Detroit Redwings Downfall

[RedHawkDown]

Less the positional whatever of Hutson, but Montreal pulling out a stud from the 2nd round. Detroit has puled.... Albert Johansson and people are giving it a round of applause for having a guy on the roster. Bunt singles from late picks don't do much, need a homerun or multiple doubles.

This I agree with. Hoping Buchelnikov and Augustine can be those guys.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

Dvorak, Anderson, Gallagher, Matheson and Carrier on the Wings instead of Compher, Rasmussen, Tarasenko, Petry, Holl and we are in the playoffs. Kasper, Raymond, Seider, Edvinsson, Debrincat, Larkin is just as good a young core as Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Hutson, Laine. For the thousandth time, the kids aren’t the issue in Detroit. Quite literally everything else is.

How many thousand trade proposals were refused and laughed off the face of the earth to trade one of those vets that make the difference for the Habs in your mind?

They are playing well at the moment, but it's crazy to use them as the reason we are doing better than Detroit

 

[RedHawkDown]

How many thousand trade proposals were refused and laughed off the face of the earth to trade one of those vets that make the difference for the Habs in your mind?

They are playing well at the moment, but it's crazy to use them as the reason we are doing better than Detroit

They are the reason lol. I didn’t say anything about trade proposals so I’m not sure how it’s relevant. The Habs depth is 100x better than Detroits depth and that’s why Detroit is worse. There’s a reason Moritz Seider has to play the hardest minutes in the entire league and Edvinsson is top 10, and it’s not because Jeff Perry is a competent NHL defenseman.

Yzermans issue is league worst pro scouting. Not amateur scouting. Full stop.

 

[FMichael]

Larkin hasn't been the team's best player for at least 2 seasons. Maybe 3.


Chiarot is miscast on the top pairing but he's not that bad.


Could absolutely see Toronto getting weaker (losing Marner/Tavares etc). Ottawa/Montreal regression is also fully in the cards.
But bottom line is Detroit needs to focus on getting better and worry about the division later. If they miss the playoffs because they're a 95 point team in a division that has 5 other teams >95 points, so be it.

Who’s better than Larkin?

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

Yzermans issue is league worst pro scouting. Not amateur scouting. Full stop.

He needs to get rid of his buddies (and brother) who run Detroit's pro-scouting department.

Whichever one of them who actually convinced him that signing Justin Holl for three years and intentionally paying him millions of dollars to play hockey for the Red Wings should be launched out of a cannon into the Detroit river.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

But he was dealt with a shitty hand to start

That was 2019. We're already almost halfway through 2025.

The "blame Ken Holland' stuff is no longer valid.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

That was 2019. We're already almost halfway through 2025.

The "blame Ken Holland' stuff is no longer valid.

That doesn't change the fact he was dealt a shitty hand to start... Not to mention - Holland nor Yzerman - have never moved up in the draft and instead the team has dropped 3 spots multiple times. That's another fact, and it dogpiles onto the shitty hand to start with

I think you fail to realize how many franchises sucked ass since the salary cap era with arguably greater fortune when it comes to the draft lottery year after year

Toronto, Edmonton, New Jersey, Colorado, Florida, Arizona, Buffalo, Carolina, Columbus, and Winnipeg/Atlanta have all been laughably garbage for extended periods of time and drafted with top 3 picks. Vancouver having had a top 5 pick

You're just caught up in a made-up narrative that a rebuild has to have a certain timeline attached to it to deem it unsuccessful or successful

 

[RedHawkDown]

Who’s better than Larkin?

Easily Raymond and Seider. I'm not sure how you can watch our games and not come to that conclusion. Raymond has outscored him for 2 seasons now and this year by a lot. It's not even close between the two. Seider has been overall the team's most important player basically since he stepped on the ice and the only reason they aren't dead last in GA every year.

 

[theanomaly]

I think you fail to realize how many franchises sucked ass since the salary cap era with arguably greater fortune when it comes to the draft lottery year after year

Toronto, Edmonton, New Jersey, Colorado, Florida, Arizona, Buffalo, Carolina, Columbus, and Winnipeg/Atlanta have all been laughably garbage for extended periods of time and drafted with top 3 picks. Vancouver having had a top 5 pick

You're just caught up in a made-up narrative that a rebuild has to have a certain timeline attached to it to deem it unsuccessful or successful

completely agreed on this. perhaps some copium thinking from me here

with the parity now it seems more and more whoever the great teams are, just happened to be the ones to catch lightning in a bottle. until the cap room dries up.

tastes a little bitter to me, but coin-flip like, if you will. can we get a win one of these times?

