Detroit Redwings Downfall

[KillerMillerTime]

Thanks captain hindsight. Can you do me a favor and read me last week's lottery numbers too?

Do you truly believe the Wings were one Brandon Carlo away from making a huge splash in the playoffs? Maybe a Scott Laughton? Kuzmenko?

Kick rocks. All that would've done is made sure the Wings were out a first round pick (and possibly more) after being destroyed in 4 games by the Capitals, and more than likely letting Carlo walk in free agency.

Walman clearly did something to upset management, which is why he was traded WITH a pick for nothing at all. Sending a message that if you f*** up or f*** around in that locker room, you will be shipped out and made to look like an asshole to boot.


Oh, you're a Bruins fan. Sorry about that, welcome to the beginning of your guys rebuild! Where's the "Boston Bruins downfall" thread?

Lol, you keep telling yourself what SY did with Walman is A OK for a GM to do.
Do I need to remind you what Walman got for SJ and the role he is playing for a Cup
Contender? How pathetic can you get? He threw away a top 4 Dman, lol p, l I'm sure Walman is pissed he isn't in Detroit...lol.

Nice straw man argument on Carlo...lol. Damn straight he could have helped the Wings D Corp last year and next year. Exactly what they need on RD with either ASP or
Edvinnson.

As far as the Boston "rebuild" they have a true #1RD (McAvoy, top 12D), a top 10 F
in Pastrnak and a good young G in Swayman. You can expect Marchand back, a 2nd line Forward from FA, a trade involving the #7 to net another 2nd line or very good
3rd line Forward. If H. Lindholm returns to the D Corp plus E. Lindholm starting the year
healthy they will be better than the Wings next year, for certain.

Don't give me garbage about relying on a 39 year old Talbot or Jekyll \Hyde Brazen either.

Red Wings, 9 straight DNQ's, what a franchise...lol.

 

[FissionFire]

He will be somewhere in between Q. Hughes and Fox as a D man in the NHL, which means he will be a top 7 NHL D man sometime during the 2027-28 season.

I don't know about you, but being in the top 7 of roughly 200 players at your position
is elite.

You realize Housley and Coffey are HOF D-Men right?

I was using well-known players and comparing their defensive skills. Pretty sure we can all agree than neither Coffey nor Housley would be in the HHOF based on their defensive play.

 

[FissionFire]

He played half of the season that just ended as a 20 years old rookie and had elite numbers after the 4 nation break. What are you about?

Elite defensive numbers or offensive? I haven’t seen a breakdown from that time period but would be happy to be educated. Can you link me to them please?

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Lol, you keep telling yourself what SY did with Walman is A OK for a GM to do.
Do I need to remind you what Walman got for SJ and the role he is playing for a Cup
Contender? How pathetic can you get? He threw away a top 4 Dman, lol p, l I'm sure Walman is pissed he isn't in Detroit...lol.

Nice straw man argument on Carlo...lol. Damn straight he could have helped the Wings D Corp last year and next year. Exactly what they need on RD with either ASP or
Edvinnson.

As far as the Boston "rebuild" they have a true #1RD (McAvoy, top 12D), a top 10 F
in Pastrnak and a good young G in Swayman. You can expect Marchand back, a 2nd line Forward from FA, a trade involving the #7 to net another 2nd line or very good
3rd line Forward. If H. Lindholm returns to the D Corp plus E. Lindholm starting the year
healthy they will be better than the Wings next year, for certain.

Don't give me garbage about relying on a 39 year old Talbot or Jekyll \Hyde Brazen either.

Red Wings, 9 straight DNQ's, what a franchise...lol.

It sends a message to the entire team. If you f*** up, you're gone. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. Good for Walman. I guarantee Oil fans sour on him 40 games into next season for the one dimensional dman he really is. He was carried by Seider during his tenure in Detroit.

The only teams who would be willing to send a 1st for someone like Carlo are perennial Cup contenders, like Toronto. Where you're guaranteed that pick will at least be in the 20's.

