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Devils 2021 offseason (news, notes and speculation) - part IV

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Also not to sound sarcastic but.. people realize cap dollars come off when the contract ends, right?

and were not going to be contenders for at least another three seasons if not more, right?

then what is anyone scared about when it comes to signing/trading for player(s) to a 1-4 year contract? It would end as soon as we start contending, and would also greatly improve the team in the now and help prospects flourish.

Not spending now because were going to spend in five years when were contenders really doesnt even cross my mind as logical. Who are we even signing thats worth a 5+ year deal? And then on top of that, if we are signing a deal that big, it means it was a huge upgrade for us

Its almost like the Devils fan base has this, from what ive noticed, PTSD of spending cap dollars and trading for roster talent; like as if we just went through a botched rebuild or something. Youd never know this was year seven of our rebuild.
 
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Agreed, a 1st rounder for Dunn is absurd.
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Dunn is intriguing but agree that it wouldn't be for a first round pick.

Would be interested in some type of trade with the Blues but not sure what current or future Devils would be of interest to St. Louis.

In terms of prospect defensemen, think Walman or Perunovich are worth a look and if there a way to get either Schwartz, Schenn and/or Kyle Clifford they would provide the veteran presence necessary to supplement the younger core group.
 
Nico Hughes said:
Im arguing against the fact that we have, for the better part of a decade now, had absolutely no outside talent worth noting signed to a deal (besides PK but he was washed). Palmieri was our last genuine pickup. That was in.. 2014? 2015?

Were now going to be under the cap floor even after signing RFAs. This year is the perfect year to start investing in a player or two each season, because if you dont spread out contracts than youre going to have major issues moving cap space later on when were contenders.
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oh, i misunderstood. my fault. yeah that i agree with...the problem is UFA's are way overpriced, so the only way to do it in a fiscally responsible way is via trade. so who are we shipping out? putting aside the untouchable list, guys with the most value are wood...zacha...severson...after that there's a pretty big dropoff. which isn't the worst thing. if we have a ton of guys who are untouchable, that means we're doing something right.

we'll sign a goalie this year, we could pick up some filler in a tatar-esque player at a reasonable price for 1-2 years and draft a future top pairing defenseman- assuming hamilton doesn't sign here. that would be a pretty damn good offseason IMO.
 
Nico Hughes said:
So you act like signing any UFA to more than a three year deal is bad
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I'll evaluate on a case by case basis but for this organization, where they are at? Yes, for most contracts, that would be true.

Please entertain me and let me know how on Earth wed spend to the cap in 4-5 seasons? Since you dont want a UFA signed past that, you must have those dillars allocated somewhere else
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It's not just about dollars. It's about having spots for people on the roster. Dead weight contracts don't just impact the salary cap, they impact personnel decisions within the organization. It's very easy to say 'Oh, you can just send that guy to the minors', or whatever, but that's generally not the way you want to be doing things. The Devils also don't want to be putting any more buyouts on their cap, they already have Schneider for another 3 seasons.

I love talking to people who act like they hve a crystal ball; enlighten me
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The Devils will probably not be up at the cap in 3 years, but they could be, and they should be planning for that eventuality, not throwing away money on bad deals. They want those spots open for better deals when the roster is closer to set and they know what they need.
 
@Triumph feel free to respond here with any sort of meaningful example on how youd like to improve the team without:

(your own rules)
- trading any 1sts or 2nds
- signing UFAs past three years (unless 27 or 28

What I wont do is get myself aggravated by someone claiming I cant read but simultaneously offering no suggestions on why their way of thinking is so much better.

If youre going to not only bring attitude but then just pass your opinion around like its gold, without any examples; then Ill just leave you to your own thoughts
 
Triumph said:
I'll evaluate on a case by case basis but for this organization, where they are at? Yes, for most contracts, that would be true.



It's not just about dollars. It's about having spots for people on the roster. Dead weight contracts don't just impact the salary cap, they impact personnel decisions within the organization. It's very easy to say 'Oh, you can just send that guy to the minors', or whatever, but that's generally not the way you want to be doing things. The Devils also don't want to be putting any more buyouts on their cap, they already have Schneider for another 3 seasons.



The Devils will probably not be up at the cap in 3 years, but they could be, and they should be planning for that eventuality, not throwing away money on bad deals. They want those spots open for better deals when the roster is closer to set and they know what they need.
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The Devils being a cap team in three years has as much of a chance of happening as me making the NHL at 28.

Is that why people are afraid to spend; because they think all our prospects are going to hit these magical ceilings and we will become contenders on an almost entirely homegrown roster?

I get when teams are rebuilding its nice to picture rosters full of your prospects at their ceilings, but thats so far from reality that I cant imagine Fitzgerald and co feel the same
 
AfroThunder396 said:
The only player in this UFA class I would give more than 3 years to is Dougie Hamilton.
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Landeskog? RNH? Hyman? Danault? Schwartz? Saad? Coleman? Granlund? Savard? Larsson? Montour? Oleksiak? Miller?

I dont type that to seem demeaning, I just think people expect way too much from our possible additions but then if theyre not a 1st liner/pair, say no thanks
 
Hi guys! Long time lurker and finally decided to make the jump.

Here’s my dream off-season. I would look to add a legit backup (Jake Allen) and make a very, very strong push for someone like Tkatchuk. Having Tkatchuk alongside Hughes for a decade would be franchise altering IMO. As for our defence, it’s Hamilton or bust.