 

[Fatass]

Easily Raymond and Seider. I'm not sure how you can watch our games and not come to that conclusion. Raymond has outscored him for 2 seasons now and this year by a lot. It's not even close between the two. Seider has been overall the team's most important player basically since he stepped on the ice and the only reason they aren't dead last in GA every year.

Larkin plays the 1C role while getting hardest matchups. He puts up offence while going that. He’s imo a better player than Raymond. Seider is a very good younger D man. He’s playing a difficult role too. I’d still say Larkin is the better player though.
If we’re talking trade value then Seider is worth more because of his age, success so far, position, and development curve.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Larkin plays the 1C role while getting hardest matchups. He puts up offence while going that. He’s imo a better player than Raymond. Seider is a very good younger D man. He’s playing a difficult role too. I’d still say Larkin is the better player though.
If we’re talking trade value then Seider is worth more because of his age, success so far, position, and development curve.

Raymond and Larkin are on the same line and have almost identical QoC rel CF%. Raymond outscores him in the same deployment and drives the line. In my view, playing C is not enough to overcome the difference in game impact and scoring.

When Raymond briefly played with Kasper instead of Larkin, his scoring went up and Larkin's went down.

 

[Fatass]

Raymond and Larkin are on the same line and have almost identical QoC rel CF%. Raymond outscores him in the same deployment and drives the line. In my view, playing C is not enough to overcome the difference in game impact and scoring.

When Raymond briefly played with Kasper instead of Larkin, his scoring went up and Larkin's went down.

Larkin plays centre. He’s in the harder role defensively. Imo he’s a better player, because he is playing the role of 1C and doing a good job both offensively and defensively, than Raymond. Take Larkin out of that Wings lineup and the hole would be huge. I think Yzerman needs to add another high end centre to help Larkin with all those tough minutes. They need an elite puck moving offensively gifted D man (Hutson like) too.
If Yzermsn could get those two pieces the Wings would be playoffs for sure and likely go deep.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Larkin plays centre. He’s in the harder role defensively. Imo he’s a better player, because he is playing the role of 1C and doing a good job both offensively and defensively, than Raymond. Take Larkin out of that Wings lineup and the hole would be huge. I think Yzerman needs to add another high end centre to help Larkin with all those tough minutes. They need an elite puck moving offensively gifted D man (Hutson like) too.
If Yzermsn could get those two pieces the Wings would be playoffs for sure and likely go deep.

If you actually watch Detroit I think you'd quickly see that Larkin's defensive play is not that great. He works hard but his defenisve IQ is average. Raymond is actually better in that department.

The real defensive stalwart in Detroit is Kasper. People are sleepign on him, and I was totally wrong about him. I can see him being better than Larkin as early as next season.

 

[Fledgemyhedge]

If you actually watch Detroit I think you'd quickly see that Larkin's defensive play is not that great. He works hard but his defenisve IQ is average. Raymond is actually better in that department.

The real defensive stalwart in Detroit is Kasper. People are sleepign on him, and I was totally wrong about him. I can see him being better than Larkin as early as next season.

What would need to happen for Larkin to become expendable? I know some wings fans would be interested in moving him but what would make it realistic? Would be interested as a Habs fan

 

[RedHawkDown]

What would need to happen for Larkin to become expendable? I know some wings fans would be interested in moving him but what would make it realistic? Would be interested as a Habs fan

There is just no point to such a trade unless we are getting someone that has similar potential to him that’s not a pure prospect. The Habs have nobody that would work. You’re not giving us Suzuki or Demidov for Larkin (obviously) and we have zero interest in trading him for a collection of Hage and picks.

The only possible trade partners for Larkin would be someone like Vancouver for Pettersson to see if he can recover his game in Detroit (big risk for Detroit), or for a younger player that hasn’t broken out yet (like Byfield).