If you really believe the B's are finishing anything higher than 6th in the Atlantic next season, I have some bad news for you. No amount of McAvoy and Pasta can fix that. Welcome to the rebuild brother.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

If Kasper can develop into a 2C and produce around 60–70 pts, you need another top player, and that offence doesn't look half bad if you replace Tarasenko with a 60-70 pts winger. It would be average around 15-16 instead of 22th. A lot of pieces can fill the bottom 6 with Rasmussen, Copp and Compher. Danielson and MNB should be top 9 players coming in the next two to three years. Substracting at least two of Holl, Petry and Chiarot by competent defencemen would make a world of difference. ASP and Wallinder should get and make a great top 4 with Edvinsson and Seider. The window should open for DET in the next two years to be a competitive team and last as long as Larkin stay healthy and productive. They will be a playoff team but to get to contender status i feel like they need another star either in net or on offence. I think the D will be top 5-10 at some point in the next few years though.

If Kasper turns into a 60-70+ point guy then Detroit has 4 of them with Larkin, Raymond and DeBrincat. How many teams have that? Very few when you look around the league.

There’s a definite need at top 6 LW. But the biggest need is better than replacement level depth. A 3rd line that can potentially score 45-55 goals. Another defenseman that can score 10+. And better than average goaltending.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Elite defensive numbers or offensive? I haven’t seen a breakdown from that time period but would be happy to be educated. Can you link me to them please?

He was scoring at about a 55ish point pace when he was given real linemates. That would have been top 5 in rookie scoring while providing an elite defensive impact.

His defensive numbers were looking exceptional. High retrieval success rates, high rate of zone exit carries with very low failure rates, and high rate of zone exits. His numbers were up there with some of the very best players in the league at tilting the ice like Kiril Marchenko and Mitch Marner. 52% xG share, 56% goal share.

I think Kasper at worst becomes what Eriksson-Ekk is today. It’s possible he becomes better than Larkin. He’s already better defensively.

 

[norrisnick]

He was scoring at about a 55ish point pace when he was given real linemates. That would have been top 5 in rookie scoring while providing an elite defensive impact.

His defensive numbers were looking exceptional. High retrieval success rates, high rate of zone exit carries with very low failure rates, and high rate of zone exits. His numbers were up there with some of the very best players in the league at tilting the ice like Kiril Marchenko and Mitch Marner. 52% xG share, 56% goal share.

I think Kasper at worst becomes what Eriksson-Ekk is today. It’s possible he becomes better than Larkin. He’s already better defensively.

Now do Hutson. That's who that post was talking about.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

It sends a message to the entire team. If you f*** up, you're gone. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. Good for Walman. I guarantee Oil fans sour on him 40 games into next season for the one dimensional dman he really is. He was carried by Seider during his tenure in Detroit.

The only teams who would be willing to send a 1st for someone like Carlo are perennial Cup contenders, like Toronto. Where you're guaranteed that pick will at least be in the 20's.

If you really believe the B's are finishing anything higher than 6th in the Atlantic next season, I have some bad news for you. No amount of McAvoy and Pasta can fix that. Welcome to the rebuild brother.

You have no clue what you're talking about "brother". Yzerman couldn't get Detroit into the PO 6 times when 50% of the NHL makes the PO...lol. Spare me he is building it the right way. How Cossa look in the AHL PO? He suckec

You goaltending sucks and will kill you again. Boston will retool and finish ahead of Detroit no doubt.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I was using well-known players and comparing their defensive skills. Pretty sure we can all agree than neither Coffey nor Housley would be in the HHOF based on their defensive play.

They are HOF Players which in those two cases IMO makes them elite.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

You have no clue what you're talking about "brother". Yzerman couldn't get Detroit into the PO 6 times when 50% of the NHL makes the PO...lol. Spare me he is building it the right way. How Cossa look in the AHL PO? He suckec

You defense sucks and will kill you again. Boston will retool and finish ahead of Detroit no doubt.

Fixed that for you brother

Agree to disagree, because you are the only person who seems to think Boston isn't headed into a full rebuild. And it's pretty delusional to assume Marchand would come back when it's well reported that he and Pastrnak dislike each other.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Fixed that for you brother

Agree to disagree, because you are the only person who seems to think Boston isn't headed into a full rebuild. And it's pretty delusional to assume Marchand would come back when it's well reported that he and Pastrnak dislike each other.

Lol, again you have no clue what our talking about. Marchand & Pastrnak are very close. As much as Larkin uber fuzzy were. That story had zero facts to it.

Bruins are re-tooling, they aren't rebuilding.