This is a very important off-season for us and I hope we don’t stay in neutral, hoping for Nico and Jack to elevate their game without the proper help, that’s not something I’m on board with.
 
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NJ is mentioned 5x on TFP's trade watch list. Thoughts on the potential of any of these guys in NJ?:

- Oliver Ekman-Larsson (BOS, VAN, SEA, NJ, NYR)
- Vladimir Tarasenko (CGY, VGK, CAR, BOS, NYI, PHI, EDM, NJ)
- Johnny Gaudreau (PHI, BOS, STL, NJ)
- Conor Garland (BOS, TOR, EDM, FLA, LA, NJ, SEA)
- Tyler Bertuzzi (PHI, LA, TOR, VAN, STL, BOS, NJ, MTL)

TFP also had NJ (along with LA, TOR, and CGY) interested in Arvidsson before he was dealt to LA.
 
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Nico Hughes said:
Im arguing against the fact that we have, for the better part of a decade now, had absolutely no outside talent worth noting signed to a deal (besides PK but he was washed). Palmieri was our last genuine pickup. That was in.. 2014? 2015?
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Since the Palms trade, we traded for Taylor Hall, Mirco Mueller, Goose and Marjo. We've made moves similar to the Palmieri move, they just haven't worked. But we certainly tried multiple times to replicate that bit of lightning in a bottle.
 
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Forge said:
Since the Palms trade, we traded for Taylor Hall, Mirco Mueller, Goose and Marjo. We've made moves similar to the Palmieri move, they just haven't worked. But we certainly tried multiple times to replicate that bit of lightning in a bottle.
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Im a bit embarrassed to admit I forgot Hall lmfao

Also a good example of why Id like to start targeting proven talents
 
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Nico Hughes said:
Landeskog? RNH? Hyman? Danault? Schwartz? Saad? Coleman? Granlund? Savard? Larsson? Montour? Oleksiak? Miller?
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Landeskog I might consider, but I don't think he's going to actually make it to UFA and even then I'd give him no more than 5 years.

Some of the other players on that list I'd be interested in if they agreed to a short term deal but I wouldn't offer any of them 4 years or more. Others I have absolutely no interest in (Hyman, Oleksiak, Montour).
 
Personally, and I mentioned this last year when this discussion came up, I'm not big on trying to make a big splash in free agency. I think (arbitrary number alert!) 80% of the time, it's an inefficient investment that ends up poor in terms of the long term investments. Obviously, it's a necessary evil. But the amount of times I think that the buyer gets what they think they are getting is pretty low. There are simply a limited number of times where I feel comfortable shelling out big time in free agency.

I like free agency to round out rosters, plug holes, etc. Most often, I'm looking at middle six types, specific role players, buy low guys, etc.

I have no problems making trades for studs like Timo and Fiala, I just don't think that Fitz believes that we are in a position to make that type of move with the assets that it would require, which is why I think he's still more or less in build organically mode. I mean, I'd be kicking tires on just about anyone who is young enough to slot in with this roster long term in a potential trade, but I don't know that Fitz is wrong in looking at if from a perspective of those he can get only get at a discount. Hard to say. Cost means *a lot*

I mean people are talking about Tarasenko, and if we are going to acquire him for some pretty basic assets, I'm in. But look at the deals being floated around on the Athletic. They are comping his trade package to Patches and Jacob Trouba (which, btw, is ridiculous, but I digress). So their trade offers include guys like the Islanders moving Noah Dobson. I mean, if that is the market we are swimming in, we are better off staying away. And that's for a guy with a big cap hit, injury concerns, etc. What's the ask on Fiala and Timo? I definitely get how Fitz wouldn't believe that we are there yet.
 
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Forge said:
Personally, and I mentioned this last year when this discussion came up, I'm not big on trying to make a big splash in free agency. I think (arbitrary number alert!) 80% of the time, it's an inefficient investment that ends up poor in terms of the long term investments. Obviously, it's a necessary evil. But the amount of times I think that the buyer gets what they think they are getting is pretty low. There are simply a limited number of times where I feel comfortable shelling out big time in free agency.

I like free agency to round out rosters, plug holes, etc. Most often, I'm looking at middle six types, specific role players, buy low guys, etc.

I have no problems making trades for studs like Timo and Fiala, I just don't think that Fitz believes that we are in a position to make that type of move with the assets that it would require, which is why I think he's still more or less in build organically mode. I mean, I'd be kicking tires on just about anyone who is young enough to slot in with this roster long term in a potential trade, but I don't know that Fitz is wrong in looking at if from a perspective of those he can get only get at a discount. Hard to say. Cost means *a lot*

I mean people are talking about Tarasenko, and if we are going to acquire him for some pretty basic assets, I'm in. But look at the deals being floated around on the Athletic. They are comping his trade package to Patches and Jacob Trouba (which, btw, is ridiculous, but I digress). So their trade offers include guys like the Islanders moving Noah Dobson. I mean, if that is the market we are swimming in, we are better off staying away. And that's for a guy with a big cap hit, injury concerns, etc. What's the ask on Fiala and Timo? I definitely get how Fitz wouldn't believe that we are there yet.
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Signing, just as an example, a Saad or Miller for five years isnt going to be 'great' value but the deal would also end before we ever enter cap trouble.

Its not just 'spending to spend' but moreso spending while we can.

Id like to see us sign a single player from UFA or from trade a 4-5 year deal; our only contracts past three years are Nico and... thats it lol
 
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