IMO the better option is to give the C to Seider and give Larkin the A.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

That doesn't change the fact he was dealt a shitty hand to start... Not to mention - Holland nor Yzerman - have never moved up in the draft and instead the team has dropped 3 spots multiple times. That's another fact, and it dogpiles onto the shitty hand to start with

I think you fail to realize how many franchises sucked ass since the salary cap era with arguably greater fortune when it comes to the draft lottery year after year

Detroit's lottery luck has been abysmal and was borderline criminal in 2020. It's a good thing the Draft isn't the only way to accumulate NHL talent.

Toronto, Edmonton, New Jersey, Colorado, Florida, Arizona, Buffalo, Carolina, Columbus, and Winnipeg/Atlanta have all been laughably garbage for extended periods of time and drafted with top 3 picks. Vancouver having had a top 5 pick

And plenty of those teams had horrifically inept management. Yzerman arrived in Detroit with the reputation of being arguably the best GM in hockey.

You're just caught up in a made-up narrative that a rebuild has to have a certain timeline attached to it to deem it unsuccessful or successful

The only made up narratives come from the Yzerbots who repeat things like "Yzerman never won a Cup until he was 14 years into his career" or "It took time to win in Tampa Bay" as a way of excusing his failures while also not recognizing (or simply outright ignoring) that Yzerman had 100 games of playoff experience under his belt in 1997 and that the Lightning were in the playoffs every year of his tenure there aside from 2012 and the shortened 2012-13 campaign.

Yzerman was hired in Detroit to be special, not another run-of-the-mill GM. No, a proper rebuilt should not take longer than 6 years to yield a single playoff appearance. The fact that Detroit is entering Year 7 under Yzerman with no playoffs has proven that he was extremely overrated and isn't the wizard that most fans thought he was.

I don't care how long it took Carolina or Edmonton or Buffalo with their top picks. They're not Detroit and they weren't being run by the supposed best GM in hockey.

 

[Dotter]

Y’all Still Recycling Takes?​

I dipped outta this thread for 3 weeks 'cause it was making me dizzy—thought maybe, just maybe, something new would pop up.

Came back… and it’s like y’all hit copy-paste from Page 4 to Page 184. Same tired debates, same lukewarm takes, different page number.

DAMMMMMMMMMMMNNNN.

Does anyone here even log off, or is this just a 24/7 Groundhog Day simulator? Maybe step outside, touch some grass, look at the sun (carefully), and come back with something spicy. This thread’s been marinating in recycled sauce for too long.

Let’s get wild, throw a curveball—hell, someone suggest trading for McDavid just to shake things up.

This "hockeyfan" guy cracks me up! "Look, I have a link with someones hot take and opinion., don't challenge at me bro". Ha!

How long before the Yzerman worshippers say that these NHL executives "just don't know puck", their go-to response when anyone criticizes how slow things are moving for Detroit under him?

After another year of disappointment, where do the Red Wings go from here?

Have the Red Wings fallen behind the 8-ball after the success of their Atlantic Division rivals?

www.dailyfaceoff.com

They don't know puck!

one random? executive says:

So what went wrong with how Yzerman added to his group?

“(They) took the best available (options in trade and free agency) to speed things up – not (waiting for) the best fit,” one Eastern Conference executive told Daily Faceoff.

How in any reality is Ben Chiarot, Erik Gustafsson, Justin Holl, Jeff Petry "best available"? That's dumb and that executive is a real ree tard. If he said "best available" willing to accept short term contracts to not tie Yzerman's hands when they have the youth ready to compete, then sure. - which is sooner rather than later.

Another random? executive says:

“They have players coming but how impactful will they be is the real question,” a Western Conference executive told Daily Faceoff.

The same executive went on to say that he doesn’t believe that there is a true gamebreaker that Detroit has coming. Defenseman Axel Sandin-Pellikka is arguably the most sexy player the Red Wings have in their system, but the executive said he doesn’t believe that the 2023 first-round pick will be a top pair defenseman. Sebastien Cossa will likely be an NHL goaltender, but while he is “for real,” whether or not he pans out into a true no.1 is in question, according to the executive.

Sounds like this anonymous exec hasn’t done much homework on Detroit’s prospect pool beyond skimming a draft list.

