys people keep talking about filling out lineup spots. He's a center and if the Devils are serious about skating 3 scoring lines he could be a fit for that 3rd center spot. So could a whole lot of other guys, but like most of them, a trade is the only way you are getting him.
 
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Most of the time people are right for not wanting to go after UFA’s. Dougie is an exception. He’s a top 5ish Dman in the league and something like 9x7 isn’t even that unreasonable of a contract ofunrr
Ofunrr

sounds like a good time!
 
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Yup. Though I think honestly he probably would’ve had a better year with the devils than he did with the Rangers that year.

We’d probably would have two insane powerplay units that year, Shatty on PP1 and Butcher on PP2. Or maybe we don’t even go after Butcher in that case altogether.
 
We have ONE player signed beyond 2023 currently.

Of course that will change over the coming weeks, but come on. Cap and salary are the least of our worries right now.

Having the young core play meaningful games after the trade deadline is the next step. Time to spend and make deals. I think Fitz knows this.
 
We have ONE player signed beyond 2023 currently.

Of course that will change over the coming weeks, but come on. Cap and salary are the least of our worries right now.

Having the young core play meaningful games after the trade deadline is the next step. Time to spend and make deals. I think Fitz knows this.

Agree that short-term cap isn't a problem at all, in the long-term, a lot depends on the progress of our young core, however I wouldn't want to improve the team for years 2021-2023 at the cost of years 2024-2027.

I think the ball is on the court of the young core, they first have to prove they can carry this team into the playoffs and then management can add impactful and expensive pieces. Trying to "accelerate the rebuild" by making big moves when core is still relatively weak can literally kill the rebuild, examples being Buffalo and Arizona, both teams are now rebuilding the rebuild, the only good thing is that they are starting to do so just before Wright/Bedard/Michkov drafts.
 
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Agree that short-term cap isn't a problem at all, in the long-term, a lot depends on the progress of our young core, however I wouldn't want to improve the team for years 2021-2023 at the cost of years 2024-2027.

I think the ball is on the court of the young core, they first have to prove they can carry this team into the playoffs and then management can add impactful and expensive pieces. Trying to "accelerate the rebuild" by making big moves when core is still relatively weak can literally kill the rebuild, examples being Buffalo and Arizona, both teams are now rebuilding the rebuild, the only good thing is that they are starting to do so just before Wright/Bedard/Michkov drafts.
You need to supplement these young players with some type of actual proven veteran help if you want to aid their development. You can't just solely rely on a young core to carry the team. Assuming one contract given to an elite defenseman that would only go through to his age 34 season would set this franchise back years is quite the overreaction. Also talking about accelerating a rebuild that has gone on for 7+ years at this point is again quite overdramatic.
 
You need to supplement these young players with some type of actual proven veteran help if you want to aid their development.

I agree with that, however you can do that by getting cheap/smart UFA acquisitions a'la Lovejoy/Murray/Crawford/Kulikov/Boyle rather than Neal/Okposo/JVR type signings.

You can't just solely rely on a young core to carry the team.

In order to have any realistic expectation of building a contender after adding expensive pieces (once you do that, it's a point of no return, now rebuild either succeeds or fails), you need your young core to provide better results than it did so far.

Assuming one contract given to an elite defenseman that would only go through to his age 34 season would set this franchise back years is quite the overreaction.

One Hamilton wouldn't (in fact I'm not that against bringing Hamilton, even on 7y/63M contract), however three Hamilton-type acquistions would mean commitment of a large part of the cap into few players that would be on the decline once our core hits their primes. Bringing Hamilton wouldn't be the end of the world, we are under the salary floor anyway, however making 4-5 moves like this could potentially kill the rebuild.

Again, for Buffalo and Arizona, there wasn't a one move that failed their rebuilds, there were few major blunders and a lot of minor ones. For Shero/Fitzgerald, I think there were mostly minor ones (flushing down the toilet a lot of 2nd/3rd round picks), however Lamoriello has made two major mistakes with Schneider trade and not forfeiting the Matteau pick. Those 2 moves have negatively affected our draft position in ALL 2013-2016 drafts because without Schneider we could have been at the absolute bottom of the standings.

You see that? Two moves and the butterfly effect has insane negative effects on the franchise.

Also talking about accelerating a rebuild that has gone on for 7+ years at this point is again quite overdramatic.

The optimal moves depend on the assets that you currently have, not how long you've been tanking. Arizona was missing playoffs since 2011 and decided, in 2017, to accelerate a bit by trading #7 + DeAngelo for Stepan and Raanta and it was an awful move (the fact that Lias Andersson busted eases a pain a bit but still it was a terrible move for the rebuilding team).

The length of rebuilding doesn't matter if you don't take advantage of the draft positions you get because of that, you can rebuild for 20 years and if you don't draft key pieces to building a good team, you can still be bad.
 
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I don't buy this. At all. Incompetent management in Arizona and Buffalo doesn't compare to our situation.