 

[FissionFire]

He was scoring at about a 55ish point pace when he was given real linemates. That would have been top 5 in rookie scoring while providing an elite defensive impact.

His defensive numbers were looking exceptional. High retrieval success rates, high rate of zone exit carries with very low failure rates, and high rate of zone exits. His numbers were up there with some of the very best players in the league at tilting the ice like Kiril Marchenko and Mitch Marner. 52% xG share, 56% goal share.

I think Kasper at worst becomes what Eriksson-Ekk is today. It’s possible he becomes better than Larkin. He’s already better defensively.

Are you talking about Hutson here? That’s what I was talking about.

 

[Fatass]

Are you talking about Hutson here? That’s what I was talking about.

I’m thinking the Wongs might have their Hutson in ASP. And, if they do, then they’re a playoff club next season.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Are you talking about Hutson here? That’s what I was talking about.

I quoted the wrong post. The one I meant to quote was about Kasper’s impact.

As for Hutson, he’s f***ing terrible defensively. Advanced analytics say that. So does the eye test.

 

[Fatass]

Why is this a Wings’ downfall. This is an excellent young core that is missing an elite 1D. ASP might be that missing piece. If not, then Yzermsn needs to find one.

 

[Lampedampe]

Kasper and Edvinsson makes me excited for next year, let's hope there's a new relevation aswell.

Gonna be very disappointed though if Holl, Chiarot and Gustafsson are starting opening night.

 

[Dotter]

Wings fans are hilarious. There are absolutely no excuses for not making the PO the last two years, other than SY pig headedness in not being willing to part ways with
a '26 1st round pick and a prospect to get a guy like Brandon Carlo (partially retained to boot...lol.) at this years deadline, not to mention his Tarasenko signing and Walman trade fiasco.

Dude said DRWs should have traded a 1st for "Brandon Carlo" with a straight face. LMAO
The time to go all in is now, Stevie!1!!11 - SY pig headedness LOL


Wings are a Carlo away from going to the finals. hilarious

 

[Pavels Dog]

Wings fans are hilarious. There are absolutely no excuses for not making the PO the last two years, other than SY pig headedness in not being willing to part ways with
a '26 1st round pick and a prospect to get a guy like Brandon Carlo (partially retained to boot...lol.) at this years deadline, not to mention his Tarasenko signing and Walman trade fiasco.

Nightmare scenario trade. There's being more aggressive, and there's being desperate.

I think Hutson and Demidov are superstars to be and I'd argue Suzuki is one. Nick's one of the top Centres in the league and the stats and metrics prove it.

The term superstar has absolutely no meaning if you think Hutson, Demidov or Suzuki are currently anywhere close.

Lol, you keep telling yourself what SY did with Walman is A OK for a GM to do.
Do I need to remind you what Walman got for SJ and the role he is playing for a Cup
Contender? How pathetic can you get? He threw away a top 4 Dman, lol p, l I'm sure Walman is pissed he isn't in Detroit...lol.

Without knowing the full story I'm not sure why it's worth obsessing over.

 

[Henkka]

Why is this a Wings’ downfall. This is an excellent young core that is missing an elite 1D. ASP might be that missing piece. If not, then Yzermsn needs to find one.

Downfall happened at 2016, when Datsyuk bolted to KHL.

 

[Dotter]

I'm sure if you deep Google search it you'll find the info. Anywho the story is basically that Yzerman was very clique-ish and once made fun of Larry Murphy within earshot whilst Murph was holding court with the press. He called him out on it and that Stevie better give him some respect angrily in front of reporters. I guess it was easy for Yzerman to crap on lessers but to Murphy, future Hall-of-Famer Larry Murphy? He wasn't going to take it. And Stevie Y didn't reply, not even a peep.

There is no publicly documented evidence or credible reports confirming that Steve Yzerman made fun of Larry Murphy within earshot of reporters, leading to a confrontation where Murphy demanded respect. While anecdotal accounts and rumors may exist in fan forums or informal discussions, such an incident has not been substantiated by reputable sources.

Steve Yzerman is widely recognized for his leadership and professionalism during his tenure with the Detroit Red Wings. Similarly, Larry Murphy is respected for his contributions to the team and his subsequent broadcasting career. No credible reports suggest significant public conflicts between the two during their time with the organization.