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Gamebreakers Are Rare—Detroit’s Building Smart Depth + Upside​

Let’s be real for a second—true gamebreakers like McDavid, MacKinnon, or Matthews are a luxury only a handful of teams have. Most successful teams win by combining elite depth, smart drafting, and impact players, not just leaning on one superstar.

So this exec brushing off Detroit’s pipeline as lacking a “true gamebreaker” misses the point of what makes a Cup contender.

1. Detroit Has Depth AND Emerging Gamebreaking Talent:​

• Nate Danielson: A future top-6 center with the kind of two-way game that every playoff team leans on. Maybe not McDavid, but a solid center.
• Marco Kasper: NHL-ready grit + skill. The kind of player who changes games physically and chips in offensively—huge playoff impact potential.
• Dmitry Buchelnikov: Now here’s your wild card gamebreaker—electric in Russia, with a lethal shot and creative flair. Not just depth—this kid can take over games.
• Axel Sandin-Pellikka: Offensive defenseman with elite mobility. The top-pair debate? Too soon. But top-4 with PP1 upside? Absolutely.
• Trey Augustine + Cossa: One of the best young goalie duos in the system. Cossa’s already showing No. 1 potential, and Augustine is tracking fast.

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2. Gamebreakers Win Games, Depth Wins Cups:​

• Leafs have Matthews, Oilers have McDavid, Avs have MacKinnon—that’s it. Most teams don’t have that level and still contend.
• Detroit is building a deep, balanced roster with multiple top-line capable players and impact guys at every position.

​

Detroit might not have the flashiest name in the pipeline yet, but dismissing this group as “no gamebreakers” is just lazy. They’ve got high-end depth, a few players with serious upside, and the foundation of a team-first contender. And that’s how Cups are won—not just with highlight reels.​

Yzerman has built the Detroit Red Wings into a playoff team. Yzerman also failed the team by holding them back from making the playoffs -- both can be true.

Wings missed the playoffs by 3 wins. Lalonde should have fired immediately after that Western road trip 'fail' and brought in Todd McLellan quicker. Yzerman did not fire him when everyone was calling for him to be fired. That's on Yzerman! The question is did Lalonde have compromising pictures of Yzerman????

That being said, no question in my mind Wings earn 3 more wins. Also no question in my mind that DRWs would be get embarrassed as bad as Ottawa is right now.

Lets see what Yzerman doesn't after these stupid contracts fall off to see if my comment is correct: "sign short term contracts to not tie Yzerman's hands when they have the youth ready to compete".

 

[MXD]

Y’all Still Recycling Takes?​

I dipped outta this thread for 3 weeks 'cause it was making me dizzy—thought maybe, just maybe, something new would pop up.

Came back… and it’s like y’all hit copy-paste from Page 4 to Page 184. Same tired debates, same lukewarm takes, different page number.

DAMMMMMMMMMMMNNNN.

Does anyone here even log off, or is this just a 24/7 Groundhog Day simulator? Maybe step outside, touch some grass, look at the sun (carefully), and come back with something spicy. This thread’s been marinating in recycled sauce for too long.

Let’s get wild, throw a curveball—hell, someone suggest trading for McDavid just to shake things up.

This "hockeyfan" guy cracks me up! "Look, I have a link with someones hot take and opinion., don't challenge at me bro". Ha!




They don't know puck!

one random? executive says:



How in any reality is Ben Chiarot, Erik Gustafsson, Justin Holl, Jeff Petry "best available"? That's dumb and that executive is a real ree tard. If he said "best available" willing to accept short term contracts to not tie Yzerman's hands when they have the youth ready to compete, then sure. - which is sooner rather than later.

Another random? executive says:

​

Gamebreakers Are Rare—Detroit’s Building Smart Depth + Upside​

Let’s be real for a second—true gamebreakers like McDavid, MacKinnon, or Matthews are a luxury only a handful of teams have. Most successful teams win by combining elite depth, smart drafting, and impact players, not just leaning on one superstar.

So this exec brushing off Detroit’s pipeline as lacking a “true gamebreaker” misses the point of what makes a Cup contender.

