Proposal: detroits 2025 1st for a 2024 1st

[Joseph Nathan]

Yup, try and pull off the same kind of deals Montreal did for Newhook and Dach, and hope things work out.

Tomasino, Holtz, Zegras, Rossi, Lundell, Holloway, Necas, Kakko, Krebs... so many options at just about every price point.

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Alternately, I could see Montreal moving Winnipeg's 1st (26th overall) for a chance at a better pick next year.

Winnipeg's 1st in 2024 for Detroit's 1st in 2025, top-5 protected. If it's a non-top 5 pick but still in the top 10, Detroit also gets Pittsburgh's 2nd in 2025. Otherwise it's 1 for 1.

lol dude Florida isn’t trading Lundell. Apparently Rossi has been taken off the market

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

i want to get out of rebuild mode and towards competing sooner concerning prospects arriving (not interested in adding ufa to compete sooner) , thusly wanting the 2025 1st traded for a 2024 . so wondering if theres a fit , and at what position in this 1st round would pick be at ?

I want to get out of rebuild mode by trading futures for futures. This is dumb, so no.

 

[pth2]

lol dude Florida isn’t trading Lundell. Apparently Rossi has been taken off the market

Meh, I figure Florida is going to have a cap crunch real soon, and Lundell is one of the ways to alleviate the pressure.

Maybe I'm wrong, and really, we can't know from the outside.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

Meh, I figure Florida is going to have a cap crunch real soon, and Lundell is one of the ways to alleviate the pressure.

Maybe I'm wrong, and really, we can't know from the outside.

Lundell has been a stud and still on rookie deal and will be cheap. A championship team and contender isn’t letting a really good young C like him go

 

[Holden Caufield]

I want to get out of rebuild mode by trading futures for futures. This is dumb, so no.

In a way, this trade would do exactly that.
It would light a fire like no other to actually win next year if we don’t even have a 2025 pick to fall back on.

That said I don’t trust this brass will be able to get it done next season. No way I want to take this gamble.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

If you want out of rebuild mode and you are looking to trade firsts, trading for picks in a bad draft isn't the way. Buy out Husso and drop a first for a goalie. That alone gets you into the playoffs. Detroit's goaltending cost them at least 10 points in the standings this season.

Detroit looked like a team that no one wanted to see in the first round in early March. Then Lyon shit the bed and the rest of the team followed. If the team had a real starter and gave Lyon the appropriate workload they'd look a lot better.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

In a way, this trade would do exactly that.
It would light a fire like no other to actually win next year if we don’t even have a 2025 pick to fall back on.

That said I don’t trust this brass will be able to get it done next season. No way I want to take this gamble.

But it wouldn't. The players aren't going to play harder because they know they don't have a rookie coming in the first round next year.

And the Wings are more likely to be focused on developing the burgeoning AHL roster who is on the verge of the league right now rather than add another rookie into the pot in 2024.

This accomplishes nothing but overvaluing draft picks and pissing away the insurance that the team is better constructed but takes a step back because they shift to a bunch of rookies like Johansson, Edvinsson, and Kasper for bigger roles.

Hell, I'd sooner trade the '24 pick (15OA) to try to get help right now if I'm really gung-ho on "getting out of rebuild mode."

'24 is a bad draft. I have no idea about '25, because I don't follow the draft, but people I trust on here are saying how '24 is basically Celebrini and a couple other guys and it's a whole lot of nothing when you get beyond like pick 8 to 10.

 

[Henkka]

I'd say Zegras and Necas are there. I could've included Ehlers in my list, and he'd be in that "2 1sts" tier, too.

Not saying it's 2 first round picks straight up for those players and nothing more - trades a complicated, after all, but those could be the main assets in the deal.

Trade the both picks (2024 1st & 2025 1st) for Ehlers and Necas, and call it a day.

Ehlers - Larkin - Raymond
DeBrincat - Rasmussen - Necas
Fabbri - Compher - Berggren
Perron - Copp - Fischer
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(Kasper, Danielson, Mazur)

 

[norrisnick]

Trade the both picks (2024 1st & 2025 1st) for Ehlers and Necas, and call it a day.