Boston signed Chara to a mega contract in 2006. He came in as a supplement to a promising young core (Bergeron, Krejci, Kessel, Lucic, Rask etc) and immediately opened a window for them. This is a very comparable situation to ours...
 
If people want us to be a more competitive team next year and inch closer to the playoffs, I still think Tampa is the team to be targeting right now/today via trade. They have less than 1 million in Cap space with only 11 forwards, 5 defenseman and 1 goalie signed for next year. The obvious Target for them to move is Tyler Johnson. Do we ask for a Killorn or Palat type as well that would give them closer to 10’millon to play with? Or do we ask for futures like a 1st and a younger player like Ross Colton or Barre Boulet?
 
PK, Butcher, and Johnsson will all be off the books within 2 years or sooner. That's over $16 million on top of the $30 we have currently. And for mostly inconsequential players.

Even our best players haven't played to a standard that would dictate massive raises.
 
I guess we'll talk about our draft in here.

Pronman liked our draft, Wheeler did not. The latter ranked our first day at #20 and has the second day even lower at #23. Didn't care for the overagers at all.

Both gave the Rags bad grades though.
 
We've had a lot of picks since Castron came along so that will play into, but safe to say we lead the league in overagers since he came aboard?
 
We have ONE player signed beyond 2023 currently.

Of course that will change over the coming weeks, but come on. Cap and salary are the least of our worries right now.

Having the young core play meaningful games after the trade deadline is the next step. Time to spend and make deals. I think Fitz knows this.
I'd rather hear we have all our core players signed and still have cap room. The fact that we have one guy signed beyond 2023 means we have a bunch of guys who will be getting more expensive contracts.
 
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The point is nothing these guys say means anything until it actually happens, whether that's rumors about him getting close, or him having interest in coming here.

It's really amazing after all these years, people still take what these guys say publicly literally.
Agree. Posters need to read what these "Insiders" reports actually say and think who is the source and what their motivation is. For example, when Friedman reports the Devils have interest in Hamilton it is likely his agent telling him that. Not hard to figure out why he wants that out there. When the owner of a team says he is making progress in signing one of his best players that is for PR purposes.

There is a main board thread from the Brooks article that said there MIGHT be mutual interest between the Devils and Hamilton. It is funny to see how the conversation turns when the Tweet with Carolina saying they are making progress is posted. My view that Hamilton to NJ is a long shot was not changed by either "report".
 
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I would rank our draft as a C+. Day 1 was very good, we got Hughes and I think Stillman was a good pick. I firmly believe the only reason he was ranked so low is because he didn't play this year. I would give Day 1 a B+.

I wasn't thrilled with Day 2 at all, some decent picks I guess but I really don't like the drafting philosophy. Fitz spent all of the pre-draft and Day 1 talking about taking guys who have the highest ceiling, and then on Day 2 he drafted a bunch of 3rd liners that can't skate. Just really weird to me. I know size and tenacity have been missing from our prospect pool but this feels like a heavy overcorrection to me. I hope I'm wrong and that we get some nice players from this draft but at the moment I'm less than thrilled. Day 2 gets a C- from me.

IMO I'm glad we traded the Isles pick because we never would have drafted any of the guys we wanted with it whereas Graves gives us immediate help.
 
Agree. Posters need to read what these "Insiders" reports actually say and think who is the source and what their motivation is. For example, when Friedman reports the Devils have interest in Hamilton it is likely his agent telling him that. Not hard to figure out why he wants that out there. When the owner of a team says he is making progress in signing one of his best players that is for PR purposes.

There is a main board thread from the Brooks article that said there MIGHT be mutual interest between the Devils and Hamilton. It is funny to see how the conversation turns when the Tweet with Carolina saying they are making progress is posted. My view that Hamilton to NJ is a long shot was not changed by either "report".

This seems mostly right but how is NJ a long shot? It's looking like either Carolina, NJ, or a dark horse (Seattle?). NJ is at worst the 2nd most likely destination. True, probably more likely than not he re-signs in Carolina.
 
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One thing that might be in favor of us on regards to Hamilton is Waddell, his take it or leave it attitude, he's giving out vibes that might be a turnoff for Hamilton. He comes across as kind of a dick.
 
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Tyler Johnson showed us a great deal in the playoffs. He was one of their best players. Very determined and tough to handle and scored a number of key goals at crucial game and series moments. He would take shifts immediately after they were scored on and change the momentum.

We need to reach the cap floor, so I can see Johnson being useful. His contract will expire before it became a problem for us.

He has a no trade clause though right?
 
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One thing that might be in favor of us on regards to Hamilton is Waddell, his take it or leave attitude vibes he's giving out might be a turnoff for Hamilton. He comes across as kind of a dick.

This has been the Hurricanes MO since Dundon took over see: John Forslund, Sebastian Aho, Nedeljkovic, Brind A'mour's contract negotiations seemed contentious as well. Canes board has their head in the sand over this but it looks like it permeates the organization from the top down, and it's going to hurt the on ice product sooner or later.
 
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