1. Detroit Has Depth AND Emerging Gamebreaking Talent:​

• Nate Danielson: A future top-6 center with the kind of two-way game that every playoff team leans on. Maybe not McDavid, but a solid center.
• Marco Kasper: NHL-ready grit + skill. The kind of player who changes games physically and chips in offensively—huge playoff impact potential.
• Dmitry Buchelnikov: Now here’s your wild card gamebreaker—electric in Russia, with a lethal shot and creative flair. Not just depth—this kid can take over games.
• Axel Sandin-Pellikka: Offensive defenseman with elite mobility. The top-pair debate? Too soon. But top-4 with PP1 upside? Absolutely.
• Trey Augustine + Cossa: One of the best young goalie duos in the system. Cossa’s already showing No. 1 potential, and Augustine is tracking fast.

---

2. Gamebreakers Win Games, Depth Wins Cups:​

• Leafs have Matthews, Oilers have McDavid, Avs have MacKinnon—that’s it. Most teams don’t have that level and still contend.
• Detroit is building a deep, balanced roster with multiple top-line capable players and impact guys at every position.

​

Detroit might not have the flashiest name in the pipeline yet, but dismissing this group as “no gamebreakers” is just lazy. They’ve got high-end depth, a few players with serious upside, and the foundation of a team-first contender. And that’s how Cups are won—not just with highlight reels.​

Yzerman has built the Detroit Red Wings into a playoff team. Yzerman also failed the team by holding them back from making the playoffs -- both can be true.

Wings missed the playoffs by 3 wins. Lalonde should have fired immediately after that Western road trip 'fail' and brought in Todd McLellan quicker. Yzerman did not fire him when everyone was calling for him to be fired. That's on Yzerman! The question is did Lalonde have compromising pictures of Yzerman????

That being said, no question in my mind Wings earn 3 more wins. Also no question in my mind that DRWs would be get embarrassed as bad as Ottawa is right now.

Lets see what Yzerman doesn't after these stupid contracts fall off to see if my comment is correct: "sign short term contracts to not tie Yzerman's hands when they have the youth ready to compete".

TL;DR Version : Cope.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Larkin's days as a valuable trade asset are done. Soon to be 29 with a big contract. He's O'Reilly for the Sabres. He'd get a quantity of pieces, one might be good years later, and he'd go on to get to the Cup Final with his new team who didn't have to give up much in the deal.

 

[Dotter]

TL;DR Version : Cope.

Bro, you couldn't TL;DR a cereal box without Google Translate.

 

[Fatass]

Y’all Still Recycling Takes?​

I dipped outta this thread for 3 weeks 'cause it was making me dizzy—thought maybe, just maybe, something new would pop up.

Came back… and it’s like y’all hit copy-paste from Page 4 to Page 184. Same tired debates, same lukewarm takes, different page number.

DAMMMMMMMMMMMNNNN.

Does anyone here even log off, or is this just a 24/7 Groundhog Day simulator? Maybe step outside, touch some grass, look at the sun (carefully), and come back with something spicy. This thread’s been marinating in recycled sauce for too long.

Let’s get wild, throw a curveball—hell, someone suggest trading for McDavid just to shake things up.

This "hockeyfan" guy cracks me up! "Look, I have a link with someones hot take and opinion., don't challenge at me bro". Ha!




They don't know puck!

one random? executive says:



How in any reality is Ben Chiarot, Erik Gustafsson, Justin Holl, Jeff Petry "best available"? That's dumb and that executive is a real ree tard. If he said "best available" willing to accept short term contracts to not tie Yzerman's hands when they have the youth ready to compete, then sure. - which is sooner rather than later.

Another random? executive says:

​

Gamebreakers Are Rare—Detroit’s Building Smart Depth + Upside​

Let’s be real for a second—true gamebreakers like McDavid, MacKinnon, or Matthews are a luxury only a handful of teams have. Most successful teams win by combining elite depth, smart drafting, and impact players, not just leaning on one superstar.

So this exec brushing off Detroit’s pipeline as lacking a “true gamebreaker” misses the point of what makes a Cup contender.

1. Detroit Has Depth AND Emerging Gamebreaking Talent:​

• Nate Danielson: A future top-6 center with the kind of two-way game that every playoff team leans on. Maybe not McDavid, but a solid center.
• Marco Kasper: NHL-ready grit + skill. The kind of player who changes games physically and chips in offensively—huge playoff impact potential.
• Dmitry Buchelnikov: Now here’s your wild card gamebreaker—electric in Russia, with a lethal shot and creative flair. Not just depth—this kid can take over games.
• Axel Sandin-Pellikka: Offensive defenseman with elite mobility. The top-pair debate? Too soon. But top-4 with PP1 upside? Absolutely.
• Trey Augustine + Cossa: One of the best young goalie duos in the system. Cossa’s already showing No. 1 potential, and Augustine is tracking fast.