Ehlers - Larkin - Raymond
DeBrincat - Rasmussen - Necas
Fabbri - Compher - Berggren
Perron - Copp - Fischer
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(Kasper, Danielson, Mazur)

1. Are Mo and Ray playing for free?
2. WTF is Ras doing in the middle there?

 

[norrisnick]

If you want out of rebuild mode and you are looking to trade firsts, trading for picks in a bad draft isn't the way. Buy out Husso and drop a first for a goalie. That alone gets you into the playoffs. Detroit's goaltending cost them at least 10 points in the standings this season.

Detroit looked like a team that no one wanted to see in the first round in early March. Then Lyon shit the bed and the rest of the team followed. If the team had a real starter and gave Lyon the appropriate workload they'd look a lot better.

Not running a 2nd pairing of Chiarot - Petry for most of the year would have netted 10+ points as well....

 

[Henkka]

1. Are Mo and Ray playing for free?
2. WTF is Ras doing in the middle there?

Oh, you once again with an idiotic comment.

I explained how the cap will work at Detroit board. 15.5M for Seider and Raymond together. Not for "free".

Ras is in the middle, last career try at Center spot. They tried it also at last season for a short stint. If it won't work, we slide him back to wing and insert Kasper or Danielson in the middle year after.

There's only solutions, not problems.

 

[norrisnick]

Oh, you once again with an idiotic comment.

I explained how the cap will work at Detroit board. 15.5M for Seider and Raymond together. Not for "free".

Ras is in the middle, last career try at Center spot. They tried it also at last season for a short stint. If it won't work, we slide him back to wing and insert Kasper or Danielson in the middle year after.

There's only solutions, not problems.

Yeah, it's not surprising that you left the trainwreck of a d corp and the trades needed to acquire the forwards off the mains....

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Not running a 2nd pairing of Chiarot - Petry for most of the year would have netted 10+ points as well....

Fix the easiest problems first and move onto the next. Petry falls off after this year and hopefully we dump Holl.

 

[norrisnick]

Fix the easiest problems first and move onto the next. Petry falls off after this year and hopefully we dump Holl.

Which is a hilarious thing to say because that could have been "fixed" all of last season without any trades/signings whatsoever. One of the key "fixes" has nothing to do with the players available.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Which is a hilarious thing to say because that could have been "fixed" all of last season without any trades/signings whatsoever. One of the key "fixes" has nothing to do with the players available.

I mean, we are discussing ways to improve the team in light of all established evidence that indicates Yzerman has no intent to really compete last year, this year, or next year. It's all hypothetical.

 

[Petes2424]

Don’t be surprised if they trade this year’s pick.

 

[SoupNazi]

Don’t be surprised if they trade this year’s pick.

Depending on the return, I wouldn't hate trading it to get now, knowing that whoever is drafted at 15 is at least a couple years away.

 

[McJedi]

i want to get out of rebuild mode and towards competing sooner concerning prospects arriving (not interested in adding ufa to compete sooner) , thusly wanting the 2025 1st traded for a 2024 . so wondering if theres a fit , and at what position in this 1st round would pick be at ?

I’d trade the Avs pick at 24th overall for Deroits 2025 1st (top 5 protected) + a 2024 3rd.

 

[wings95]

Don’t be surprised if they trade this year’s pick.

Would it be for a few more picks or an player that fits their time window?

 

[nbwingsfan]

i want to get out of rebuild mode and towards competing sooner concerning prospects arriving (not interested in adding ufa to compete sooner) , thusly wanting the 2025 1st traded for a 2024 . so wondering if theres a fit , and at what position in this 1st round would pick be at ?

Unless there’s a solid young current or future #2C or #4D I don’t want that moved

 

[lilidk]

Combine later picks and get extra early second. After first 20 till mid second planty guys I like and could be steal of the draft.
2015 is going to be much better draft than this one , better keep pick , unless you trade for very good player

 

[HuGort]

i want to get out of rebuild mode and towards competing sooner concerning prospects arriving (not interested in adding ufa to compete sooner) , thusly wanting the 2025 1st traded for a 2024 . so wondering if theres a fit , and at what position in this 1st round would pick be at ?

You want it protected