---

2. Gamebreakers Win Games, Depth Wins Cups:​

• Leafs have Matthews, Oilers have McDavid, Avs have MacKinnon—that’s it. Most teams don’t have that level and still contend.
• Detroit is building a deep, balanced roster with multiple top-line capable players and impact guys at every position.

​

Detroit might not have the flashiest name in the pipeline yet, but dismissing this group as “no gamebreakers” is just lazy. They’ve got high-end depth, a few players with serious upside, and the foundation of a team-first contender. And that’s how Cups are won—not just with highlight reels.​

Yzerman has built the Detroit Red Wings into a playoff team. Yzerman also failed the team by holding them back from making the playoffs -- both can be true.

Wings missed the playoffs by 3 wins. Lalonde should have fired immediately after that Western road trip 'fail' and brought in Todd McLellan quicker. Yzerman did not fire him when everyone was calling for him to be fired. That's on Yzerman! The question is did Lalonde have compromising pictures of Yzerman????

That being said, no question in my mind Wings earn 3 more wins. Also no question in my mind that DRWs would be get embarrassed as bad as Ottawa is right now.

Lets see what Yzerman doesn't after these stupid contracts fall off to see if my comment is correct: "sign short term contracts to not tie Yzerman's hands when they have the youth ready to compete".

You make some good points. But imo Yzermsn has failed to get elite players in two key roles: 1 (scoring) and 1 (scoring) D
The counter argument is that Larkin and Seider do play 1C and 1D. And they’re great. My argument is those are two very good players, but they aren’t the elite level needed for the this Wings roster to get into the playoffs and be winning when there.

 

[FMichael]

Easily Raymond and Seider. I'm not sure how you can watch our games and not come to that conclusion. Raymond has outscored him for 2 seasons now and this year by a lot. It's not even close between the two. Seider has been overall the team's most important player basically since he stepped on the ice and the only reason they aren't dead last in GA every year.

Raymond and Seider will be more important/better a few years maybe, but certainly Larkin is our best player right now and has been these past handful plus seasons.

Larkin missed 14 games in last year's 2023/2024 season (68 games played and got 69 pts while Raymond played in all 82 games and put up 72 pts) and was injured at the 4 Nations and was certainly not himself and his production noticeably suffered...This idea of "Raymond has outscored him for 2 seasons now and this year by a lot. It's not even close between the two" is quite an interesting take you have...

 

[WarriorofTime]

Dotter faces a real Sophie's Choice. Either admit Yzerman completely whiffed on his goals from the free agent/trade standpoint or admit that it was Yzerman's actual plan to draft 15th and 12th for some reason.

 

[FMichael]

Larkin plays the 1C role while getting hardest matchups. He puts up offence while going that. He’s imo a better player than Raymond. Seider is a very good younger D man. He’s playing a difficult role too. I’d still say Larkin is the better player though.
If we’re talking trade value then Seider is worth more because of his age, success so far, position, and development curve.

Seider may very well become our most important (or best all around) player in a few seasons, but it remains Larkin for now (and has been for quite some time).

 

[Dotter]

You make some good points. But imo Yzermsn has failed to get elite players in two key roles: 1 (scoring) and 1 (scoring) D
The counter argument is that Larkin and Seider do play 1C and 1D. And they’re great. My argument is those are two very good players, but they aren’t the elite level needed for the this Wings roster to get into the playoffs and be winning when there.

The idea is ASP will be a goal scoring dman, but not a #1 dman. Seider is a 50 point guy. What will Edvinsson become? He has shown nice offensive upside. He could be used as a top pairing dman now. It's smarter to spread out the depth, especially when depth is lacking right now.

As for scoring winger.... If Yzerman lands Marner as a UFA will you say that need is met? Wings have the cap space.

Other options is trading. Yzerman has prospects and picks to trade probably in the right deal. Meantime, we can still be excited about Dmitry Buchelnikov.